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[Locutus_of_BORG]

Tali's Drone has a bad cooldown, so it's important not to overlook her AI Hacking and Energy Drain. Depending on your class and build, it could be better to max her other powers instead, as they're both potentially devasting. Also, she benefits greatly from having a GPS.

Overall I find Tali to be a more specialized squaddie than someone I'd want for general purposes. But she's very good in her specialty (anti-shield, anti-synthetic).

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 16 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[Lariscus Obscurus]

As a Sentinel I love taking tali with me since the techarmor resets the cooldown of her drone.
When playing any other class I would not recommend her, especially if you dont have the GPS.

[DeadLetterBox]

I like her for missions involving lots of synthetics. I'm really not good with her as a squadmate against organic enemies. A lot of people find a way to make her work out in a lot of different situations, though. I guess it depends on how well you take to her abilities. We all have our preferred tactics.

[Alamar2078]

I really like the Tali character but I only take her on missions for RP purposes. Against Geth you could make a strong arguement to bring her. Even then I usually don't go out of my way to take her .. YMMV.

Note: I find Tali somehow seems to get ganked a lot even though Shep is up front presenting a great target to shoot. This as much or more than anything else has cooled me to bringing her along.

Note: In ME1 I almost always brought her. She was my tech specialist. I would then bring Ash, Liara, Wrex, Garrus, etc. on a case-by-case basis depending on how I thought they would fit in.

[PrinceLionheart]

Tali is okay. Her biggest set back is she's definitely a late bloomer when it comes to her powers. A.I. hacking is situational at best and the drone, while useful, has an enormous cooldown. And, similar to Jack and Jacob, she's stuck with the Pistol/Shotgun loadout, which is no good unless you have the GPS.

That said, as previously mentioned, the Sentinel Glitch does wonders for her.

[ADLegend21]

With exploding drone she's great, other than that she's okay since she's only got a Shotgun and pistol. As a character I have tons of criticism about her.

[Antivenger]

I only recently found out the Geth Pulse Rifle has a charge feature. Can squaddies use it? The charge feature, I mean.

[Frostmourne86]

No, the charge feature of the Geth Plasma Shotgun is not available for squadmates.

[Frostmourne86]

Antivenger wrote...

I only recently found out the Geth Pulse Rifle has a charge feature. Can squaddies use it? The charge feature, I mean.

You mean the Plasma Shotgun, and no - the squadmembers can't use the charge feature.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I prefer the ME1 Tali. I thought she was more effective on the battlefield.

[Volus Warlord]

Engineer, Tali, Legion= Drone Spam

Although I'd choose Legion over Tali if I had to ditch one of them.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Clonedzero wrote...

honestly, i consider tali to be the worst squadmates.
in ME1 just about everyone is better than her. garrus or kaidan can cover any tech abilities you want and be useful in combat.

ME2, she's easily the worst squadmate. the drone doesnt really kill anything, it might distract a guy or two for a couple seconds but thats about it, think of it more as a crowd control distraction rather than a real attack. her weapon selection is horrible, shotguns dont work well on squaddies in general, and neither do heavy pistols.

but dont let her horrible performance stop you from using her. if oyu like her use her.

in my jack romancing playthrough i used jack most of the time even though she's kinda crappy too

Dude, did you ever have her use AI Hacking? In Mass Effect, that power is so masterfully broken, she can arguably claim to be the second best squadmate, beaten only by Liara, in terms of raw efficiency. Garrus is coincidently one of the worst since his arsenal lacks any of the game breakers. Only Ashley is inferior, having nothing excluding damage. Tali may have suspect defense but this negated by AI Hacking's enormous effectiveness.

Mass Effect 2, is indeed a different story. While the addition of protection sharply decreased AI Hacking's efficiency, it would have been sufficient had Geth been an active opposition. With their removal as a primary threat, Tali is completely situational. To make matters worse for her, AI Hacking is a negligible power. You certainly are welcome to use it, but there is almost always a better option. Combat Drone's cooldown is horrid, adding yet another situational power and Energy Drain suffers in a similar fashion, albeit has a use. When you consider Shotguns are the worst weapon for squadmates in the game or her low defense, Tali has absolutely no redeeming qualities mechanically. To rub salt in the wounds, due to the Incisor's glitch, Legion embarrassingly outclasses her.

Edit: Evidently, this is not including the Sentinel, which may bump her up. She is still not in the top tier in my opinion.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 17 mai 2011 - 04:06 .

[jwalker]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

honestly, i consider tali to be the worst squadmates.
in ME1 just about everyone is better than her. garrus or kaidan can cover any tech abilities you want and be useful in combat.

ME2, she's easily the worst squadmate. the drone doesnt really kill anything, it might distract a guy or two for a couple seconds but thats about it, think of it more as a crowd control distraction rather than a real attack. her weapon selection is horrible, shotguns dont work well on squaddies in general, and neither do heavy pistols.

but dont let her horrible performance stop you from using her. if oyu like her use her.

in my jack romancing playthrough i used jack most of the time even though she's kinda crappy too

Dude, did you ever have her use AI Hacking? In Mass Effect, that power is so masterfully broken, she can arguably claim to be the second best squadmate, beaten only by Liara, in terms of raw efficiency. Garrus is coincidently one of the worst since his arsenal lacks any of the game breakers. Only Ashley is inferior, having nothing excluding damage. Tali may have suspect defense but this negated by AI Hacking's enormous effectiveness.

Mass Effect 2, is indeed a different story. While the addition of protection sharply decreased AI Hacking's efficiency, it would have been sufficient had Geth been an active opposition. With their removal as a primary threat, Tali is completely situational. To make matters worse for her, AI Hacking is a negligible power. You certainly are welcome to use it, but there is almost always a better option. Combat Drone's cooldown is horrid, adding yet another situational power and Energy Drain suffers in a similar fashion, albeit has a use. When you consider Shotguns are the worst weapon for squadmates in the game or her low defense, Tali has absolutely no redeeming qualities mechanically. To rub salt in the wounds, due to the Incisor's glitch, Legion embarrassingly outclasses her.

Edit: Evidently, this is not including the Sentinel, which may bump her up. She is still not in the top tier in my opinion.

Honestly, I don't use her much in missions in ME2, but her AI hacking plus her passive with 25% duration bonus is actually a good option on the battlefield. There are a lot mechs throughout the game. And if you have the Firepower pack, she may not suck that much with the shotgun

[Bourne Endeavor]

jwalker wrote...

Honestly, I don't use her much in missions in ME2, but her AI hacking plus her passive with 25% duration bonus is actually a good option on the battlefield. There are a lot mechs throughout the game. And if you have the Firepower pack, she may not suck that much with the shotgun

One side mission
Both Tali-centric missions
Legion's loyalty
Protect Overload

Those are the only missions in the game involving Geth. I do not include LOKI mechs since they too weak to be of use on Insanity. YMIR Mechs are usually better to explode once their health is down in lieu of Hacking. So that strictly limits her to four missions she is not completely situational. The GPS is decent however it does not trump the rest.

Fortunately, the game is a cakewalk so we can use whoever we wish. In comparison to the others, Tali just has nothing that redeems her. Even Jacob and Jack have Pull.

Personally I rank the squad as...

Kasumi
Miranda
Garrus/Zaaed
Thane
Legion
Samara
Grunt/Mordin/Jacob
Jack
Tali

Keep in mind that is for Insanity.

[Someone With Mass]

I think Tali's drone alone puts her above most squadmates, as they can't draw fire from enemies like the Praetorian and Scions. The drone can.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 18 mai 2011 - 12:09 .

[ADLegend21]

Tali's okay in ME2, she had better powers in Me1 with Damping Sabotage, and Overload. Combat Drone is fine, but exploding drone is great for stunning big enemies like Geth hunters and Primes.

[jwalker]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Honestly, I don't use her much in missions in ME2, but her AI hacking plus her passive with 25% duration bonus is actually a good option on the battlefield. There are a lot mechs throughout the game. And if you have the Firepower pack, she may not suck that much with the shotgun

One side mission
Both Tali-centric missions
Legion's loyalty
Protect Overload

Those are the only missions in the game involving Geth. I do not include LOKI mechs since they too weak to be of use on Insanity. YMIR Mechs are usually better to explode once their health is down in lieu of Hacking. So that strictly limits her to four missions she is not completely situational. The GPS is decent however it does not trump the rest.
[...]

Keep in mind that is for Insanity.

Yes, I'm talking about Insanity as well.
And I do count Loki mechs and dogs (don't remember the name).
They can cause quite a mayhem amongst their buddies. Enhanced Hacking gives 500 shields points. For some reason, those shields are stronger than Shepard's and they can take some punishment.

I'm not saying Tali is a better option than Miranda or Kasumi. But if it is a geth mission  or there are plenty of mechs (Thane's RM, Garrus LM, etc) Tali is not a bad option for her AI hacking

[Waltzingbear]

They're all based on Norse mythology- Loki, Ymir and Fenris.

I never thought about AI Hacking as a valid choice; it seemed like Dominate- fun to use, but functionally unreliable and rather tends to just slow you down.
I'll have to give it a try again.

[Tony Gunslinger]

Tali surprises me. Her combat drone takes forever to cooldown, but when it is there, the fights do become so much easier. Missions that I've used her where I thought she did pretty well:

- Thane's recruitment
- Mordin's LM
- Jacob's LM
- Legion's LM

And yes, GPS for her, no question.

[Golden Owl]

Tali teamed with Legion against synthetics = Team unstoppable....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 18 mai 2011 - 02:48 .

[somebody99000]

Waltzingbear wrote...

They're all based on Norse mythology- Loki, Ymir and Fenris.

Interestingly, all giants or other anti-Aesir forces, too. You'd think they'd be named after, say, the weapons of the gods or the gods themselves

I never thought about AI Hacking as a valid choice; it seemed like Dominate- fun to use, but functionally unreliable and rather tends to just slow you down.
I'll have to give it a try again.

*Shrugs* It's a single-player game. If it works, and you don't die everytime you use it, it's not a bad strategy. Heck, if it's fun, it's even a good strategy, even if it slows you down or isn't as powerful as something else you could be doing. I'd vouch for putting one point (at least) in it, though; at that level, you're basically paying the enemy to kill it's own members for you, taking off a little bit of heat for a little while (maybe enough to get a couple of shots off, or reload, or have your shields recharge), and saving a bit of ammunition. All in all, a nice trade-off.

[jwalker]

Tony Gunslinger wrote...

Tali surprises me. Her combat drone takes forever to cooldown, but when it is there, the fights do become so much easier. Missions that I've used her where I thought she did pretty well:

- Thane's recruitment
- Mordin's LM
- Jacob's LM
- Legion's LM

And yes, GPS for her, no question.

Mordin's LM ? I did that once just for teh lulz when you encounter the Urdnot scout .
But she's not my choice there. C'mon, Grunt and Mordin for those kind of missions

Oh yes, I forgot Jacob's LM. Crapload of mechs there. AI hacking makes things easier.

[termokanden]

Did someone say Hacking is bad? Well it isn't.

Geth are very aggressive and if you hack one, it almost always causes major damage or dies in the process. It's also quite a bit of fun hacking a Destroyer. I've seen those take out 2 enemies before hacking ends. And then you can shoot their tank.

[Bozorgmehr]

AI Hacking is the BEST and MOST POWERFUL CC power in ME2.

One point in AI Hacking is pretty useless, you'll need Improved AI Hacking to really get things going. It's also a myth that it's only useful on Geth mission. Obviously it is, but not when you use it on Geth Troopers. The targets you want to hack are the ones that don't use cover but charge enemy positions - Geth Destroyers, Hunters, Primes and LOKI, FENRIS and YMIRS. Those are the ultimate AI Hacking targets - hacking (the right) one will win the battle.

Enemies will always shoot the nearest enemy (within sight); hacking a LOKI near other enemies will have ALL those enemies turn and fight the LOKI (and LOKI's have very nasty CQC attacks) - you can either wait and watch the show, or move in and kill enemies at will. The only missions AI Hacking is useless are Bloodpack and Collector missions (~20 of all missions).

Drones are useless compared to AI Hacking; Drones will last only a couple seconds, distract only one enemy, and don't inflict any noticeable damage. A hacked enemy (Improved) will outlast pretty much everything; will distract ALL enemies; and can inflict some serious damage.  Drones are on a 30 seconds cooldown, AI Hacking on a 12 seconds. Legion gets an 25% cooldown reduction (passive) which (combined with tech cooldown research) will reduce cooldown to ~6 seconds. This allows Legion to perma-hack the most power enemies (Primes and YMIRs).

Still unsure about AI Hacking? Check social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/261/index/5743362 

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

AI Hacking is the BEST and MOST POWERFUL CC power in ME2.

I agree, but only in the case where there are enough synthetics to be had. Maybe this is splitting hairs a bit, but still.

termokanden wrote...

Did someone say Hacking is bad? Well it isn't.

Geth are very aggressive and if you hack one, it almost always causes major damage or dies in the process. It's also quite a bit of fun hacking a Destroyer. I've seen those take out 2 enemies before hacking ends. And then you can shoot their tank.

Yeah, everyone goes on and on about Tali's Drone, but really, for synthetic-heavy missions, I think her AI Hacking is a much much stronger power to max out and use, since you can net yourself a stronger 'Drone', that basically has the same kind of effect on the field.

For Collectors/Reapers I still think there are plenty of better squaddies. Drone isn't the only power out there that hoses Harby, Scions and Husks.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 18 mai 2011 - 03:27 .