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[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...
It's rather amuzing how you're trying to draw the line now, as if you have the moral high ground to say such a thing. Also not getting contented suited for your personal tastes isn't discrimination.

I haven't actually seen anyone use the word discrimination in these arguments and I most certainly have not used it when arguing why I would like to see more homosexuality in Mass Effect.

To assume that everyone who would like to see gay options has victim complex and yells about injustice, is just as childish as those who are quick to call others homophobes.

You, however, have proved to be both childish and phobic.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 mai 2011 - 08:26 .

[James2912]

Saeran wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

If that's the case, then you are also implying non discrimination against people who may like varren or child-like genitalia over others... wouldn't you say?  It's also safe to say that (as an alien race), both can consent right?

Pointless argument is pointless. Homosexuality isn't illegal.

Uhm your assuming everyone here lives in america, there are many countries around the world where homosexuality is illegal, namely the middle east. You wouldn't believe how many gay arab men give up everything to move to Israel in order to be free from religous law. I'm a libertarian so I say let people do what they want with their lives and bodies as long as they don't hurt other people!

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Saeran wrote...
This particular area got the majorities support and BioWare's support... And Charlie Sheen's bro.

The "majority" of a forum is hardly a basis for game development related decisions.

Can I ask exactly why you've got your knickers in a bunch over all this? You seem to be fighting this everywhere. Are you genuinely uncomfortable with s/s content?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 mai 2011 - 08:33 .

[JediMB]

Mars Nova wrote...

1-M/M romances must be, like all other romances, completely optional, with no penalty for rejection. I've heard about what happened in Dragon Age II where you had to either sleep with that one guy or get hit with rivalry points.

This is bull. Anders might not come onto you at all depending on how you treat him, and if you oh-so-desperately want to avoid the Rivalry points when he does come onto you you can simply accept what he says as a compliment and then never hear from him about it again.

You have to actually actively flirt with him in order for him to approach you in your home, and even at that point it's still possible to reject him. That far into the game it's perfectly possible to have maxed out Friendship with him, so rejecting him won't even net you any Rivalry points.

Mars Nova wrote...

2-M/M romances must be initated by the player with specific, clearly marked dialogue options, like "I want you" or "I love you," etc. I don't want the game to flag me as gay just because I'm trying to be nice to my squadmates.

Only if the same thing applies to F/M and F/F romances. I'm sure there are plenty of gay people who don't want the game to flag them as straight just because they're trying to be nice to their squadmates.

Mars Nova wrote...

3-Any character who expresses same-sex interest in Shepard must do so in a way that does not break up the narrative and/or previous characterization of said character. Example: Assuming Thane is in ME3, having him suddenly be interested in male Shepard would be contrived and forced. He was DYING in ME2, if he was interested in Shepard, he would have said so then. So basically, no retconning previously established characters that have never given any indication of being interested in same-sex Shepard.

This I can agree with. Thane in particular made his affections for FemShep known to the player before any flirting went on in the other direction, so I can't see him being interested in ManShep in ME3. However, for several other characters BioWare could easily write in some sort of explanation for why they didn't act on possible S/S relationships earlier.

[Reapinger]

Russalka wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
It's rather amuzing how you're trying to draw the line now, as if you have the moral high ground to say such a thing. Also not getting contented suited for your personal tastes isn't discrimination.

I haven't actually seen anyone use the word discrimination in these arguments and I most certainly have not used it when arguing why I would like to see more homosexuality in Mass Effect.

To assume that everyone who would like to see gay options has victim complex and yells about injustice, is just as childish as those who are quick to call others homophobes.

You, however, have proved to be both childish and phobic.

I'd like to see more heterosexuality? How about that?

[lolfanboi]

Why make a vague comment if it just starts wild speculation?

[Blacklash93]

Reapinger wrote...

I'd like to see more heterosexuality? How about that?

There was and still will be plenty of that.

[Saeran]

InviolateNK wrote...

Im sorry for people in those areas if they won't be able to buy ME 3 where they live

It contains homosexuality already. Why would it banned now?

[James2912]

TIM better be a gay romance option he is the only man I'd go gay for! Time for my shep to don his pink armor and claim his man!

[Saeran]

Reapinger wrote...

I'd like to see more heterosexuality? How about that?

Like... Miranda, Tali, Jack and Ashley? And you want more? 

[Reapinger]

James2912 wrote...

TIM better be a gay romance option he is the only man I'd go gay for! Time for my shep to don his pink armor and claim his man!

:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

[Inquisitor Recon]

Russalka wrote...
I haven't actually seen anyone use the word discrimination in these arguments and I most certainly have not used it when arguing why I would like to see more homosexuality in Mass Effect.

To assume that everyone who would like to see gay options has victim complex and yells about injustice, is just as childish as those who are quick to call others homophobes.

You, however, have proved to be both childish and phobic.

Really now? Just browse through your "fight for the love" topic, I'm sure you'll find more than enough complaints about "discrimination" and so forth.

It's pretty obvious there is a victim complex here, one doesn't have to look very hard to see it. So many of your allies rely on guilting others into supporting you. And for somebody who thinks it is "childish" to call other people homophobes, you certainly don't let that effect your judgements I see.

I am childish and phobic? Well then if we are exchanging our opinions I happen to think you're a spoiled, over-entitled, arrogant heterophobe who has a grudge against society. Of course I am sure you value my opinion as much as I value your own, as in not very much at all.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 16 mai 2011 - 08:36 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Saeran wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

The line is consent. And not discriminating people for liking certain human genitalia over others.

If that's the case, then you are also implying non discrimination against people who may like varren or child-like genitalia over others... wouldn't you say?  It's also safe to say that (as an alien race), both can consent right?

Pointless argument is pointless. Homosexuality isn't illegal.

Yes it is, in some places.  Also, I am absolutely making a point with this arguement.  I'm also sure you can figure out what that point is.  I've said my peace on this issue.

We'll see what happens, but I hope Bioware exercises discretion with this in the final game.

[Saeran]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Yes it is, in some places.  Also, I am absolutely making a point with this arguement.  I'm also sure you can figure out what that point is.  I've said my peace on this issue.

We'll see what happens, but I hope Bioware exercises discretion with this in the final game.

And as I say, it's already in the game. Why would it affect it even more?

[Reapinger]

Saeran wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

I'd like to see more heterosexuality? How about that?

Like... Miranda, Tali, Jack and Ashley? And you want more? 

Moar, and since we are talking about homosexual love interests, I want more heterosexual ones. Do you have a problem with my sexuality?

[James2912]

 TIM baby I'm comin!
http://t0.gstatic.co...fH5XxSoFpJrYs1w

[Saeran]

Reapinger wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

I'd like to see more heterosexuality? How about that?

Like... Miranda, Tali, Jack and Ashley? And you want more? 

Moar, and since we are talking about homosexual love interests, I want more heterosexual ones. Do you have a problem with my sexuality?

No. I don't. You should go start a thread asking for whatever female character you would like. If you get the support more power to you.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Saeran wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Yes it is, in some places.  Also, I am absolutely making a point with this arguement.  I'm also sure you can figure out what that point is.  I've said my peace on this issue.

We'll see what happens, but I hope Bioware exercises discretion with this in the final game.

And as I say, it's already in the game. Why would it affect it even more?

ME3 will mark the first time where a character will be able to give and recieve reproductive cells in an activity where no reproduction is possible. 

[punky482]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Yes it is, in some places.  Also, I am absolutely making a point with this arguement.  I'm also sure you can figure out what that point is.  I've said my peace on this issue.

We'll see what happens, but I hope Bioware exercises discretion with this in the final game.

And as I say, it's already in the game. Why would it affect it even more?

ME3 will mark the first time where a character will be able to give and recieve reproductive cells in an activity where no reproduction is possible. 

WARNING DO NO HAVE SEX FOR PLEASURE, SEX WITH A STERILE MAN IS WRONG, SEX WITH AN INFIRTILE WOMAN IS A SIN.

Modifié par punky482, 16 mai 2011 - 08:45 .

[AlexMBrennan]

I think it would be a little weird if religious Ashley would become a lesbian

Could you please point out where it says (in the Bible or your equivalent holy book) that f/f is evil? I, never actually having read more than isolated bits of the bible, think that all "homosexuality is a sin" comments specifically refer to m/m. That is, to a degree, reflected in the law as well (e.g. f/f was never illegal in the UK)

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

Really now? Just browse through your "fight for the love" topic, I'm sure you'll find more than enough complaints about "discrimination" and so forth.

Pretty sure you weren't looking at the same thread I was. All that was going on was a 300+ page community monologue offering arguments against the exclusion of s/s content. There was some frustration in there, but the most that was claimed against Bioware was it's double standard.

Those arguments won out, as you can see.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 16 mai 2011 - 08:45 .