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[Xilizhra]

Dismissing stripped bones and a severed hand, in a foundry where a phylactery was traced to, as "scavengers?" Really? And how did none of the guard pick up the white lilies connection?

[bleetman]

Hawke doesn't pick up on the lilies either, Gascard explains it to him/her after he's caught red handed. It's not like she was blindly ignoring a smoking gun.

[Xilizhra]

Yes, but investigating crimes is also not Hawke's job. Emeric does a better job of investigating than the guard.
I mean, Hawke even saw Quentin in the foundry at the end of The First Sacrifice! He couldn't have teleported away; magic doesn't work like that. Either he turned invisible and snuck out (and I don't know of any spell that does that) or there was a secret passage.

[Huntress]

bleetman wrote...

I'm not sure that knowingly exploding a Chantry full of the helpless with magical poop bombs and the guard failing to capture a serial-killing blood mage who kidnaps a handful of victims over the years is all that comparable. You might as well demand incarceration for police officers who leave cases unsolved. Unfortunate, but it just happens. Resources are finite.

Besides, Aveline doesn't investigate it personally, does she? Guardsmen are assigned to assist Emeric and turn up nothing but dead ends, and she trusts her guards. Hawke didn't go into Sherlock Holmes mode and brilliantly deduce the truth of the case. He/she made progress with it the same way as he/she accomplishes just about everything else: circumstance of being in the right place at the right time.

The guards weren't assigned, Emeric convince them, she had to kiss ( arse) after that. And Meredith told the templar to stop the search.

1) She knew about the serial killer+flowers since act 1, her answer: but "kirkwall is dangerous place" and the templar was mistaken ( in her words)
2) Emeric showed the humans bones and she still didn't get the clue.( bring eveline to emeric and see what she say about it)
3) The bloodmage probably mind controlled the guards or they didn't know how to read the notes all around the house.
4) Her job is to keep citizens safe, she fails, she doesn't want her guards to get "Hurt", thats why she ask hawk to help with the gang's.
5) She wanted to put 2 elves in prision because they killed the guard that was trying to RAPE the sister.. really Aveline?
She desmiss the elves crying for help and then try to make them paid for the killing?.. right... not on my watch.

After what happen to hawk mother i think she should have died with the murder knife, thats all am saying.

She is not a "hateful" memory-character, thats why so many people likes her, but she is inept. Orsino is an idiot if you wonder what i think of him, and meredith.. hawk should had the option: "remove Meredith head from shoulders".

Modifié par Huntress, 14 mai 2011 - 11:58 .

[Huntress]

bleetman wrote...

Hawke doesn't pick up on the lilies either, Gascard explains it to him/her after he's caught red handed. It's not like she was blindly ignoring a smoking gun.

Going after the serial killer is NOT hawk job, thats why the GUARDS/templars are there for, to protect.

Hawk had to find it because is her/his mother, or you really think waiting for the guards to look for her was the best way? ( bring aveline with you and this is what she suggest)

[tmp7704]

It's just too bad the way that scene plays out is so inane.

"That's not someone who walks away"? Really, Hawke? Maybe it's just someone who simply had enough of your unwarranted name calling and unability to take a hint when to shut up.

[bleetman]

Huntress wrote...

The guards weren't assigned, Emeric convince them, she had to kiss ( arse) after that. And Meredith told the templar to stop the search.

Right, because they already were investigating but had turned up nothing. Emeric refused to give it up, and convinced them to raid the estate of a noble who'd been quietly asking about some of the disappeared women. When that didn't turn up anything either, Meredith put a stop to him. The only - and I cannot stress this part enough - only reason Hawke has any success is due to happening to check the estate whilst Gascard had a victim there. Which, I suspect, only happened once he felt protected enough from suspicion to go ahead with his plan to lure out Quentin after the failed raid. Of course they didn't find anything the first time. There was nothing to find.

In a perfect world, the guard would've caught him, yes. That they didn't is a failing on their part, yes. That doesn't make a) Hawke any better, or Aveline worthy of death/comparable to a terrorist. Such a claim is ludicrous, frankly.

Modifié par bleetman, 15 mai 2011 - 12:05 .

[Huntress]

bleetman wrote...

Huntress wrote...

The guards weren't assigned, Emeric convince them, she had to kiss ( arse) after that. And Meredith told the templar to stop the search.

Right, because they already were investigating but had turned up nothing. Emeric refused to give it up, and convinced them to raid an estate. When that didn't turn up anything either, Meredith put a stop to him. The only - and I cannot stress this part enough - only reason Hawke has any success is due to happening to check the estate whilst Gascard had a victim there. For all we know, thinking himself free of suspicion is what caused him to put his plan to draw Quentin out into action.

In a perfect world, the guard would've caught him, yes. That they didn't is a failing on their part, yes. That doesn't make a) Hawke any better, or Aveline worthy of death/comparable to a terrorist. Such a claim is ludicrous, frankly.

Kirkwall is not a perfect world, I know that, but she is so full of Sh!T about "protecting".. thats why I get so upset about her rofl, I know she is not a detective but, she knew and so did meredith BOTH fail in protecting the people that "they" so much love, blood mages did/do a better job than any of this protectors, they killed the menace or put a demon on them. rofl.

Anders is not a terrorist, he removed the stain that is the chantry in kirkwal , I call him : mister clean.

You are missing the point.. HAWK IS NOT A GUARD OR TEMPLAR, is NOT his/her job to go after anyone, thats THE GUARD and TEMPLARS job.<_<

[bleetman]

Huntress wrote...

You are missing the point.. HAWK IS NOT A GUARD OR TEMPLAR, is NOT his/her job to go after anyone, thats THE
GUARD and TEMPLARS job.

I'm not missing the point, I'm ignoring the point, because it's entirely contrary to what you're otherwise saying. Aveline, her guardsmen and the templars are doing such an apparently terrible job but should be further criticised for calling in reliable-and-trustworthy outside help? Ok.

I'm not going to get into my viewpoint on Anders here. 'Removing the stain of X' is the kind of line you'd hear from folk who put bombs in public places. Which, incidentally, is exactly what he does. How you view that is up to you.

Modifié par bleetman, 15 mai 2011 - 12:23 .

[Xilizhra]

In a perfect world, the guard would've caught him, yes. That they didn't is a failing on their part, yes. That doesn't make a) Hawke any better, or Aveline worthy of death/comparable to a terrorist. Such a claim is ludicrous, frankly.

Well, Anders certainly did a better job in achieving his goal...

[Beerfish]

Huntress wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

jollyorigins wrote...

This is why I love Aveline. Unlike Fenris or Anders' angsty whining about how oppressed and fragile they are at Hawke when they support the wrong side, Aveline just outright says to her what she honestly feels and it's true...You do stumble into being a champion and she actually is brave enough to give Hawke a smackdown too. Go Aveline!

Do note that she only gets away with it because Hawke is willing to take it... I wouldn't bet on Aveline in an actual fight with any Hawke.

Thats right, she would have died after she fails on finding the serial killer, but you can't kill her, you just tell her how bad she is.. this things is what makes me so upset, you can kill anders because of a stupid church but not Aveline the inept captain of the guard... right.<_<

Well you could do that but you would have to slit your own throat for being just as incompetant as Aveline if your game is to kill all those that fail.

[Huntress]

bleetman wrote...

Huntress wrote...

You are missing the point.. HAWK IS NOT A GUARD OR TEMPLAR, is NOT his/her job to go after anyone, thats THE
GUARD and TEMPLARS job.

I'm not missing the point, I'm ignoring the point, because it's entirely contrary to what you're otherwise saying. Aveline, her guardsmen and the templars are doing such an apparently terrible job but should be further criticised for calling in reliable-and-trustworthy outside help? Ok.

I'm not going to get into my viewpoint on Anders here. 'Removing the stain of X' is the kind of line you'd hear from folk who put bombs in public places. Which, incidentally, is exactly what he does. How you view that is up to you.

The bomb was not put on a school bus, hospital, clinic, house, cinema, bar, inn,school, it was put in a building that do not allow freedom for everyone, who represent repression, who have people in jail just for being who they are.

Now Anders Revolt: to break away from or rise against constituted authority, as by open rebellion; cast off allegiance or subjection to those in authority; rebel; mutiny: to revolt against the present government.
 
Anders caused Riots: typically involve vandalism and the use of the riot destruction of private and
public property. The specific property to be targeted varies depending
on the cause and the inclinations of those involved.
Targets
can include shops, cars, restaurants, state-owned institutions, and
religious buildings. Take your pic.

[Huntress]

Beerfish wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

jollyorigins wrote...

This is why I love Aveline. Unlike Fenris or Anders' angsty whining about how oppressed and fragile they are at Hawke when they support the wrong side, Aveline just outright says to her what she honestly feels and it's true...You do stumble into being a champion and she actually is brave enough to give Hawke a smackdown too. Go Aveline!

Do note that she only gets away with it because Hawke is willing to take it... I wouldn't bet on Aveline in an actual fight with any Hawke.

Thats right, she would have died after she fails on finding the serial killer, but you can't kill her, you just tell her how bad she is.. this things is what makes me so upset, you can kill anders because of a stupid church but not Aveline the inept captain of the guard... right.<_<

Well you could do that but you would have to slit your own throat for being just as incompetant as Aveline if your game is to kill all those that fail.

You should do that right now aswell! in fact everyone who play hawk should! do you even THINK before typing that piece of bulls***? Or you don't own the game and makes you feel smartarse?

[bleetman]

Huntress wrote...

it was put in a building that do not allow freedom for everyone, who represent repression, who have people in jail just for being who they are.

Yes, and I somehow doubt the folks who piloted planes into various US buildings did it because they liked cool explosions.

Modifié par bleetman, 15 mai 2011 - 12:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Let's see... what exactly is the probability that any discussion will eventually boil down to an argument about Anders? Evidently quite high.

[Huntress]

bleetman wrote...

Huntress wrote...

it was put in a building that do not allow freedom for everyone, who represent repression, who have people in jail just for being who they are.

Yes, and I somehow doubt the folks who piloted planes into various US buildings did it because they liked cool explosions.

Oh man.. Now you should remember we are talking about a game, about a place that is nOT real.. I in no way would ever take what you just posted as a joke, and I'll ask you to keep it in the game, I was in no way trying to mix real life with the game, do the same, please.

Anyway back to the topic: if Anders was a terrorist then, sister or mother patrice and the templar were been one as well:
Religious terrorism is terrorism performed by groups or individuals, the motivation of which is typically rooted in faith-based
tenets. Terrorist acts throughout the centuries have been performed on
religious grounds with the hope to either spread or enforce a system of
belief, viewpoint or opinion.[90]
Religious terrorism does not in itself necessarily define a specific
religious standpoint or view, but instead usually defines an individual
or a group view or interpretation of that belief system's teachings.

[bleetman]

Huntress wrote...

Oh man.. Now you should remember we are talking about a game, about a place that is nOT real.. I in no way would ever take what you just posted as a joke, and I'll ask you to keep it in the game, I was in no way trying to mix real life with the game, do the same, please.

It wasn't a joke. You're excusing Anders' actions on the basis that he targetted a building representative of an oppressive system. No doubt they saw things the same way.

The Chantry building was a soft target. He could've targeted the one whose hand really does control the whip; the Templars, destroying their barracks. He didn't. Instead, he waltzed into a place he knew wouldn't be so disgusted by his presence as to prevent him from entering, manipulated his friend into helping and destroyed it. And for what? To force the Templars into slaughtering the Circle as a demonstration of their oppression, for the supposed good of mages everywhere. Does he consult them on this before sealing their fate? Not a chance. I'm sure the ones in the Gallows were overwhelmed with gratitude at this opportunity to go down fighting like Anders prefers, as the Templars cut them down in droves.

But it's ok because he has a cute smirk and a pony tail and all that.

Oh good grief, what is this. Let's talk about Aveline smacking Hawke around instead, shall we

Modifié par bleetman, 15 mai 2011 - 01:44 .

[Huntress]

bleetman wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Oh man.. Now you should remember we are talking about a game, about a place that is nOT real.. I in no way would ever take what you just posted as a joke, and I'll ask you to keep it in the game, I was in no way trying to mix real life with the game, do the same, please.

It wasn't a joke. You're excusing Anders' actions on the basis that he targetted a building representative of an oppressive system. No doubt they saw things the same way.

The Chantry building was a soft target. He could've targeted the one whose hand really does control the whip; the Templars, destroying their barracks. He didn't. Instead, he waltzed into a place he knew wouldn't be so disgusted by his presence as to prevent him from entering, manipulated his friend into helping and destroyed it. And for what? To force the Templars into slaughtering the Circle as a demonstration of their oppression, for the supposed good of mages everywhere. I'm sure the ones in the Gallows were grateful of their involvement, oh yes.

But it's ok because he has a cute smirk and a pony tail and all that.

Oh good grief, what is this. Let's talk about Aveline smacking Hawke around instead, shall we

Ok but first.. The chantry has never been soft on teaching or doings. sorry!! i couldn't resist

Modifié par Huntress, 15 mai 2011 - 01:41 .

[lobi]

My bloodmage laughed at her when she did this. BM CON almost twice Avalines STR.

[Sanarion]

I love how she's looking all pleased, then Hawke tells her. 'Next time, I'll fight back...."

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

In a perfect world, the guard would've caught him, yes. That they didn't is a failing on their part, yes. That doesn't make a) Hawke any better, or Aveline worthy of death/comparable to a terrorist. Such a claim is ludicrous, frankly.

Well, Anders certainly did a better job in achieving his goal...

Depends whether you think his goal was freeing the mages, starting a bloody war, or getting a lot of mages killed. Yes to the last to, not really for the first.

[Cyberfrog81]

Fieryeel wrote...
This makes Aveline more awesome in my books, that she is brave enough to outright beat Hawke up.

I really like that scene.

But Aveline simply loses her temper. It's not bravery.

[Black-Xero]

 She was the perfect rival.I hated everything about her personality but she was still such a good character.

[Icy Magebane]

Lame. Aveline would soon find her head exploded if she tried that on any PC I've ever played as... except of course, Hawke, who is a slave to whatever BS the writers of this game come up with. What kind of weaksauce protagonist gets his butt handed to him by a companion??? Ugh...

That would really ****** me off if I was ever rivals with Aveline... but, there's no real reason for me to do it, so that scene can stay in the bizarro-universe where it belongs.

Edit:  Thanks to the OP for posting those pics... I've been curious about this for a while now.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 17 mai 2011 - 08:59 .