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[crimzontearz]

Antivenger wrote...
Just pointing it out here, Garrus and Tali were made romances because of the overwhelming number of players who wanted them as love interests.

AKA, Fan-service.

Very few people seemed to complain then, even though there were no signs of attraction in ME1

just pointing out that the devs admitted in a dev Diary that Tali was to be a romanceable character in ME1 but it was pulled at the last minute because they thought "who would want to romance a girl with chicken legs?"

just saying...

Kaiden was supposed to be also romanceable in S/S manner in ME1 but it was pulled too...the Dialogue is still hidden in the game.

[Whereto]

InviolateNK wrote...

Whereto wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Whereto wrote...
Wow, why does there need to be same sex romances... Like seriously, it doesn't add anything to the game, exept something for pre teens to laugh at.

Because apparently developers can be influenced by enough complaining or political correctness guilt trips. Adds nothing for the rest of us but if you don't like it you're a bigot.

It adds something to the game for a small minority of people. Is there anything wrong with that, though? It's not like you lose much at their gain.

And Bioware did not cave in. They could have ignored the gay community here and have been none the worse for it. It was their call the whole time.

So they waste development time on something that will only be laughed at by teenagers. Can you seriously tell me that putting these sort of relationships in a game is good. You can argue all you like that there is people in this community that are gay, and im fine with that, but they arent very large. If there was a larger community attatched to this, i would be fine with it, as it would serve a purpose, but like i said before, you just inviting people to laugh at these sort of relationships with such little gain that its pointless. 

Troll alert!

Not a troll sorry, but your very welcome to continue calling people with different opinons a troll if you wish:wizard:

[Autoclave]

Bioware if you add same sex relationships in ME3, can i kindly ask you to implement some sort of
"me3.exe -NoGayShep" 

I don't want my sanity to suffer when I see gay dialog options.

Modifié par Autoclave, 16 mai 2011 - 12:55 .

[crimzontearz]

so uhm...

just out of curiosity....

The Data Bioware got from ME2 is that the VAST majority of people played MaleShepard. So...should Bioware cut off femshepard altogether because it?

[Whereto]

InviolateNK wrote...



There are less gay players than heterosexual ones, that's true. But saying that due to that fact allowing a male Shepard to romance other male characters is pointless and a waste of development time is kinda more than just a different opinion.

So allowing you to have a relationship with another guy or girl adds what to the game as a hole? beside of course the endless youtube clips and writing time that could other wise be used for different uses within the game. So sorry your troll claim is still unfounded and my lovely opinon is still relevant

[Someone With Mass]

Don't like it, don't do it. Simple.

[Sailears]

I have no problem with this - I imagine it will make a lot of people happy.

My only concern now is about engaging in dialogue with any of these characters, based on how easy it was to fall into those romance traps in ME1/2 - so much so that you go out of your way NOT to talk to those characters...

As long as it is completely clear which dialogue options will trigger the romance, and which will simply result in a standard friend relationship, then it  is all good.

Modifié par Curunen, 16 mai 2011 - 01:39 .

[Darth Death]

Autoclave wrote...

Bioware if you add same sex relationships in ME3, can i kindly ask you to implement some sort of
"me3.exe -NoGayShep" 

I don't want my sanity to suffer when I see gay dialog options.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Jonathan Shepard]

So they delayed the game for three months to add in something that made the DA2 romances bland? Wonderful. /sarcasm

[Antivenger]

crimzontearz wrote...

just pointing out that the devs admitted in a dev Diary that Tali was to be a romanceable character in ME1 but it was pulled at the last minute because they thought "who would want to romance a girl with chicken legs?"

just saying...

Kaiden was supposed to be also romanceable in S/S manner in ME1 but it was pulled too...the Dialogue is still hidden in the game.

Tali romance didn't make ME1 cut? One of many, many ideas that were pulled out. Plus them thinking "who would want to romance a girl with chicken legs" pretty much confirms it's fan service.

Kaidan and Ash were both considered for a bi romance. That's what I want too So many people are complaining that the characters being bi would be retcon (I think Tali and Thane both stated their heterosexuality, though) yet most had no problem with other fan service.

[Bourne Endeavor]

InviolateNK wrote...

Whereto wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...



There are less gay players than heterosexual ones, that's true. But saying that due to that fact allowing a male Shepard to romance other male characters is pointless and a waste of development time is kinda more than just a different opinion.

So allowing you to have a relationship with another guy or girl adds what to the game as a hole? beside of course the endless youtube clips and writing time that could other wise be used for different uses within the game. So sorry your troll claim is still unfounded and my lovely opinon is still relevant

It adds a ton of awesomeness to what is already the best rpg/action game already  There's a lot of games where your simply told what to do next and you go do it. Sam Fisher or Agent 47, for example. Their strictly straight in every possible meaning, they simply get another assignment and they do it. Final assignment -> game over. There's more to ME than that. Get it now?

While his opinion is admittedly poorly worded, it is not without merit. The probability these potential alternative relationships will reduce dialogue content is quite high. We have only Garrus in ME2 to reference to for our example. Will BioWare go the extra mile to incorporate the trifecta: a heterosexual, homosexual and platonic arc? They have proven in the past on a number of occasions the answer is no, and thus dialogue is lost if you do not wish to pursue a romance.

If they are willing to steer the ship upriver and implement it all. Cheers, otherwise the majority is who suffers to appeal to a niche group, and therefore have a right to complain.

[Ryzaki]

We already got confirmation that there's actual friendship paths now.
Which frankly was necessary. I shouldn't have to sleep with someone to get some additional backstory. That's weak. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

Ryzaki wrote...

We already got confirmation that there's actual friendship paths now.
Which frankly was necessary. I shouldn't have to sleep with someone to get some additional backstory. That's weak. 

When was this, and could you provide a link? If so, then my concerns have been dealt with.

[yesikareyes]

Malisin wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

To introduce same-sex late in the game would blow a huge chunk of character development. In clarity, I don't oppose same sex in any game I just oppose it being implemented this late.

It's people like you and attitudes like this that are the reason why Kaidan was so afraid to profess his love for your ManShep!

Hater.

Please tell me you read what I posted with full competence. I said I didn't oppose the idea just the timing of it. 

[Valo_Soren]

"While I respect what Bioware is trying to do on paper, in practice, this seems somewhat problematic. If similar relationships had been featured in ME 1 & 2, it would have made sense for Bioware to continue to focus their resources on developing the established romantic interests. As it stands however, Bioware seems poised to repeat one of the blunders of Dragon Age II: giving the player the illusion of choice by creating a cut & paste romance for both straight and gay players (near-identical dialogue). The bigger issue here, however, would be a narrative one. In the first two games, playing as a male Shepard left you the option of choosing from several female love interests. As such, it would be highly unusual for Shepard to undergo such a rapid, inexplicable change in sexual orientation. In short, it would be completely inconsistent with Shepard's characterization up to that point. Of course, all of this presumes that someone accessed this content by pursuing a gay relationship with one of the characters.

I personally thought it was an unusual decision to make every relationship straight/gay in Dragon Age II. While it definitely cut costs by removing the need for additional relationships (something Bioware themselves admitted in an interview), it seemed to arbitrarily mold characters to the player's preference, becoming an exercise in wish fulfillment instead of embracing a sense of realism (i.e. giving the characters a well-defined sexual identity). To cite an example, many gay gamers were disappointed when they tried to woo Jack in Mass Effect 2 only to be met with rejection. While many complained, it challenged stereotypes of tough, somewhat 'butch' women being lesbians and created a nuanced, vulnerable character that defied player expectations. True to life, not all men and women are bisexual, why should characters in video games be any different? If Bioware truly sought to provide a game experience that satisfied all gamers, regardless of their sexual orientation, they would give all of their characters distinct identities--not only would their characterizations be more consistent, but they would provide tailor-made experiences for both straight and gay gamers." -a quote I happen to agree with from someone on IGN.

[yesikareyes]

@Valo_Soren


AGREED 100 %. Anyone else?

[Ryzaki]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

We already got confirmation that there's actual friendship paths now.
Which frankly was necessary. I shouldn't have to sleep with someone to get some additional backstory. That's weak. 

When was this, and could you provide a link? If so, then my concerns have been dealt with.

http://twitter.com/#...848012960174080

"#ME3 writing team has some great ideas for breaking the mold on char. interactions, which should add to non romance relationship."

Frankly I was getting sick of being forced to talk to only the males and Tali in ME1. 

[Valo_Soren]

"The glory about Mass Effect is you don't have to romance anyone if you don't want to. If same-sex relationships make you uncomfortable then don't engage in one. Bioware creates "choose-your-own-adventure" games. Gay and Lesbian relationships are simply a logical step towards that end. I didn't know that same sex relationships were possible with the female Shepard. *NERD ALERT* I don't count the Asari cause they are unisex." -though I agree with this one too.

[Valo_Soren]

I'm on the fence about this decision, obviously I will pursue my imported relationships with no hassle. Just doesn't make much sense to me that male shep would suddenly decide to bat for the other team but the choose your own adventure aspect is what makes these games great and if you don't want it, don't choose it.

However I still can't help but lean towards the quoted text I posted earlier. Integrity of story is a concern here.

Modifié par Valo_Soren, 16 mai 2011 - 02:13 .

[Valo_Soren]

yesikareyes wrote...

@Valo_Soren


AGREED 100 %. Anyone else?

We need a strong narrative focus in some fashion. Sexual identities are important. Part of me says 'well i don't have to choose it' the other part of me is worried about the writing.

[Valo_Soren]

This obviously won't deter me from playing what is going to be the epic big bang ending for an epic trilogy of games.