89 réponses à ce sujet

[Gatt9]

Shepherd10 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Legion's confirmed not to be a squad mate. I love bursting bubbles/

Well that's just monumentally stupid.  Leave out the character with the most story potential,  and instead include...

-Liara (A rather boring character,  especially in contrast to the Justicar,  who is largely helpless,  and who they had to come up with some convuluted story just to wedge her into an appearance in ME2 because she was so very one-dimensionsal and served no purpose)

-Ashley/Kaidan (An extremely boring set of one-dimensional characters who pretty consistently aren't able to manage any kind of problem on their own,  I spent 10 minutes trying to find a way to kill them both in ME)

-Miranda (An extremely one-dimensional character who really served no purpose in ME2 other than to pop up every now and then to say, "Cerberus is watching!")

-Jacob (While he's a well done character,  he doesn't have any story left either,  one-dimensional)

But they leave out Legion?  The one character who's story wasn't fully developed,  and could have yielded for a wonderful story-arc regarding the Geth and Migrant Fleet coming to terms,  and unloading a ton of pain on the Reapers,  as well as showing true artificial life and regarding Sherpherd as a Rolemodel.

Instead their going to include a laundry list of the weakest characters. 

Most people on this thread would disagree with you for the most part, and would probably only agree with you on Jacob being one-dimensional.

I'd be extremely surprised if they did.  I don't recall any fuss at all about Ashley not being recruitable in ME2,  and I've read far more people refering to Miranda as largely pointless than anything else.  Can't say I saw anyone put up any kind of fuss about Liara not being recruitable in ME2 either.

OTOH,  you can't turn around without someone complaining about Wrex not being recruitable in ME2.  Sadly,  Bioware did a terrible job of their metrics in ME2,  otherwise they could pull a data dump and definitively show who people liked and who they didn't,  like they could with ME.  That "Used X for 60 missions" wasn't in there for our benefit,  it was in there so Bioware could definitively tell who was well liked and who wasn't.  In fact,  if you read through ME's achievements,  you'll find they're almost all designed to be datapoints,  not "Achieved something difficult!".

[Yakko77]

Considering you can get your whole crew killed I tend to think the ME2 squadmates rejoining you will be as small as possible with the VS, James and otehr new characters joining you.. If you kept the squad alive then you'll still encounter them most likely.

[tishyw]

The problem is if you bring back another ME2 love-interest, you'll have all the competing love-interest fans squeeling.
Can you imagine the carnage on the forums if they brought Jack back as a permanent squaddie and not Mirranda, or Jacob and not Thane?  At the moment they can get away with it because both Garus and Tali were in ME.
So I think that any additional squaddies from ME2 will be of the non-love interest variety, and since we had a Krogan in ME and ME3, and Wrex has already been discounted, we're left with Grunt.

1. Kaiden/Ashley
2. Liara
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. James Vega
6. New person (possibly female if we do get new love-interests)
7. Grunt

That's my stab in the dark at who'll be our permanent team-mates anyway.  I think all the rest will have important and possibly recurring roles to play, and will be temporary squad-mates only.  This doesn't mean that the romance with them can't continue.

Modifié par tishyw, 16 mai 2011 - 04:38 .

[JBONE27]

Gatt9 wrote...

Shepherd10 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Well that's just monumentally stupid.  Leave out the character with the most story potential,  and instead include...

-Liara (A rather boring character,  especially in contrast to the Justicar,  who is largely helpless,  and who they had to come up with some convuluted story just to wedge her into an appearance in ME2 because she was so very one-dimensionsal and served no purpose)

-Ashley/Kaidan (An extremely boring set of one-dimensional characters who pretty consistently aren't able to manage any kind of problem on their own,  I spent 10 minutes trying to find a way to kill them both in ME)

-Miranda (An extremely one-dimensional character who really served no purpose in ME2 other than to pop up every now and then to say, "Cerberus is watching!")

-Jacob (While he's a well done character,  he doesn't have any story left either,  one-dimensional)

But they leave out Legion?  The one character who's story wasn't fully developed,  and could have yielded for a wonderful story-arc regarding the Geth and Migrant Fleet coming to terms,  and unloading a ton of pain on the Reapers,  as well as showing true artificial life and regarding Sherpherd as a Rolemodel.

Instead their going to include a laundry list of the weakest characters. 

Most people on this thread would disagree with you for the most part, and would probably only agree with you on Jacob being one-dimensional.

I'd be extremely surprised if they did.  I don't recall any fuss at all about Ashley not being recruitable in ME2,  and I've read far more people refering to Miranda as largely pointless than anything else.  Can't say I saw anyone put up any kind of fuss about Liara not being recruitable in ME2 either.

OTOH,  you can't turn around without someone complaining about Wrex not being recruitable in ME2.  Sadly,  Bioware did a terrible job of their metrics in ME2,  otherwise they could pull a data dump and definitively show who people liked and who they didn't,  like they could with ME.  That "Used X for 60 missions" wasn't in there for our benefit,  it was in there so Bioware could definitively tell who was well liked and who wasn't.  In fact,  if you read through ME's achievements,  you'll find they're almost all designed to be datapoints,  not "Achieved something difficult!".

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was a huge fuss about Liara not being recruitable, hence LotSB or the only really well done DLC ever made.  Hell, the only complaint I had was that she wasn't a full time squad mate.

As for the rest, I think Legion could better serve his purpose as a non-squad member.  It would be awesome if he was the Geth emmisary to the Quarians, and was insturmental in recurting the Geth or Quarirans or both into your strike against the Reapers.  
Wrex, I hear you, he is my 4th favorite character, and while it sucks that he wasn't a squad member, it was great to see that he is stepping close to achieving his goal.  
Miranda is pretty pointless, and I think she will have a small, but insturmental role in the game, like the witch bride of Loki in Norse mythology or Eowyn in Lord of the Rings.  She'll be someone of importance, but not have a lot of screen time due to other obligations.  
Jacob, yeah boring and pointless moving on.  
Ashely and Kaidan, one's mildly annoying the other is completely boring, but they were the only LI in MEI that weren't Liara, so if you want the love triangle set up, you kind of need the survivor.  
Also, you found Samara to be a compelling character?  I thought she was in an interesting situation, but the character had less personality than a dish towel, and even then the situation could have been flushed out a lot more.

Here's how I think/hope it's going to end up.
Ashely/Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Garrus
James Vega
A new Krogan (I hope, because Grunt kind of sucked especially when compared to Wrex.)
A female human companion
Kasumi
Zaeed

The reason for this is, I don't think Kasumi nor Zaeed had enough of a story arc.

Modifié par JBONE27, 16 mai 2011 - 06:30 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

I'm going to guess that we can pick from a pool of who we want to return from our surviving ME2 squad, since we can't have all of them. Then again, I'm convinced Mordin's going to just hang in the lab and sing showtunes, so make of that what you will.

As for Thane, he's still in fighting shape at the start of ME3. My guess is he'll live right up until the epilogue, or you'll get a chance to give him that lung transplant. If you choose that, he'll hang out in the Med Bay for a few missions and that opens up another squadmate slot.

[Forsakensoul42]

I don't really see Kasumi, Jack, Thane, Grunt, Mordin, Samara/Morinth, Zaeed or Jacob (yes i seen its been stated he will be a party member) coming back as main team members.

Maybe as members for certain missions or being able to call um up n be "hey lets go shoot some people if your not busy" but other then that I'm undecided about Jacob. For me he was 1 of the members i used for a story arc then that was it. I used Zaeed more then Jacob n i even went out of my way to go chat with Zaeed just to hear his comments loved his dialog! Kasumi i would of loved to see her in the main group with more of a story arc but hey shes a Thief time is money n i never really expected her to stick around for very long same with Jack (unless she was your LI in the game.
Grunt hes got to go make some baby's since he was part of Wrex's clan for me so he will be busy.
As for Thane i liked him but hes dieing. . . the closer he gets to his time being up I'm going to assume that his overall health will be on the low side so he really wont be in fighting form so let him have his rest. Not saying don't put him in ME3 but maybe we should be able to stop by if we got time to see how hes doing.
As for Mordin i about fell out of my chair laughing when i was playing as my FemShep n Garrius was my LI and Mordin comments to you about being careful about the chances of chaffing... (priceless!) If anything he should be able to stay on this ship just so ya can hear his comments about everything. As well as work in the Lab to help with upgrades n maybe some other random stuff.
I loved Samara but like she stated she would help you for a time until she felt she had re-payed you for helping her. So even though i loved her attitude n her personality being the whole *Justice 4 the Win* n *don't f with me or i will stomp u* thing i also understand that people move on. Have no clue why it would be when your in the middle of a galaxy wide crisis but hey who am i to judge...
For the idea of new characters being introduced i would say I'm 50-50 on the idea. Love the idea of the team you have sticking with you through the highs n lows of your journey n forming a bond that will last no matter the distance between you. But on the other hand the folks at BioWare imo make some great characters that truly stick with ya. So with me having that opinion how could i ever not want to see what they could come up with next and who they might have ya meet. Because really with you being able to travel through the galaxy and being able to meet so many new people as you explore new worlds how can you truly know that the current team you have with you couldn't use a new face or 2 in there midst.
As for me all i can say after everything... everyone has there own opinions and likes n dislikes so who am i to judge what others say n think what should n shouldn't be. ~to each their own~

[PauloT-Soni]

people we don't get any new love interests it's been said by Casey Hudson already. But we will get awkward encounters with your old love interest and your new one (if you had one).

what is also interesting is how it will work out with Jack and Kelly, I don't think you will get away with a one night stand and get away with it so easily :S

[KenKenpachi]

To OP most likely yes. Also would not be surprised if the Cerberus hitman sides with you in the end. But from various things I've read sounds like while we can have maybe 8 people to pick from at a time (or 10) that a revolving door system will be in use, such as in FF13, where we have teammates that are with shepard in a few spots trading places. Such as say 6 core members and the last 4 keep rotating given parts of the story.

[Blarty]

tishyw wrote...

The problem is if you bring back another ME2 love-interest, you'll have all the competing love-interest fans squeeling.
Can you imagine the carnage on the forums if they brought Jack back as a permanent squaddie and not Mirranda, or Jacob and not Thane?  At the moment they can get away with it because both Garus and Tali were in ME.
So I think that any additional squaddies from ME2 will be of the non-love interest variety, and since we had a Krogan in ME and ME3, and Wrex has already been discounted, we're left with Grunt.

1. Kaiden/Ashley
2. Liara
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. James Vega
6. New person (possibly female if we do get new love-interests)
7. Grunt

That's my stab in the dark at who'll be our permanent team-mates anyway.  I think all the rest will have important and possibly recurring roles to play, and will be temporary squad-mates only.  This doesn't mean that the romance with them can't continue.

I didn't realise that ME3 was actually the abbreviation for 'Mass Effect 1 Part 3' 

I can understand why ME1 squadmates have been confirmed first, after all, the constant 'We want VS/Wrex back in ME3' that has been going on for the last 18 months kind of shows what the depth of feeling is on the matter, but that doesn't make it right for people to marginalise or discount ME2 squadmates ; we don't know the full squadlist, and likely won't know anymore about the squad now until E3.

[Bailyn242]

I find it amusing that some seem to feel that Samara is a deeper character than Liara. That is ludicrous. Her story is largely finished, she has hunted down her target and dealt with her. All that remains to her is her code... boring.

Liara on the other hand is just growing into who she will eventually be. She has already faced her mother's betrayal and death. She has spent 2 years hunting the most powerful information broker in the Galaxy and, well, you know the resolution to that. There is still the "who is your other parent?" question and the potential LI angle. Samara has none of these facets to explore. Sorry, Samara = shallow character in a hot outfit, Liara is a complex character with depths as yet unexplored.

Modifié par Bailyn242, 18 mai 2011 - 04:44 .

[Gravbh]

Pure speculation on my part but aside from Garrus/Tali(because of their raw popularity), I think the "temporary squadmate" status will be used for basically all of the ME2 crew. This will make it a lot easier for Bioware to write them out of the game if they died. You will have one of your permanent squaddies take their place for whatever mission if they're dead.

I don't see an easier way to take into account the vast variables that the suicide mission can account for.

[Blarty]

Gravbh wrote...

Pure speculation on my part but aside from Garrus/Tali(because of their raw popularity), I think the "temporary squadmate" status will be used for basically all of the ME2 crew. This will make it a lot easier for Bioware to write them out of the game if they died. You will have one of your permanent squaddies take their place for whatever mission if they're dead.

I don't see an easier way to take into account the vast variables that the suicide mission can account for.

Sorry but for Bioware to do this would be a cop-out, much of ME2's critical acclaim is directly because the two games have links between your playthroughs, and there is a continuation of your ME1 actions that have consequences, however slight, in ME2 - and BW have been touting that this is even more prevalent in ME3.

If this were the case then you could essentially rewrite ME2 into....

a) Normandy gets attacked by non-descript ship, that we don't care much for

Shepard dies in unfortunate accident, but we will find all the service tags of the Alliance personnel that died, give them a proper burial and write letters to their loved ones.

c) Shepard is brought back to life by some person or thing, that we don't care much for and recruits Garrus alongside two non-descript fellows, that we don't much care for, in his squad

d) Ashley/Kaidan (who everyone loves) suddenly sees Shepard 2 years later and gives him grief (we don't care how he survived, just that he was on the same planet to meet Ashley)

e) Ashley doesn't join Shepard and everyone mourns their loss.

f) Shepard recruits some other non-descript fellows, that we don't much care for.

g) Shepard recruits Tali alongside Garrus and one of the non-descript fellows that we don't much care for (or is it a new non-descript fellow - in fact they're all so non-descript, we can't even tell)

h) Shepard, Garrus and Tali never speak of the other non-descript fellows that we don't care much for, ever again, but they do still share a laugh with Joker, who has some non-descript and completely unimportant talking calculator at his side, that we also don't care much for.

i) Shepard, Garrus and Tali, find Wrex on Tuchanka, but he won't join the team and everyone mourns their loss.

j) At somepoint while on a non-descript world, Shepard, Garrus and Tali meet with Liara, and we discover that the non-descript world is called 'Illium' and we find out all we can about it because Liara is there and she would like us to know all about the place where she has been for the two years that Shepard has been missing. 

k) Liara mentions something about the Shadow Broker who we know a lot about and care very much for, because he was mentioned in Mass Effect 1, Eventually we get to have Liara on our squad as we go after the Shadow Broker. Everyone congratulates and backslaps each other because we have Liara. At the end of the mission Liara moves her base to the Shadow Broker vessel, meaning that Illium is now removed from our memories and is basically another non-descript planet that we don't care much for.

l) Liara leaves Shepard's squad. Everyone mourns their loss, but is still fairly buoyant as we get to have Tali and Garrus back in the squad, not one of those non-descript people that we don't care much for.

m) Shepard does some stuff that involves blowing up some non-descript base in some part of space, killing some race of aliens, that we don't much care for that are threatening humans, although we can't confirm this as it's not an Alliance operation, and therefore we don't care much for it, but what we do care about is that Garrus and Tali are with Shepard while he's doing it. We also mourn the loss of a third squad mate slot, and wish we could put the pictureframe of Ashley/Kaidan from our Captain's quarters in the third squadmate slot, and elevate it to full squadmate, although we're unsure what guns to outfit it with as a pictureframe has no hands. Because we only have two squadmate slots, everyone mourns the loss of Ashley/Kaidan.

n) Shepard then has to go and save some Doctor under the command of General Hackett, who because he's Alliance and is known from Mass Effect 1 (henceforth known as 'The only Mass Effect worth knowing about'), is instantly far less non-descript, more important and worth remembering than any of those non-descript stowaway vagabonds that we don't care much for that we seem to have accrued while we spoke to Ashley/Kaidan and Shepard, Garrus and Tali blowing something up that we don't care much for.

o) Mass Effect 3 has all of  'The only Mass Effect worth knowing about's squad back together and no non-descript characters in it, because they, like, did nothing in Mass Effect 2 (henceforth known as 'The less well received Mass Effect game, where Ashley/Kaidan doesn't join Shepard, Garrus and Tali in blowing something up, and ignoring non-descript stowaways that we don't care much for')

Modifié par Blarty, 19 mai 2011 - 01:19 .

[Jebel Krong]

Gravbh wrote...

Pure speculation on my part but aside from Garrus/Tali(because of their raw popularity), I think the "temporary squadmate" status will be used for basically all of the ME2 crew. This will make it a lot easier for Bioware to write them out of the game if they died. You will have one of your permanent squaddies take their place for whatever mission if they're dead.

I don't see an easier way to take into account the vast variables that the suicide mission can account for.

garrus/tali can be just as dead as anyone else at this point. 'popularity' (on a forum) does not equal general popularity (the entire audience of the game[s]) or magically spring characters back to life.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 19 mai 2011 - 01:18 .

[KenKenpachi]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

Pure speculation on my part but aside from Garrus/Tali(because of their raw popularity), I think the "temporary squadmate" status will be used for basically all of the ME2 crew. This will make it a lot easier for Bioware to write them out of the game if they died. You will have one of your permanent squaddies take their place for whatever mission if they're dead.

I don't see an easier way to take into account the vast variables that the suicide mission can account for.

garrus/tali can be just as dead as anyone else at this point. 'popularity' (on a forum) does not equal general popularity (the entire audience of the game[s]) or magically spring characters back to life.

Minus the fact Bioware can. If they want to play Jesus, they can. If they want to say "Oh they were dead just sleeping" they can. I can't even see what the big issue is, you either have to be a really ancy person not to do the loyality questions, a horrible leader or what have you, or have done it on purpose to even get one person killed much less half the team. Thus that might not even be looked at deeply.  Reguardless if it makes sense or not.

And as I stated above unless your forced to use most of the new people as your old ones are dead, I wouldn't be surprised to see half of the squad settings up on a revolver system. Such as act one is done (or planet 1 w/e) Then Mordin gets snatched out for say Wrex. etc

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 19 mai 2011 - 01:50 .