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[ReallyRue]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, ignoring all the nonsense about trolls, flaming, and whatever else is going on above, it's another win for the confirmations. Here's my victory dance.

It's a very elegant victory dance.

[Quole]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Quole wrote...

The problem I have with the code is that it does not just contrdict the values and morals of humans, but that of everyone. In a society where killing innocents is clearly regarded as wrong, it makes no sense for a group of people to to find nothing wrong in doing just that. Samara is a perfect example because she is suppose to symbolize justice, but in reality her whole code contradicts the idea of justice that her people (asari) and everyone else has created. This is made worse by the fact that she threatens to kill you if you do anything that her code deems as wrong. Which is something she does herself because her code allows her to do it. Do you see how it does not make ANY sense?

She also does a lot of incredibly stupid things, such as killing prisoners instead of interogating them to get information that she apparently needs.

Actually the justicars are highly respected and revered in asari culture. In fact, one conversation on Illium about her, an asari law enforcement agent pretty much says "We aren't worried that the justicar will kill an asari, we would simply assume they deserved it, we're afraid she'll kill another race who doesn't show the same respect and reverence of the justicars".

They were afraid she'd create a diplomatic incident. If you do something against the justicar code, you are considered guilty, not an innocent person any longer. Therefore killing you or anybody "guilty" is a service to the galaxy by their logic. If a person hinders the goals of a justicar they to are no longer an innocent bystander but intentially getting in the way of justice and are now guilty.

I'm not defending their code and if you have a problem with the justicars, that's fine, I don't care either way. But your argument that it goes against every culture, including the asari, is wrong. If you have a problem you have a problem with the whole of asari culture. Which again, is completely fine.

No, Im saying it goes against common sense and the idea of justice that every race has established. The fact that Asari respect justicars is incredibly stupid, as the code itself makes no sense.

[Clonedzero]

well i think tali's character makes absolutely no sense in context with the story.
while samara may not be the most interesting character i think she makes alot more sense than tali.

seriously. recruiting her in ME1 makes no sense what-so-ever. no combat training. no known skills (you dont find out she's a tech wizard till AFTER you recruit her), she doesnt help fight those assassins, she hides in a corner. her crappy immune system makes her a liability out in the field. plus she's barely an adult.

she makes absolutely no sense as a full squadmate. but whatever, she has alot of fans who make tons of really really creepy fanart so i guess its ok she's in ME3. she'll be sitting on the sidelines for the entire game for me though. just like ME1 and 2.

[Dominus]

Quole: If you'd like to discuss the sense of justice of that particular character, make a seperate thread about it. This topic is primarily about Tali being confirmed as a squadmate in ME3. Otherwise this entire thread gets derailed, then casey and the gang will be sad. And that would be bad.

*Looks at your signature*

Samara = Most retarded Bioware character

Modifié par DominusVita, 14 mai 2011 - 09:59 .

[Alienmorph]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

eh, as long as they make Miranda a perm-squadmate I'll be ok.

Tali was so annoying in ME2. I loved her in ME1, but I don't know what changed.

Hopefully Miranda will die in the intro.

Typical tali fan.

You saw that most of the people who asked to Quole to stop with his idiocies are Tali fans too, righ? As I've always said there are only good users and bad users. I hope you can have your favourite woman you too and that we can both be satisfyed of the team's roster. Just ingore Quole as we do with the various talitrolls.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 14 mai 2011 - 10:06 .

[Quole]

Alienmorph wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

eh, as long as they make Miranda a perm-squadmate I'll be ok.

Tali was so annoying in ME2. I loved her in ME1, but I don't know what changed.

Hopefully Miranda will die in the intro.

Typical tali fan.

You saw that most of the people who asked to Quole to stop with his idiocies are Tali fans too, righ? As I've always said there are only good users and bad users. I hope you can have your favourite woman you too and that we can both be satisfyed of the team's roster. Just ingore Quole as we do with the various talitrolls.

What!? I have done no such things. I have merely stated the truth in a nonaggressive manner. I have done nothing wrong. I find it insulting that anyone could accuse me of trolling.

[Bad King]

Wut? How is Samara boring? She provides an insight into Asari culture and morality and she tells you some interesting tales about her past.

[antique_nova]

Clonedzero wrote...

well i think tali's character makes absolutely no sense in context with the story.
while samara may not be the most interesting character i think she makes alot more sense than tali.

seriously. recruiting her in ME1 makes no sense what-so-ever. no combat training. no known skills (you dont find out she's a tech wizard till AFTER you recruit her), she doesnt help fight those assassins, she hides in a corner. her crappy immune system makes her a liability out in the field. plus she's barely an adult.

she makes absolutely no sense as a full squadmate. but whatever, she has alot of fans who make tons of really really creepy fanart so i guess its ok she's in ME3. she'll be sitting on the sidelines for the entire game for me though. just like ME1 and 2.

Tali had combat training, it explains why she had a shotgun. People don't go walking around with weapons if they haven't trained with them - she was also a daughter of an admiral, so it also makes sense for her to have it, especially when she really hates Geth and wants war weith them unlike other Quarians. I can go on, but i've said enough.

I don't remember, but doesn't she tell you how she got her data when you present it to the council? Before you recruit her? She does help fight assassins, she throws a mine in the Turian's face, she hides in a corner, because her position isn't very helpful when she's in the kiddle of a fire fight, she would be caught in a cross fire if she moved out and she was most likely a rookie at the time who is also confused as to who is saving her and if they really are saving her - i think she has the right to hide and i don't believe anyone can use that event to point her out the door.

Sure she's barely an adult, but what about Liara? She is barely an adult in Asari terms, mentally. She and Tali both are experts in their field, making them sensible choices.

Tali also knows knows a heck of alot about the Geth, more than anyone else alive, making her a very good recruitment choice in ME1 & 2. Tech expert, Geth expert and ship expert and a person to help recruit the Geth and the Quarians for the coming war - what more sensible reasons would you want for her to make sense as a permenant squad member?

I am just answering your questions here, not trying to aggressively bash your comment, if it comes out like that.

I agree that there is a lot, and i mean a lot, of disturbing fan art of Quarians and Tali, but she will be beside me all the time in ME3.

[antique_nova]

Quole wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Quole wrote...

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

eh, as long as they make Miranda a perm-squadmate I'll be ok.

Tali was so annoying in ME2. I loved her in ME1, but I don't know what changed.

Hopefully Miranda will die in the intro.

Typical tali fan.

You saw that most of the people who asked to Quole to stop with his idiocies are Tali fans too, righ? As I've always said there are only good users and bad users. I hope you can have your favourite woman you too and that we can both be satisfyed of the team's roster. Just ingore Quole as we do with the various talitrolls.

What!? I have done no such things. I have merely stated the truth in a nonaggressive manner. I have done nothing wrong. I find it insulting that anyone could accuse me of trolling.

You're trolling. End of.

[Clonedzero]

antique_nova wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

well i think tali's character makes absolutely no sense in context with the story.
while samara may not be the most interesting character i think she makes alot more sense than tali.

seriously. recruiting her in ME1 makes no sense what-so-ever. no combat training. no known skills (you dont find out she's a tech wizard till AFTER you recruit her), she doesnt help fight those assassins, she hides in a corner. her crappy immune system makes her a liability out in the field. plus she's barely an adult.

she makes absolutely no sense as a full squadmate. but whatever, she has alot of fans who make tons of really really creepy fanart so i guess its ok she's in ME3. she'll be sitting on the sidelines for the entire game for me though. just like ME1 and 2.

Tali had combat training, it explains why she had a shotgun. People don't go walking around with weapons if they haven't trained with them - she was also a daughter of an admiral, so it also makes sense for her to have it, especially when she really hates Geth and wants war weith them unlike other Quarians. I can go on, but i've said enough.

I don't remember, but doesn't she tell you how she got her data when you present it to the council? Before you recruit her? She does help fight assassins, she throws a mine in the Turian's face, she hides in a corner, because her position isn't very helpful when she's in the kiddle of a fire fight, she would be caught in a cross fire if she moved out and she was most likely a rookie at the time who is also confused as to who is saving her and if they really are saving her - i think she has the right to hide and i don't believe anyone can use that event to point her out the door.

Sure she's barely an adult, but what about Liara? She is barely an adult in Asari terms, mentally. She and Tali both are experts in their field, making them sensible choices.

Tali also knows knows a heck of alot about the Geth, more than anyone else alive, making her a very good recruitment choice in ME1 & 2. Tech expert, Geth expert and ship expert and a person to help recruit the Geth and the Quarians for the coming war - what more sensible reasons would you want for her to make sense as a permenant squad member?

I am just answering your questions here, not trying to aggressively bash your comment, if it comes out like that.

I agree that there is a lot, and i mean a lot, of disturbing fan art of Quarians and Tali, but she will be beside me all the time in ME3.

they have never once mentioned at sort of combat training at all. i dont see any mention of it on her wiki page either.  are you assuming she's had training or something? if she has an i missed it please tell me where it says that.

i mean sure, she makes sense to recruit as an engine room tech and general engineer and tech expert, but as a front line combat person on a strike team? makes no sense.

and yeah, ill give you liara being in the same situation. being a prothean scientist with significant biotic skill that she's only used in self defense a few times isnt exactly strike team material either.

personally i keep both liara and tali on the ship in ME1 for roleplaying reasons (neither make a ton of sense in combat), but ill use them in ME2 because in the two years i can guess they've both trained up for combat (well using liara being dependant on LOTSB)

tali seems like she was given too much credit for stopping saren by the quarians and given command that she didnt really deserve. both missions she's in charge of in ME2 sorta go really really badly lol, but i think thats good for her character actually. her having command and authority forced on her due to circumstance but she's not really good at it. i think its good for charactization

[antique_nova]

Liara is a really good biotic, so she made sense as a front liner, but she lacks experience - you need to remember that not all strike teams take people with huge amounts of combat experience, sometimes they need indirect combat experts for a regular strike teams to form for certain or many missions. Think, star wars commando or Halo Reach - all are combat experts, but they all special in something and not all of them are specialising in just weapons.

Tali is good with a shot gun and a hacking expert against your most recurring enemy - the Geth. I swear she mentions it somewhere and they don't always put every detail in wiki.

The Quarians need hope and like Shepard who was seen almost as a combat god - they said he took on hundreds of Geth and was the Hero of Elysium - all heroics are always blown out of proportions. you should know that by now

She was given command, because of what she had a lot of experience with Shepard's team, so it was a logical choice to the admirals and curiosity killed the cat.

The first mission was out of her hands, not her fault - not even Shepard if he switched places could have prevented that incident without shooting them. The second was also not her fault if you think about it - it was inevitable.

But yea, but characterisation

Modifié par antique_nova, 14 mai 2011 - 11:28 .

[javierabegazo]

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