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[naledgeborn]

What the topic said.

In ME lore there are Humans, Asari, Salarians, Turians, Krogan, Quarians, Batarians, Vorcha, Yahg, and writers know what else. Is it possible that what the current civilization cycle call the "Protheans"  were more than one species or race? I thnk so....

Evidence in favor of my theory

Prothean Sculpture




A Dead Collector



No doubt people will come in and say "well the Collectors DNA was re-written by the Reapers to make them submissive thralls." What if these so called Protheans from the Styx Theta Cluster did indeed bear a resemblence to a 2185 Collector. If this were the case it indeed proves there were more than one "Protheans" when in comparison to the physiology of the previous sculpture.

Why did I write this thread? Mass Effect 3 is 9 months away, I'm bored, and speculation is fun. 

[bald man in a boat]

Well, the Collectors DNA was rewritten by the Reapers to make them submissive thralls.

[naledgeborn]

bald man in a boat wrote...

Well, the Collectors DNA was rewritten by the Reapers to make them submissive thralls.

But I have scientific evidence I say!!

[aimlessgun]

You'd think there would be some indication in the ruins. The architecture would be different for different species physiology.

Though it is a good question as to why the protheans are alone atop the galaxy. You have to wonder what their history is. I suspect the prothean empire was built on the bodies of lesser species as they spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood.

[bald man in a boat]

Hmmm, what if these so called Protheans from the Styx Theta Cluster did indeed bear a resemblence to a 2185 Collector?

[Clonedzero]

i was actually thinking the same thing, a couple sub-species of protheans maybe? like they could interbreed and such but were fairly different still?

if it was all one species that had a massive galactic empire and all that, it'd be a bit weird that you could trace them to a specific area with a DNA scan. wouldnt their gene pool be so spread out and varied that specifically tracing them to one spot be pretty much impossible?

[Synthauti]

It's plausible. It could be that they were like the Arachnids from Starship Troopers; several distinct physiological classes all of which share the same biological origin, rapidly evolving to deal with new or hostile environments. But at the same time, why were there no remaining sculptures or pieces of art that the Reapers missed which depicted Protheans that resembled Collectors? Maybe through some cosmic fluke, the Reapers only missed destroying the Ilos-type Prothean artworks, or maybe nobody has yet found art from that period that looks different. But it still seems most likely that the Reapers altered their physiology so drastically over time in favour of efficiency, subservience, or other traits that were preferable to physiological familiarity.

[Autoclave]

Very nice thread. Usually it is assumed that Protheans were one species race but so far there are no 100% confirmation to this. Probably they wiped out lesser species, or assimilated them.

[Clonedzero]

aimlessgun wrote...

You'd think there would be some indication in the ruins. The architecture would be different for different species physiology.

Though it is a good question as to why the protheans are alone atop the galaxy. You have to wonder what their history is. I suspect the prothean empire was built on the bodies of lesser species as they spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood.

why would the architecture be different? if they were many species within the same culture wouldnt they share and use architecture?

besides, if you look at illium and the codex screenshot of earth. the buildings dont look that different really. 

plus some of the architeture does look vastly different, ilos looks completely different than the massive cityscape of feros. both are prothean ruins.

[naledgeborn]

aimlessgun wrote...
....spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood.

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[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Humans make sculptures of things that aren't us. What if the Protheans had a creepy fetish for keeping statues of defeated races in their religious or political structures? So like every time a new leader was sworn in, they would have to pass along a procession of reminders?

I like the idea of the Protheans being just as bad as the Reapers, or the krogans unleashed.

[naledgeborn]

Synthauti wrote...

It's plausible. It could be that they were like the Arachnids from Starship Troopers; several distinct physiological classes all of which share the same biological origin, rapidly evolving to deal with new or hostile environments. But at the same time, why were there no remaining sculptures or pieces of art that the Reapers missed which depicted Protheans that resembled Collectors? Maybe through some cosmic fluke, the Reapers only missed destroying the Ilos-type Prothean artworks, or maybe nobody has yet found art from that period that looks different. But it still seems most likely that the Reapers altered their physiology so drastically over time in favour of efficiency, subservience, or other traits that were preferable to physiological familiarity.

I like your first theory. As Prothean Empire expanded and they colonized other planets they evolved and adapted to alien environments.

Or perhaps they enslaved and assimilated other races/species into the Empire.

[WizenSlinky0]

The collectors, as mentioned by EDI, had their DNA SEVERELY messed with to the point they no longer resembled protheans in any way except at a very basic DNA level.

However, it is unlikely "protheans" was just a singular race in the galaxy. This leaves with some of the following possibilities:

1.) Only one species rose up to space-faring and reached the citadel. It settled all worlds it could, rapidly expanded, and enslaved any species it met. Since other species were enslaved they were not relevant enough to have lasting consequence and the galaxy simply belonged to the protheans.

2.) "Protheans" were created, in a sense, as a sign of unity with other races. They ceased to be just their species and became one united "Prothean" nation led from the citadel.

3.) A fluke of chance that led to similar life being developed on multiple planets spanning a galaxy, despite severely different ecological set-ups. Highly unlikely.

[aimlessgun]

Clonedzero wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

You'd think there would be some indication in the ruins. The architecture would be different for different species physiology.

Though it is a good question as to why the protheans are alone atop the galaxy. You have to wonder what their history is. I suspect the prothean empire was built on the bodies of lesser species as they spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood.

why would the architecture be different? if they were many species within the same culture wouldnt they share and use architecture?

besides, if you look at illium and the codex screenshot of earth. the buildings dont look that different really. 

plus some of the architeture does look vastly different, ilos looks completely different than the massive cityscape of feros. both are prothean ruins.

I wasn't just thinking of exterior look. I was thinking of all the little ergonomic clues to a different species, like what your bathtub and toilet look like, door dimensions, stair dimensions, etc.

But it's true that many of the species in the current universe look so similar that their architecture would be hard to tell apart. So that's possible.

Modifié par aimlessgun, 14 mai 2011 - 10:18 .

[naledgeborn]

Clonedzero wrote...

plus some of the architeture does look vastly different, ilos looks completely different than the massive cityscape of feros. both are prothean ruins.

Actually they do look a bit similar. I think the main difference in that Feros is built vertically while Ilos spreads out horizontally. But that might be because of the difference in gravity. 

Feros



Ilos

[Bad King]

***(Spoiler Alert (I think this thread is in the wrong section btw))***

The beacon in one of the N7 missions shows the tentacled protheans being turned into collectors by the reapers, so it's confirmed that the tentacled look was their original look as this is what's shown on the statues, in the beacon images and in the codex, and so far there is nothing to imply that the protheans consisted of several species.

[Clonedzero]

aimlessgun wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...

You'd think there would be some indication in the ruins. The architecture would be different for different species physiology.

Though it is a good question as to why the protheans are alone atop the galaxy. You have to wonder what their history is. I suspect the prothean empire was built on the bodies of lesser species as they spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood.

why would the architecture be different? if they were many species within the same culture wouldnt they share and use architecture?

besides, if you look at illium and the codex screenshot of earth. the buildings dont look that different really. 

plus some of the architeture does look vastly different, ilos looks completely different than the massive cityscape of feros. both are prothean ruins.

I wasn't just thinking of exterior look. I was thinking of all the little ergonomic clues to a different species, like what your bathtub and toilet look like, door dimensions, stair dimensions, etc.

But it's true that many of the species in the current universe look so similar that their architecture would be hard to tell apart. So that's possible.

now you got me thinking about how krogans use teh bathroom. im gonna go wash out my eyes now.

[naledgeborn]

Bad King wrote...

***(Spoiler Alert (I think this thread is in the wrong section btw))***

The beacon in one of the N7 missions shows the tentacled protheans being turned into collectors by the reapers, so it's confirmed that the tentacled look was their original look as this is what's shown on the statues, in the beacon images and in the codex, and so far there is nothing to imply that the protheans consisted of several species.

No it doesn't it just shows a Collector "Prothean" running for it's life. I'm assuming it's the Reapers they were running from.

If somebody can find a picture of this it would be appreciated.

[jmood88]

Though it is a good question as to why the protheans are alone atop the galaxy. You have to wonder what their history is. I suspect the prothean empire was built on the bodies of lesser species as they spread across the galaxy in a sea of blood.

Every civilization that has risen to the top did it on the backs of others.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I think if there was another species besides the Protheans that spread itself in the galaxy and assuming the remnants of their existence weren't completely obliterated in the reaper invasion, the current scientists and researches of the Mass Effect universe would have figured that out long ago.

But, it's always possible that the Protheans destroyed the lesser races so they could be the only species out there...

[Black Raptor]

1)Protheans look like the statues. Reapers rewrote their genetic code to make them submissive thralls. They obviously thought the collector design suited them better.
2)It's also said ingame that the Protheans rose from a single world.
3)That weird vision was just to emphasise the point that Collectors and Protheans are one and the same.
4)I'd just like to point out that not all humans look identical, and neither do all our buildings.
5)EDI would've been able to tell where that particular collector descended from without requiring the protheans to have been separate species.

The Protheans rose from a single planet, and their empire came to span the galaxy without any other intelligent species being found. In a galaxy of peace, they were able to focus on science hence them unlocking the secrets of the relays, and help stop the cycle.

Also, due to their loneliness, they helped advance certain promising species like the Hannar and Humans, and possibly others too, but were wiped out before they saw their seeds of wisdom blossom. Hence why there are so many intelligent races this "cycle"

[naledgeborn]

Black Raptor wrote...
Also, due to their loneliness, they helped advance certain promising species like the Hannar and Humans, and possibly others too, but were wiped out before they saw their seeds of wisdom blossom. Hence why there are so many intelligent races this "cycle"

This is a sound theory.

[Bad King]

naledgeborn wrote...

Bad King wrote...

***(Spoiler Alert (I think this thread is in the wrong section btw))***

The beacon in one of the N7 missions shows the tentacled protheans being turned into collectors by the reapers, so it's confirmed that the tentacled look was their original look as this is what's shown on the statues, in the beacon images and in the codex, and so far there is nothing to imply that the protheans consisted of several species.

No it doesn't it just shows a Collector "Prothean" running for it's life. I'm assuming it's the Reapers they were running from.

If somebody can find a picture of this it would be appreciated.

Actually it shows a shot of two of the original tentacled protheans, and then straight afterwards a shot of two insectoid collectors standing in exactly the same places (in other words the two original ones had transformed). Looks to me like the protheans storing information about how their species was being transformed.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Bad King, 14 mai 2011 - 11:15 .