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Uhh.. Why is this statue here?

Débuté par Augustei , mai 15 2011 07:00

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 01:02

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I've always thought it's a statue of a Kirkwall Guard, representing... you know, Kirkwall.

If it's a Templar statue then it won't emphasize how the Qunari was thwarted by Kirkwall, a tiny city state in the Free Marches, while they have fought entire Thedas to a standstill and now have the mighty Imperium on its toes.

A symbol of local pride, really. From what we've seen, Kirkwallers are quite patriotic actually ("They think of themselves as Kirkwallers first, and Freemarchers second.").

A statue of Hawke, who is a Ferelden immigrant, may have sparked more xenophobia against Fereldens (which we see persist till Act 3, in the form of Jeven's return). A statue of a Templar would not have the same sense of local pride, but also incite more animosity from the Mages and their sympathizers.

It's a wise decision to put the statue of a Guard there. Very political- a uniting force for all of Kirkwall. I'd like to think my Hawke declined to have a statue of herself erected, and suggested a Guard statue instead, and that a helmeted Aveline was used as the model (to Aveline's mixed exasperation and delight).

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 01:10

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Wulfram wrote...

What actually happened was rather embarrassing, so you put up a statue and pretend it was a glorious triumph. Pretty normal human behaviour.


Well, it's not as embarrassing as the Battle of the Squealing Plains was, that's for sure! :innocent:

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 07:46

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Filament wrote...

Yeah, you'd think it wouldn't have been excessively hard to come up with, at least two different statues (M/F), if not six for the different classes as well, considering the benefit. Things like that are what make the game feel more reactive to your character, which is what a lot of people felt sorely lacking.


Oblivion created a statue of the PC, it was a copy of the PC enlarged and made of stone. It wore what the PC wore and held the weapon that the PC held.

It wasn't exactly perfect, it picked the best armor and weapons in your inventory for the statue...BUT it was quickly determined where the game takes the 'snap shot' and anyone with internet access could learn when to drop all their gear and put on what they wanted the statue to wear.

First time I got that statue I spent at least 20 minutes starring lovingly at it.

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 08:07

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Doesn't look like it's wearing Templar armor to me...

I didn't give the statue much thought, to be honest. Given the fact that at least a couple different games have a feature where a statue of the PC is erected at some point, I doubt this was meant to represent Hawke. It's too simple to implement (apparently, since other games have done it), and I doubt Bioware is that lazy. It represents Kirkwall's victory, not the Champion's.

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 08:18

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Icy Magebane wrote...
 I doubt Bioware is that lazy.


Did you play DA2?? overused zones that were copied and pasted over and over again.. Ands you doubt their laziness?

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 08:20

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Eh... I was trying to be nice. Giving them a little more credit than they deserve, maybe...

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 08:27

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And the lack of reactivity in any way. I mean the city's completely unchanging.

And areas are reused like crazy. Example, is the collapsed doorway with a ladder (next to Anders' Clinic) a way into the Hawke estate or is it a Pride Demon's lair?

Or isn't it amazing how the exact same road you've spent 7 years walking on over and over again just happens to be a hidden lair of bound undead and demons?

The game reeks of rushed job. Ideas not fully implemented, levels un-designed, hell the vanilla version of the game came with two unfinishable quests! Sketchy on the Details and that Bandit guy on the Wounded Coast.

Play a romance with someone. Isabela and Fenris, for example, have 4 years at least in a romance with Hawke and it's like they've been dating for 3 weeks instead of 4 years.

Why the hell would Hawke wait so long for Isabela? Really? Some pining and unrequited love? Nope. Not in this game. That'd be too hard to do. Hawke just accepts that there's nothing there and waits until Isabela comes around.

So yeah, Icy Magebane...they're not lazy they just didn't have the time to do anything outside of the basics.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 17 mai 2011 - 08:29 .

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 08:47

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@Foolsfolly - I don't mean to give people the wrong impression. I have a lot of problems with this game and I agree with what you just said... but I don't always feel like complaining about something that I can't change. Sometimes, but not then.

As far as rushed development vs. laziness... I don't know about all that. Seems to me that even if they were pressed for time, they could have done less work on graphics and more on content. Recycled areas that look nice are useless to me. I'd rather play a 16-bit game with substance... Then again, the story isn't even that good, so it's not like focusing on detailed environments and flashy animations was the problem. I really don't know what went wrong, but it's just not that good a game.

I don't know, I'm probably contradicting the hell out of myself now, but as I said, I just didn't want to say anything too negative at the time. I think that when it comes to things like the statue, it just pales in comparison to the greater shortcomings this game has, many of which you just listed.

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 08:58

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I don't think they're lazy. I'm actually sure they're not.

I do think the game was rushed. It had a short development period and much of it looks ugly, is reused, and the plot needs more work. The companion characters are really well done as is the lore of Kirkwall.

All I can point to is time. If they had more time things would have been done better. Can I prove that? No way in hell. But it's what I believe. Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit and it was always going to be a mediocre game...or perhaps I'm not giving them enough credit and it's a miracle the game came out as good as it did in such a short amount of time.

I don't know.

But I know they're not lazy.

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And I understand not wanting to go negative.

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 07:41

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Well at least Hawke got to see his/her statue. The warden is still waiting to see his/hers with Lothering rebuilt or from the fade if he/she died ....that is if they are able to see it from the fade.

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 10:30

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ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Well at least Hawke got to see his/her statue. The warden is still waiting to see his/hers with Lothering rebuilt or from the fade if he/she died ....that is if they are able to see it from the fade.


Or if Orzammar erected a paragon statue and Brother Burkha put your name on the chantry plaque.

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Posté 17 mai 2011 - 10:36

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Why would it be a statue of Hawke? Nothing about it makes it look like it's suppose to be Hawke. Why is it holding a flaming sword which is Andraste's symbol?

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Posté 18 mai 2011 - 04:11

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The sad thing is that this statue is the only thing about Kirkwall that is different between acts (other than different people standing around and the barrier around the Qunari sector) and they didn't put much effort into it. The game does little to keep your interest. By Act III you've seen 90% of it.

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Posté 18 mai 2011 - 04:29

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it's a trophy for a city with self esteem issues

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Posté 18 mai 2011 - 04:33

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Thothistox wrote...

The sad thing is that this statue is the only thing about Kirkwall that is different between acts (other than different people standing around and the barrier around the Qunari sector) and they didn't put much effort into it. The game does little to keep your interest. By Act III you've seen 90% of it.


there's only 2 areas you haven't been to by Act 3 - where you fight Orsino and where you fight the High Dragon, tho technically you could look down at where you eventually fight the high dragon in act 1 so i dunno if that really counts

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Posté 18 mai 2011 - 04:35

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88mphSlayer wrote...

it's a trophy for a city with self esteem issues


Can you really blame them for having self-esteem issues?

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Posté 18 mai 2011 - 04:57

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there's only 2 areas you haven't been to by Act 3 - where you fight Orsino and where you fight the High Dragon, tho technically you could look down at where you eventually fight the high dragon in act 1 so i dunno if that really counts


And the Orsino arena is just a square with a walkway leading to it with standard chain-walls. I mean, it's not like you're missing much with that map.

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Posté 18 mai 2011 - 05:03

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

I've always thought it's a statue of a Kirkwall Guard, representing... you know, Kirkwall.


This would be the correct answer. Not everything is about the player.

"You're so vain...I'll bet you think this statue's about you....don't you don't you..."Posted Image

#44
Foolsfolly
Posté 18 mai 2011 - 05:51

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It.

Has.

A.

Flaming.

Sword.

It's clearly Templar.

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ajm317
Posté 18 mai 2011 - 05:43

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Foolsfolly wrote...

It.

Has.

A.

Flaming.

Sword.

It's clearly Templar.


If it's supposed to be a templar, why isn't it wearing Templar armor?

I mean, over two games I've seen a ton of these guys, they all have that sword on their chest and a skirt.

It seems to me that the flaming sword is more a comment that the "true believers" drove off the "heathens" rather than a comment that the Templars specifically did the job.  If it is supposed to be a Templar then Meredith should get her money back from the sculpter, because he did a crappy job.

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