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[Dave of Canada]

I consider myself Renegade and... nope, there isn't.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Clonedzero]

yeah, its pretty crappy.

[Darkhour]

Casey Hudson: ROFL @ renegades

[Elite Midget]

To watch the Galaxy, Garrus, and Tali burn.

[Seboist]

One more delicious irony that I'm expecting in ME3 against Renegades....

Decided to kill the Rachni Queen in hopes of preventing a future threat from her kind? Too bad! Bring out the Cerberus cloned ME1 side mission Rachni!

[Ahglock]

I'll wait until ME3 to complain about this. Until then we don't know how this pans out. Maybe the rachni are easily indoctrinated and saving them only adds to the reaper army, maybe saving the council weakens the alliance fleet so much that you lose earth, maybe destroying the collector base means you lose out on valuable weapons research.

[JetsoverEverything]

Rojahar wrote...

Kill the Rachni because they might be a huge threat a deceiving you? WRONG DECISION! Turns out they're good and will help you if you spare them.

Decide to prioritize stopping Sovereign instead of protecting inept beaurocrats? WRONG DECISION! You can have your cake and eat it too. Saving them has no negative consequences. All those lives lost to save three people? Nobody cares. Nothing but benefits for saving them.

Kill X NPC? Just one less cameo. One less cameo who's probably reformed their evil ways and will help you in the end.

Save the Collector base, in hopes of finding out secrets that will help you? TERRIBLE CHOICE! Turns out it's all bad and blows up in your face!

Support Cerberus? They're working for the Reapers now. "lolol FU Renegades"

So, is there any reason to make any Renegade *decisions*? No, not dialogue, but DECISIONS. It seems like every meaningful decisions isn't so much a choice between Paragon and Renegade, but rather choice between Always-Rewarded Faith / Doing the "right" thing with nothing but rewards and no consequences... or being a moron, making a fool of yourself as Renegade, and getting punished. Is there any reason for my Renegade Shep to not choose Paragon options for big decisions, other than if I wanted to roleplay someone who makes bad decisions?

um maybe im just a big douche and want to make everything harder on my self?? and really killing some one off isnt gonna cut content if that "reformed" person is dead then obviously they will be replaced with another character.

but yes bioware hates renegades you parabastards got it gooood

[TaHol100]

Rachni are good? Crap. My Saint-Shepard always kills Rachni because I HATE spiders. *hopes there will be ME3 save-editor.*

[rubyreader]

Rojahar wrote...

Kill the Rachni because they might be a huge threat a deceiving you? WRONG DECISION! Turns out they're good and will help you if you spare them.

Decide to prioritize stopping Sovereign instead of protecting inept beaurocrats? WRONG DECISION! You can have your cake and eat it too. Saving them has no negative consequences. All those lives lost to save three people? Nobody cares. Nothing but benefits for saving them.

Kill X NPC? Just one less cameo. One less cameo who's probably reformed their evil ways and will help you in the end.

Save the Collector base, in hopes of finding out secrets that will help you? TERRIBLE CHOICE! Turns out it's all bad and blows up in your face!

Support Cerberus? They're working for the Reapers now. "lolol FU Renegades"

So, is there any reason to make any Renegade *decisions*? No, not dialogue, but DECISIONS. It seems like every meaningful decisions isn't so much a choice between Paragon and Renegade, but rather choice between Always-Rewarded Faith / Doing the "right" thing with nothing but rewards and no consequences... or being a moron, making a fool of yourself as Renegade, and getting punished. Is there any reason for my Renegade Shep to not choose Paragon options for big decisions, other than if I wanted to roleplay someone who makes bad decisions?

Well you do also save the largest dreadnought in Citadel space while also bloodying the Alliance navy to get them ready for fighting Reapers. Hey I wouldn't be happy hundreds of brave souls died, but frankly when you have a population of BILLIONS to draw from for your military I would hope the Alliance isn't really hurting several years down the line if even several thousand servicemen and women died.

Frankly, without secret histories or retcons, I don't see why anyone would think to go Renegade for the big decisions logically and not for in character reasons. I mean every sci-fi opera around preaches that ultimately working together is the best way to go whether its the shining utopia of Trek, the more sordid future of B5, the usually campy fun of SG1, or heck even the multicultural pals of the Rebel Alliance.

Admitedly in ME we do have more of a balance in that say the Quarians chose Renegade and got smacked the eff up for it, but the Salarians probably saved the galaxy by virus plaguing the Krogan. I'd say a 60-40 split since there's probably a debate on if the genophage was actually necessary.

Modifié par rubyreader, 14 mai 2011 - 05:14 .

[Zemious]

Unbelievable. THe paragon wants to feel special. let me tell you something about wrong decisions friend. your birth was a wrong decisions Killing the Rachni was the best decision. i love how you players think that saving some Japanese porn monster is gonna work out for you. Like saving the Zhu's hope worked out for us in me2? let's keep **** real here, the most likely outcome is that the rachni give you a +1 support in the war. I seriously doubt that they have a big influence in the next game. but you guys dont want to be logical about this, you guys want to whine and try and make us feel bad about our choices. we will not. Paragon can suck my nipples!

So, dont you come here and tell us that its the "WRONG DECISION" the only thing wrong about our decisions is that we didnt get to make it twice. THe real WRONG DECISION is the whole paragon option bull****. I cant stand paragon players, they go around pretending they're some elitist superior commander, even though they lack the balls, are completely boring and guess what? Are flower smelling pansies that wouldnt know how to save the universe, if we gave them an entire Krogan army.

Tali was annoying and I'm glad she's dead. THere' no sidequest involging the flotilla(or whatever that flying ship is named) that would be exciting to me. She's a boring ass character, her loyality missions was stupid, and she still has that giant metal condom over her head. **** tali, she's just as bad as Jacob (and jacob was god damn awful). Honestly, the only people who like Tali are those losers who need to get laid. QUICKLY.


Cerberus works for reapers? You don't know that. THATS THE WORST PART OF PARAGONS. you guys think you know abso-****ing-everything!!!

Paragons are like an afterschool special and the more you guys try to justify your kindergarden playing the less of a convincing case you make.wallow in your boring character and leave the galaxy rescuing to the TRUE FORMER SPECTRE (THATS RIGHT I TURNED DOWN THE TITLE: TRUE RENEGADE)

Modifié par Zemious, 14 mai 2011 - 05:15 .

[Zemious]

sorry about doublepost. internet lagged! though to be fair this does need to be read twice!!!!!


Unbelievable. THe paragon wants to feel special. let me tell you something about wrong decisions friend. your birth was a wrong decisions. Killing the Rachni was the best decision. i love how you players think that saving some Japanese porn monster is gonna work out for you. Like saving the Zhu's hope worked out for us in me2? let's keep **** real here, the most likely outcome is that the rachni give you a +1 support in the war. I seriously doubt that they have a big influence in the next game. but you guys dont want to be logical about this, you guys want to whine and try and make us feel bad about our choices. we will not. Paragon can suck my nipples!

So, dont you come here and tell us that its the "WRONG DECISION" the only thing wrong about our decisions is that we didnt get to make it twice. THe real WRONG DECISION is the whole paragon option bull****. I cant stand paragon players, they go around pretending they're some elitist superior commander, even though they lack the balls, are completely boring and guess what? Are flower smelling pansies that wouldnt know how to save the universe, if we gave them an entire Krogan army.

Tali was annoying and I'm glad she's dead. THere' no sidequest involving the flotilla(or whatever that flying ship is named) that would be exciting to me. She's a boring ass character, her loyality missions was stupid, and she still has that giant metal condom over her head. **** tali, she's just as bad as Jacob (and jacob was god damn awful). Honestly, the only people who like Tali are those losers who need to get laid. QUICKLY.


Cerberus works for reapers? You don't know that. THATS THE WORST PART OF PARAGONS. you guys think you know abso-****ing-everything!!!

Paragons are like an afterschool special and the more you guys try to justify your kindergarden playing the less of a convincing case you make.wallow in your boring character and leave the galaxy rescuing to the TRUE FORMER SPECTRE (THATS RIGHT I TURNED DOWN THE TITLE: TRUE RENEGADE)

Modifié par Zemious, 14 mai 2011 - 05:16 .

[MrDizazta]

[rubyreader]

Zemious wrote...


Unbelievable. THe paragon wants to feel special. let me tell you something about wrong decisions friend. your birth was a wrong decisions Killing the Rachni was the best decision. i love how you players think that saving some Japanese porn monster is gonna work out for you. Like saving the Zhu's hope worked out for us in me2? let's keep **** real here, the most likely outcome is that the rachni give you a +1 support in the war. I seriously doubt that they have a big influence in the next game. but you guys dont want to be logical about this, you guys want to whine and try and make us feel bad about our choices. we will not. Paragon can suck my nipples!

So, dont you come here and tell us that its the "WRONG DECISION" the only thing wrong about our decisions is that we didnt get to make it twice. THe real WRONG DECISION is the whole paragon option bull****. I cant stand paragon players, they go around pretending they're some elitist superior commander, even though they lack the balls, are completely boring and guess what? Are flower smelling pansies that wouldnt know how to save the universe, if we gave them an entire Krogan army.

Tali was annoying and I'm glad she's dead. THere' no sidequest involging the flotilla(or whatever that flying ship is named) that would be exciting to me. She's a boring ass character, her loyality missions was stupid, and she still has that giant metal condom over her head. **** tali, she's just as bad as Jacob (and jacob was god damn awful). Honestly, the only people who like Tali are those losers who need to get laid. QUICKLY.


Cerberus works for reapers? You don't know that. THATS THE WORST PART OF PARAGONS. you guys think you know abso-****ing-everything!!!

Paragons are like an afterschool special and the more you guys try to justify your kindergarden playing the less of a convincing case you make.wallow in your boring character and leave the galaxy rescuing to the TRUE FORMER SPECTRE (THATS RIGHT I TURNED DOWN THE TITLE: TRUE RENEGADE)

Given the estimated size of the known universe which in truth could very well be infinite we may never know, there are hundreds of billions of galaxies. Frankly a Krogan army isn't exactly going to do much of anything against that much real estate.

[JetsoverEverything]

Zemious wrote...


Unbelievable. THe paragon wants to feel special. let me tell you something about wrong decisions friend. your birth was a wrong decisions Killing the Rachni was the best decision. i love how you players think that saving some Japanese porn monster is gonna work out for you. Like saving the Zhu's hope worked out for us in me2? let's keep **** real here, the most likely outcome is that the rachni give you a +1 support in the war. I seriously doubt that they have a big influence in the next game. but you guys dont want to be logical about this, you guys want to whine and try and make us feel bad about our choices. we will not. Paragon can suck my nipples!

So, dont you come here and tell us that its the "WRONG DECISION" the only thing wrong about our decisions is that we didnt get to make it twice. THe real WRONG DECISION is the whole paragon option bull****. I cant stand paragon players, they go around pretending they're some elitist superior commander, even though they lack the balls, are completely boring and guess what? Are flower smelling pansies that wouldnt know how to save the universe, if we gave them an entire Krogan army.

Tali was annoying and I'm glad she's dead. THere' no sidequest involging the flotilla(or whatever that flying ship is named) that would be exciting to me. She's a boring ass character, her loyality missions was stupid, and she still has that giant metal condom over her head. **** tali, she's just as bad as Jacob (and jacob was god damn awful). Honestly, the only people who like Tali are those losers who need to get laid. QUICKLY.


Cerberus works for reapers? You don't know that. THATS THE WORST PART OF PARAGONS. you guys think you know abso-****ing-everything!!!

Paragons are like an afterschool special and the more you guys try to justify your kindergarden playing the less of a convincing case you make.wallow in your boring character and leave the galaxy rescuing to the TRUE FORMER SPECTRE (THATS RIGHT I TURNED DOWN THE TITLE: TRUE RENEGADE)

i agree paragons are always trying to justify why they are better than us but whatever. my shep still gonna be way more badass.

[Zemious]

**** Jetsover. We are more badass in our ****ing sleep. paragons are just little toddlers suckling milk from their parents ******. my shepard was an orphan and a total hardass. what were you paragons?

[Yakko77]

In order to save the galaxy, you don't HAVE to be a royal jack**** and brutal as can be (seriously, no reason to wipe out Feros in ME1, it's straight up murder to do so and that's just one example). If you want to be brutal and malicious, go play Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas. If you want to save the galaxy, play Mass Effect and at the very least, play paragade but don't expect to be rewarded for being a cruel and malicious renegade or renegon. Why some players expect to be rewarded for playing sadistic bastards is beyond me.

[Seboist]

Yakko77 wrote...

In order to save the galaxy, you don't HAVE to be a royal jack**** and brutal as can be (seriously, no reason to wipe out Feros in ME1, it's straight up murder to do so and that's just one example). If you want to be brutal and malicious, go play Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas. If you want to save the galaxy, play Mass Effect and at the very least, play paragade but don't expect to be rewarded for being a cruel and malicious renegade or renegon. Why some players expect to be rewarded for playing sadistic bastards is beyond me.

The major Renegade choices all have logical reasonings behind them.

[JetsoverEverything]

Yakko77 wrote...

In order to save the galaxy, you don't HAVE to be a royal jack**** and brutal as can be (seriously, no reason to wipe out Feros in ME1, it's straight up murder to do so and that's just one example). If you want to be brutal and malicious, go play Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas. If you want to save the galaxy, play Mass Effect and at the very least, play paragade but don't expect to be rewarded for being a cruel and malicious renegade or renegon. Why some players expect to be rewarded for playing sadistic bastards is beyond me.

i hate **** like this..... like really??

[InvincibleHero]

Seboist wrote...

One more delicious irony that I'm expecting in ME3 against Renegades....

Decided to kill the Rachni Queen in hopes of preventing a future threat from her kind? Too bad! Bring out the Cerberus cloned ME1 side mission Rachni!

I figured something like that would occur. It could also be Alliance cloned rachni. You helped a garrison surive and they had quite a lot of bodies to collect DNA, blood, tissue etc.

[Yakko77]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

In order to save the galaxy, you don't HAVE to be a royal jack**** and brutal as can be (seriously, no reason to wipe out Feros in ME1, it's straight up murder to do so and that's just one example). If you want to be brutal and malicious, go play Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas. If you want to save the galaxy, play Mass Effect and at the very least, play paragade but don't expect to be rewarded for being a cruel and malicious renegade or renegon. Why some players expect to be rewarded for playing sadistic bastards is beyond me.

i hate **** like this..... like really??

It's an option to play the game that way (1 of my 6 play throughs is done in a renegade manner just to see what it's like).  I just don't expect to be rewarded or to have a happy ending is all.  Sure, I may save the galaxy still but it'll be with far more deaths and with an oppressive human dominated galaxy at the end. IMO, that's nothing to celebrate.  The pragon path is one of coexistance and unity which leads to alliances and trust thus making for a happier let alone moral and ethical ending.  Keep pretending and lying to yourslf if you must.

[JetsoverEverything]

Yakko77 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

In order to save the galaxy, you don't HAVE to be a royal jack**** and brutal as can be (seriously, no reason to wipe out Feros in ME1, it's straight up murder to do so and that's just one example). If you want to be brutal and malicious, go play Fallout 3 or Fallout New Vegas. If you want to save the galaxy, play Mass Effect and at the very least, play paragade but don't expect to be rewarded for being a cruel and malicious renegade or renegon. Why some players expect to be rewarded for playing sadistic bastards is beyond me.

i hate **** like this..... like really??

It's an option to play the game that way (1 of my 6 play throughs is done in a renegade manner just to see what it's like).  I just don't expect to be rewarded or to have a happy ending is all.  Sure, I may save the galaxy still but it'll be with far more deaths and with an oppressive human dominated galaxy at the end. IMO, that's nothing to celebrate.  The pragon path is one of coexistance and unity which leads to alliances and trust thus making for a happier let alone moral and ethical ending.  Keep pretending and lying to yourslf if you must.

im not pretending or lying to myself.
renegade isnt a senseless killer who just does it to be sadistic or for ****s and giggles
it seems to me like a renegade is a player that does what has to be done even if it means killing off a few people, because im willing to make the sacrifices that no one else will im not getting rewarded in anyway?? thats BS (as of now since you know none of us have played ME3 yet and cant conclude what kind of impact our choices have had or will have.)

im talking about big plot choices ofcourse...
renegades are the big ****s when it comes to random **** but hey im a troll in real life so it fits my lifestyle

Modifié par JetsoverEverything, 14 mai 2011 - 06:27 .

[Dexi]

Playing renegade?

Heavy prize, but the priiiiiice!






No, but seriously... Bioware doesn't hate Renegades, ffs if they'd hate it they wouldn't have made it in the first place. But its just common sense that if you are an ass you're gonna get a lot less support from the people...

IRL if you kill people and doom races to extinction, how is that gonna create you any favors?

On the other side, Paragon is boring, as irl... IRL, they always ask the paragon for help, they take you for like their mother or something, think you're some kind of attention/help/money bank from which you can withdraw any amount and never have to pay back! And you always get to solve other people's problems... Just like in ME...

[Ieldra]

Dexi, we're not talking about being a jerk to everyone, we're talking about the big decisions. As someone has said, and I have repeatedly said, for every major Renegade decision there is a plausible reasoning behind it. If they all turn out badly, and the Paragon decisions don't, then the universe is stacked in favor of Paragons. That his appears to be the case is one of my major complaints about both games.

Having said that, my Shepards make decisions based on what they know, not what I know. They don't know they are in a story that favors feel-good decisions based on an unreflected traditional morality and never attaches negative consequences to them. They act as if living in a real world and thus, sometimes take Renegade decisions because they think it's for the best. At least until the thrice-damned one-sidedness breaks my sense of immersion.