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[Inquisitor Recon]

InviolateNK wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Luke is far more of an established character, from films and books, than Shepard, a game hero, who can be anything the player wants to be.

Exactly

So you can make Shepard a midget, or missing one eye, or suffering from multiple personality disorder? Or any number of other things you can't represent in game?

[Russalka]

If aliens are already available for romance, what's another gender?

You are so reported too.

[Mars Nova]

As a straight male, I have no desire to have my Shepard have sex with another dude, but I won't begrudge those who want to do so the option. I'm neutral with this so long as the following three criteria are met.

1-M/M romances must be, like all other romances, completely optional, with no penalty for rejection. I've heard about what happened in Dragon Age II where you had to either sleep with that one guy or get hit with rivalry points.

2-M/M romances must be initated by the player with specific, clearly marked dialogue options, like "I want you" or "I love you," etc. I don't want the game to flag me as gay just because I'm trying to be nice to my squadmates.

3-Any character who expresses same-sex interest in Shepard must do so in a way that does not break up the narrative and/or previous characterization of said character. Example: Assuming Thane is in ME3, having him suddenly be interested in male Shepard would be contrived and forced. He was DYING in ME2, if he was interested in Shepard, he would have said so then. So basically, no retconning previously established characters that have never given any indication of being interested in same-sex Shepard.

[Inquisitor Recon]

solstickan wrote...
Oh FFS!

Sexual orientation describes a pattern of emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to the opposite gender, same gender, both genders, neither gender, or another gender.

This is a scientific term, not something someone pulled out of their ass. However much you whine about it bestiality =/= sexual orientation.

Even if I was interested in such matters I wouldn't go to Wikipedia of all places as a source.

[Reapinger]

rolson00 wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

There will be toes stepped on either way if they include or exclude s/s romance or not. The point is that it has NOT been in the game. People can express their sexual tendencies however they wish in real life, I have very good gay guy friends. That is not to say that BW should bend over backwards to put something in the game and possibly alter solidified characters. I am against it for the reason that I don't want my male squadmemebers eyeing me because I am not gay. That's like me going to a gay bar as a straight man and not expecting to get hit on. I just don't want this to alter my game experience and my playthrough.

/word vomit

it seems every time somone takes that angle they always have "good gay friends" lets call a hat a hat you just don't like it so you think everyone else shouldn't do it either

Sorry but you can't regift your own award, bud. 

[solstickan]

ReconTeam wrote...
Even if I was interested in such matters I wouldn't go to Wikipedia of all places as a source.

I could've just as well said it with my own words. Easier to just copy-paste. But I see my effort was (not sursprisingly) a complete waste of time.

[AlexMBrennan]

I've heard about what happened in Dragon Age II where you had to either sleep with that one guy or get hit with rivalry points.

It's Anders. You get Rivalry points for damn nearly everything (cf "Morrigan disapproves")

I'm neutral

No you're not - 3 restrictions for m/m options, but no limit to f/f or heterosexual retcons?

[rolson00]

Reapinger wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

There will be toes stepped on either way if they include or exclude s/s romance or not. The point is that it has NOT been in the game. People can express their sexual tendencies however they wish in real life, I have very good gay guy friends. That is not to say that BW should bend over backwards to put something in the game and possibly alter solidified characters. I am against it for the reason that I don't want my male squadmemebers eyeing me because I am not gay. That's like me going to a gay bar as a straight man and not expecting to get hit on. I just don't want this to alter my game experience and my playthrough.

/word vomit

it seems every time somone takes that angle they always have "good gay friends" lets call a hat a hat you just don't like it so you think everyone else shouldn't do it either

Sorry but you can't regift your own award, bud. 

heh lolz you can...it saves you money

[Mr. Gogeta34]

solstickan wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
Even if I was interested in such matters I wouldn't go to Wikipedia of all places as a source.

I could've just as well said it with my own words. Easier to just copy-paste. But I see my effort was (not sursprisingly) a complete waste of time.

Lets just assume he meant "Sexual Preference" instead?

[Russalka]

Preference is usually equated to orientation.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 mai 2011 - 08:02 .

[NoSoyBueno]

Mars Nova wrote...
2-M/M romances must be initated by the player with specific, clearly marked dialogue options, like "I want you" or "I love you," etc. I don't want the game to flag me as gay just because I'm trying to be nice to my squadmates.

Agreed with all points, but this one in particular, and for all relationships.  While I was generally able to detect which options would lead to romance, it felt like I was walking through a minefield.  I think the best solution would be to have the point of divergence made clear by having the romance choice clearly marked and on the left of the dialogue tree, while the usual paragon/neutral/renegade options that don't lead to romance would be on the right.

-NSB

Modifié par NoSoyBueno, 16 mai 2011 - 08:06 .

[Reapinger]

Don't know that I would call Asari on human female an f/f relationship.

Asari are monogender, they have no gender. Them looking female is part of their biology. So in my opinion it's f/no gender love interest.

[Russalka]

Monogender means one gender. Their gender is female. The codex says they are an all-female race.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

So are some of you saying then that it'd be fine if Bioware allowed you to have a relationship with an alien that looks like a human child or animal?

I'm just trying to get a feel for where the line is.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 16 mai 2011 - 08:06 .

[Russalka]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So are some of you saying then that it'd be fine if Bioware allowed you to have a relationship with an alien that looks like a human child or animal?

Where are you getting that anyone implied this?

I should stop responding to trolls.

[SalsaDMA]

ReconTeam wrote...

solstickan wrote...
Oh FFS!

Sexual orientation describes a pattern of emotional, romantic, or sexual attraction to the opposite gender, same gender, both genders, neither gender, or another gender.

This is a scientific term, not something someone pulled out of their ass. However much you whine about it bestiality =/= sexual orientation.

Even if I was interested in such matters I wouldn't go to Wikipedia of all places as a source.

Don't forget the 'sexual orientation' debate started off from the wording 'sexual preference'...

Not content with the words used, they had to be transformed into something else just so they could claim a technical foul that never existed.

The fact of the matter is that lots of different sexual preferences exists. Some people get aroused and want to 'get it on' with different partners, the variations too myriad to even contemplate listing. Some legal, some illegal, depending on the laws of where you are. In fact, I think any sexual preference has laws making its practice illegal somewhere, under some circumstance.

I find it humorous when people claim to be open minded about sexual preferences, though, while they at the same time get offended about other sexual preferences than their own. Goes to show, I guess.

And no, for the sake of argument, I don't personally condone all the different types of sexual preferences that exists. For starters I utterly dislike anything that has to do with unwilling partners. I just thought it funny that claims of 'superiority' started to get aired among those claiming that anyone not falling to their knees and accepting their opinions as the gospel were biggots or worse.

[punky482]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

punky482 wrote...

Claiming two people are conscious of their sex acts and a varren is an aminal.
Don't care if people like to put it in their dogs, but not the same as gay.

You don't think dogs or Varren know whether they want something or not?  (Just for the sake of arguement)

They do know they want sex or food or whatev, tried to have a dog join in with me and another one time, wasn't having it. Not the same as "hey man let's get some coffee."

Also, your pedo argument is also just wrong too.

Modifié par punky482, 16 mai 2011 - 08:08 .

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

So you can make Shepard a midget, or missing one eye, or suffering from multiple personality disorder? Or any number of other things you can't represent in game?

It has to be within reason, of course.

Can my Shepard directly comment on how he thinks Salarians are particularly ugly? No. Can he tell the player how annoyed he secretly feels in certain situations when playing a nice-guy? No. Can I imagine him to think those things and have it be a perfectly viable role-ploaying option? Absolutely.

And comparing physical abnormalities and serious pshychological problems to certain personality traits and thoughts is a shaky argument at best.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 mai 2011 - 08:18 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Blacklash93 wrote...
And comparing physical abnormalities and serious pshychological problems to certain personality traits is a shaky argument at best.

Abnormalites? Why I am offended you would say such a thing. Bigot.

[SalsaDMA]

Russalka wrote...

Preference is usually equated to orientation.

So someone that has a preference for Varren does simply not exist, because your current term dictionary doesn't contain varrens?

[Russalka]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Don't forget the 'sexual orientation' debate started off from the wording 'sexual preference'...

Not content with the words used, they had to be transformed into something else just so they could claim a technical foul that never existed.

The fact of the matter is that lots of different sexual preferences exists. Some people get aroused and want to 'get it on' with different partners, the variations too myriad to even contemplate listing. Some legal, some illegal, depending on the laws of where you are. In fact, I think any sexual preference has laws making its practice illegal somewhere, under some circumstance.

I find it humorous when people claim to be open minded about sexual preferences, though, while they at the same time get offended about other sexual preferences than their own. Goes to show, I guess.

And no, for the sake of argument, I don't personally condone all the different types of sexual preferences that exists. For starters I utterly dislike anything that has to do with unwilling partners. I just thought it funny that claims of 'superiority' started to get aired among those claiming that anyone not falling to their knees and accepting their opinions as the gospel were biggots or worse.

So, what are you basing this on anyway? Clearly at least somewhat of a scientific source is not good enough.

Beastiality is not a sexual preference in that it usually develops next to an already established orientation. It is not a class of its own next to liking a gender.

[Xilizhra]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So are some of you saying then that it'd be fine if Bioware allowed you to have a relationship with an alien that looks like a human child or animal?

I'm just trying to get a feel for where the line is.

See Garrus.

[Inquisitor Recon]

InviolateNK wrote...
Oh dear...there are str8, gay and bisexual people who like to play ME. ME 3 is not gonna be only for str8 ones, what they want and what they don't mind. It's gonna be a game for everyone's tastes and likings. Simple as that and normally it shouldn't be an issue at all.

Okay, lets play along with this line of thinking. What about all of the other groups of people who aren't represented?

You cannot possibly hope to represented the interests of everybody in the world who wants to play this game.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 16 mai 2011 - 08:14 .

[SalsaDMA]

Russalka wrote...

Beastiality is not a sexual preference in that it usually develops next to an already established orientation. It is not a class of its own next to liking a gender.

It's not a sexual preference?

Are you telling me that you believe there are not people that have the preference for doing it with animals?

Or that there are not people having preferences for doing it with all the myriads of different partners people actually do have sex with? Enough for there to actually have been invented words specifically describing their preference of sex?