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[James2912]

Mars Nova wrote...

As a straight male, I have no desire to have my Shepard have sex with another dude, but I won't begrudge those who want to do so the option. I'm neutral with this so long as the following three criteria are met.

1-M/M romances must be, like all other romances, completely optional, with no penalty for rejection. I've heard about what happened in Dragon Age II where you had to either sleep with that one guy or get hit with rivalry points.

2-M/M romances must be initated by the player with specific, clearly marked dialogue options, like "I want you" or "I love you," etc. I don't want the game to flag me as gay just because I'm trying to be nice to my squadmates.

3-Any character who expresses same-sex interest in Shepard must do so in a way that does not break up the narrative and/or previous characterization of said character. Example: Assuming Thane is in ME3, having him suddenly be interested in male Shepard would be contrived and forced. He was DYING in ME2, if he was interested in Shepard, he would have said so then. So basically, no retconning previously established characters that have never given any indication of being interested in same-sex Shepard.

I fully agree with this!

[Russalka]

What is wrong with wanting a homosexual male Shepard next to an already established homosexual female Shepard?

You are resorting to fallacies. Are you familiar with the slippery slope?

[Russalka]

SalsaDMA wrote...
It's not a sexual preference?

Are you telling me that you believe there are not people that have the preference for doing it with animals?

Or that there are not people having preferences for doing it with all the myriads of different partners people actually do have sex with? Enough for there to actually have been invented words specifically describing their preference of sex?

You cannot equate liking a gender to unconsented sex.

[diskoh]

Something I'm finding interesting is that most of the anti-gay people don't have Mass Effect related avatars. I wonder if that means anything or is just a coincedence.

Modifié par diskoh, 16 mai 2011 - 08:18 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

punky482 wrote...
They do know they want sex or food or whatev, tried to have a dog join in with me and another one time, wasn't having it. Not the same as "hey man let's get some coffee."

Also, your pedo argument is also just wrong too.

What makes it wrong?  What makes either of those wrong?  Dogs may not speak english, but some can communicate rather clearly with human beings.  And we've already established that they can determine whether they want something or not.

Russalka wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

So are some of you saying then that it'd be fine if Bioware allowed you to have a relationship with an alien that looks like a human child or animal?

Where are you getting that anyone implied this?

I should stop responding to trolls.

I'm not trolling just because you disagree with a question I ask.  And this is implied by the recent acceptance of sexual activity (the kind where reproductive cells are given and recieved) that cannot create offspring.  If we're going to allow that kind of sexual activity to exist, where's the line?

[Russalka]

The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 mai 2011 - 08:19 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

diskoh wrote...

Something I'm finding interesting is that most of the anti-gay people don't have Mass Effect related avatars. I wonder if that means anything or is just a coincedence.

I'd put my Shepard up there if I knew how, but unfortunately I can only pick from the forum default set (none of which I wanted to use)

[Saeran]

ReconTeam wrote...
Okay, lets play along with this line of thinking. What about all of the other groups of people who aren't represented?

You cannot possibly hope to represented the interests of everybody in the world who wants to play this game.

There's no reason they can't start a thread and "Fight for the..." insert whatever you wish. It depends on how much support it gets I suppose. This particular area got the majorities support and BioWare's support... And Charlie Sheen's bro.

Modifié par Saeran, 16 mai 2011 - 08:21 .

[SalsaDMA]

Russalka wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
It's not a sexual preference?

Are you telling me that you believe there are not people that have the preference for doing it with animals?

Or that there are not people having preferences for doing it with all the myriads of different partners people actually do have sex with? Enough for there to actually have been invented words specifically describing their preference of sex?

You cannot equate liking a gender to unconsented sex.

A sexual preference is a sexual preference. You like doing it with a specific type of partners, it turns you on.

You and I may not like it, but unfortunately, somewhere, somehow, someone does.

Heck, there are even people sticking it into exhaust pipes, which is something I really cannot fathom, how hard I even try to get my mind to grasp it.

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...
And comparing physical abnormalities and serious pshychological problems to certain personality traits is a shaky argument at best.

Abnormalites? Why I am offended you would say such a thing. Bigot.

What did I ever do to you, exactly?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 mai 2011 - 08:23 .

[Russalka]

SalsaDMA wrote...
A sexual preference is a sexual preference. You like doing it with a specific type of partners, it turns you on.

You and I may not like it, but unfortunately, somewhere, somehow, someone does.

Heck, there are even people sticking it into exhaust pipes, which is something I really cannot fathom, how hard I even try to get my mind to grasp it.

How is this still relevant at all?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Russalka wrote...

The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

If that's the case, then you are also implying non discrimination against people who may like varren or child-like genitalia over others... wouldn't you say?  It's also safe to say that (as an alien race), both can consent right?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Russalka wrote...
The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

It's rather amuzing how you're trying to draw the line now, as if you have the moral high ground to say such a thing. Also not getting contented suited for your personal tastes isn't discrimination.

[Saeran]

SalsaDMA wrote...

A sexual preference is a sexual preference. You like doing it with a specific type of partners, it turns you on.

You and I may not like it, but unfortunately, somewhere, somehow, someone does.

Heck, there are even people sticking it into exhaust pipes, which is something I really cannot fathom, how hard I even try to get my mind to grasp it.

Wait.. by that logic surely heterosexuality is a preference to?

[SalsaDMA]

Russalka wrote...

The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

Carefull now...

Some of the directions of partners you disagreed with just earlier can certainly agree to the intercourse, while being of a type neither of us expects to see in a mainstream game anytime soon...

[Inquisitor Recon]

Saeran wrote...
This particular area got the majorities support and BioWare's support... And Charlie Sheen's bro.

The "majority" of a forum is hardly a basis for game development related decisions.

[rolson00]

reactive to how you interact w/them in-game.

thats means they won't say ne thing gay to you unless you yourself seek it

[solstickan]

SalsaDMA wrote...

It's not a sexual preference?

Are you telling me that you believe there are not people that have the preference for doing it with animals?

Or that there are not people having preferences for doing it with all the myriads of different partners people actually do have sex with? Enough for there to actually have been invented words specifically describing their preference of sex?

Whether or not there actually are people who get aroused by animals only is not relevant. The reason bestiality is not normal/acceptable/legal whereas homosexuality is is that the former wants a relationship based on violence. An animal has no way of giving its consent or saying no the same way a human does. Therefore animal sex is always rape. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, does not in itself threaten the well-being of another. Therefore bestiality and homosexuality does not [/b]equal.

Modifié par solstickan, 16 mai 2011 - 08:24 .

[SalsaDMA]

Saeran wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

A sexual preference is a sexual preference. You like doing it with a specific type of partners, it turns you on.

You and I may not like it, but unfortunately, somewhere, somehow, someone does.

Heck, there are even people sticking it into exhaust pipes, which is something I really cannot fathom, how hard I even try to get my mind to grasp it.

Wait.. by that logic surely heterosexuality is a preference to?

It is.

[Saeran]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

If that's the case, then you are also implying non discrimination against people who may like varren or child-like genitalia over others... wouldn't you say?  It's also safe to say that (as an alien race), both can consent right?

Pointless argument is pointless. Homosexuality isn't illegal.

[Saeran]

ReconTeam wrote...

Saeran wrote...
This particular area got the majorities support and BioWare's support... And Charlie Sheen's bro.

The "majority" of a forum is hardly a basis for game development related decisions.

Then they should not listen to anything that is said in a forum. Afterall, what is feedback? Who needs that to improve a game?

[SalsaDMA]

InviolateNK wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...
Oh dear...there are str8, gay and bisexual people who like to play ME. ME 3 is not gonna be only for str8 ones, what they want and what they don't mind. It's gonna be a game for everyone's tastes and likings. Simple as that and normally it shouldn't be an issue at all.

Okay, lets play along with this line of thinking. What about all of the other groups of people who aren't represented?

You cannot possibly hope to represented the interests of everybody in the world who wants to play this game.

Yes, some "likings" and "actions" actually require medical treatment according to official medical science and / or punishment according to criminal law. That is something way beyond this forum and ME, so why even mention it. I made my point clear about what I meant by "everybody". And enough about it.

That actually depends on location and the laws governing the area. You'd be surprised about some areas, it sounds like...

Eidt: Not to mention, ofc, that I seem to recall having heard a fair share of martyrdom from homosexuals about having been dogmatized by scientists in the past about having 'needed medical treatment' to 'get rid of their sexuality'... Which really puts down your first part about 'requiring medical treatment'...

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 16 mai 2011 - 08:27 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Saeran wrote...
Pointless argument is pointless. Homosexuality isn't illegal.

In some countries it is, and to take the politically correct view, who are we to impose our cultural values on them?