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[Epic Legion]

I like how people think that romances are important part of this game.

It's not a romance simulator ffs.

[Ryzaki]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I support the principle of having same sex romance options. I don't support making old romances that weren't same sex romances before suddenly into the same sex now, other than maybe Jack.

No Kaidan and Ashley never stated flat out said they were not BI, but they were obviously not attracted to both Shepards.

You can make up anything really that wasn't explicitly denied. Ashley could have been born a man for all I know, that doesn't mean she should be written that way all of a sudden.

I also think that everyone being Shepardsexual would be kind of silly. Yeah I know it can happen but not to the degree it would need to in ME 3 with everyone around the same person begin attracted to them regardless of orientation. Besides, anyone who didn't romance Shepard in the first two games would already know Shepard, and they obviously weren't Shepardsexual before.

Frankly, if the situations were reversed and Shepard was a guy who could apparently turn lesbians straight, I can't imagine there would be a positive reception to such a notion.

That's good then since even if everyone tuned bisexual they wouldn't stop liking opposite gendered Shepards.

So one can't really compare it to turning lesbians straight. Turning lesbians bisexual on the other hand. Now that's just fine with me.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 mai 2011 - 11:23 .

[Volus Warlord]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Hm, I think I've changed my mind about this game.

I know, right?

I may just have to buy two copies now.

Not exactly what I meant. Your fanboyism will gain you nothing.

[Someone With Mass]

Some subtlety in the eventual change in sexual preferences would be nice.

[PlumPaul93]

I cringed when I read this. Hopefully they implement it well and don't just say: hey garrus wants ya nuts all of a sudden...

[AdmiralCheez]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Not exactly what I meant. Your fanboyism will gain you nothing.

It'll offset the loss of you not purchasing the game so that net profit remains equal, thus encouraging Bioware to continue to include s/s romance in future games.

Bwahaha.

[Volus Warlord]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Not exactly what I meant. Your fanboyism will gain you nothing.

It'll offset the loss of you not purchasing the game so that net profit remains equal, thus encouraging Bioware to continue to include s/s romance in future games.

Bwahaha.

Feel free. It's your money.

Not mine. I'm really tempted to give up on Bioware entirely at this point.

[MouseNo4]

I still believe that BioWare set the standard in ME1 in terms of same sex romances. F-F was (technically, if you call Liara female as her race does not possess males) possible in ME1. M-M final game, was not. (though i hear it was originally possible, however it got removed for whatever reason.

That does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that M-M should not be possible. No, it just means that the guys who put 2 sticks together and ended up with a game - did not/chose not to make M-M romances available. It should have ended there, as the game designers are god when it comes to the design of THEIR game.

TL;DR - Should M-M romances have been possible? According to some, yes. According to BW, no. People see judgements and attacks upon themselves even when one does not exist.

[MICHELLE7]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I support the principle of having same sex romance options. I don't support making old romances that weren't same sex romances before suddenly into the same sex now, other than maybe Jack.

No Kaidan and Ashley never stated flat out said they were not BI, but they were obviously not attracted to both Shepards.

You can make up anything really that wasn't explicitly denied. Ashley could have been born a man for all I know, that doesn't mean she should be written that way all of a sudden.

I agree...BW made the decision to make them the way they were in the first two games...they are flip flopping more than politicians. If they had started out that way I wouldn't have a problem with it and I don't have a problem with new LI's have s/s romances but to just change midstream...doesn't work for me.

[Volus Warlord]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

*snip*

I agree...BW made the decision to make them the way they were in the first two games...they are flip flopping more than politicians. If they had started out that way I wouldn't have a problem with it and I don't have a problem with new LI's have s/s romances but to just change midstream...doesn't work for me.

Ashley turned bi when she got her implants. Mental effects of the silicone.

[Shadowrun1177]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I support the principle of having same sex romance options. I don't support making old romances that weren't same sex romances before suddenly into the same sex now, other than maybe Jack.

No Kaidan and Ashley never stated flat out said they were not BI, but they were obviously not attracted to both Shepards.

You can make up anything really that wasn't explicitly denied. Ashley could have been born a man for all I know, that doesn't mean she should be written that way all of a sudden.

I agree...BW made the decision to make them the way they were in the first two games...they are flip flopping more than politicians. If they had started out that way I wouldn't have a problem with it and I don't have a problem with new LI's have s/s romances but to just change midstream...doesn't work for me.

I agree with both of you on this subject. I'm not against same sex romances, but not looking forward to the possiblity of already established characters suddenly being bi after two games. 

[SilentNukee]

Dude, they aren't going to FORCE it upon you like that.
They SPECIFICALLY said that it depends on how you handled your conversations with them in previous games. Were you sort of flirtatious with them somehow? Then maybe that's when the option will show up, otherwise I'm sure you just won't see it at all.

[Abispa]

It is NOT uncommon for romances to develop in intense military situations between people of the same sex, even when neither member showed signs of being homosexual. When I was in the military, before and after "Don't ask, don't tell," this was an issue that came up a lot, especially since we're involved in two major conflicts.

Armies throughout history have dealt with this in three ways: 1) ignore it (modern Israel and Western Europe), 2) prosecute it (the US and the Islamic world), or 3) embrace it (Greece, Rome and Sparta). While some homophobic societies can be downright brutal in trying to stop it, some believed it encouraged cohesion in fighting men.

Technically, this has already happened in ME2. Garrus has admitted that he was "never into aliens," but his time with Shepard has conditioned him to softening his view on sex between entirely different species.

Wouldn't most of us, myself included, become ill if Shepard had sex with a monkey? Yet she has more genetically in common with a tailed primate than she does with Garrus. Several characters had commented that Turians are incredibly sensitive to human germs and Mordin warned Shepard that dealing with Garrus' bodily fluids could be unpleasant for her.

Granted, it would seem awkward if previously established characters suddenly made overt passes or made same-sex Shepard act like femShep did when she first talked to Jacob on board the Normandy (one of the reasons I think so many "hate" Jacob is because femShep automatically went into heat during that conversation whether you wanted to or not). It was awkward when Jack, for no apparent reason, suddenly decided she wasn't a "girl's club" type of person even though she admitted to lesbian flings in her past (she hardly seems the type to have a religious conversion). If a previously established character did show romantic interest, I hope Bioware has the character explain their new preference like Garrus did.

[PlumPaul93]

SilentNukee wrote...

Dude, they aren't going to FORCE it upon you like that.
They SPECIFICALLY said that it depends on how you handled your conversations with them in previous games. Were you sort of flirtatious with them somehow? Then maybe that's when the option will show up, otherwise I'm sure you just won't see it at all.

I'd certainly hope so. I don't want characters who have been a certain way through 2 games (in my eyes) hitting on shepard if he never hit on them.

[Bryy_Miller]

Epic Legion wrote...

I like how people think that romances are important part of this game.

BUT MATURE STORIES HAVE ROMANCES.
</Common Generalization about maturity in stories>

[Luvinn]

If ALL characters that were in ME2 are coming back for ME3 to some extent, im willing to bet Samara will be a M + F love interest. At least i hope so, after that brick wall (biotic wall) she hit me with in ME2. *forever alone face*

And its not exactly like Bioware is flip-floppin on the same sex romances. I mean it is possible for Shepard to go through the first two games without getting romantically involved, thus making his sexual orientation unknown. With what is looking like some intense emotional stuff going on in ME3, i would suppose its possible that shep would finally become romantically involved. Besides no one is forcing you to do romances in general. I personally support that people should be able to make the exact Shep that they want.

Modifié par Luvinn, 15 mai 2011 - 11:52 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ryzaki wrote...

That's good then since even if everyone tuned bisexual they wouldn't stop liking opposite gendered Shepards.

So one can't really compare it to turning lesbians straight. Turning lesbians bisexual on the other hand. Now that's just fine with me.

Well I suppose I should have said "turning lesbians straight but only for him" but that sounded awkward. Still, maybe not as much as there would be for literally turning lesbians straight, but making a character that is essentially the one and only man than lesbian characters would sleep seems to me that it would be the type of thing that would get a lot of negative attention for being something that panders to male fantasies.

At the end of the day though, even if it was "turning lesbians straight" is the basic principle really that different? A lesbian or a straight woman still aren't into both genders any more than they would be just into men or women respectively.

mrsph wrote...

You can have sex with a dinosaur.

I think gay romances are pretty tame after that.

Yeah but they didn't turn humans into dinosaurs in the thrid game.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 15 mai 2011 - 11:55 .

[Mir5]

michaelrsa wrote...

/v/ will be thrilled.

They already are.

As long as there won't be DA2 grade leg-humping, I'm fine with this.

Also, I don't understand why people are so damn obsessive about the romances, were they for or against them.
 Of course they shouldn't take over the damn game, and the option to skip them shouldn't be as empty as the option to skip a quest, but it taps into pretty basic human emotions, just like these world-saving plots, and adds a nice variance to the emotion spectrum the game offers.

Modifié par Mir5, 15 mai 2011 - 11:58 .

[Volus Warlord]

Mir5 wrote...

michaelrsa wrote...

/v/ will be thrilled.

They already are.

As long as there won't be DA2 grade leg-humping, I'm fine with this.

Well, they're all gonna be hastily slapped together so that everyone gets to **** their favorite character... that's a lot of crap to put together.. lol.

I'd rather kill the vast majority of them than **** them.