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[TEWR]

Plaintiff wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

One of the main problems is how parents cater to the temper tantrum whims of their children just to avoid a scene in Wal-Mart, Gamestop, Best Buy, etc.

I'm not saying show us a scene where everyone is naked and doing it in every hole they can find, but definitely give us a classy scene with some skin before fading to black. Or at least show them in the process of taking off the clothes.

Sex is normal. It's a part of humanity just like anything else.

I'm not opposed to more graphic sex scenes in video games, but I think it's unfair to put the pressure on Bioware when nobody else is really making a great leap ahead in this issue.

Sex being 'normal'  isn't really an argument for including it. Paying taxes and taking a leak are normal, but video games rarely show those either. What's the real benefit to showing more skin? Would it add to the game in a meaningful way? The mature sexual themes are already present.

It's odd to me that people in this thread are associating nudity to 'maturity'. That's rarely the case, I find. Bayonetta, for instance, is a highly sexualized videogame and nudity, or near-nudity is shown on a frequent basis, but despite its "mature" rating, it's actually quite a juvenile game in terms of its treatment of the subject matter. DA2 is already a much more 'adult' game, even though the characters stay dressed throughout.

I'm not asking just Bioware to do it, but hell even the God of War series shows nudity and they're able to keep the M rating! They don't show the act of lovemaking itself, but they do show the women being naked or at least topless. Then once you start the sex, it just fades off to showing a little statue or vase while you play a minigame of Kratos having sex.

Most people might call God of War juvenile and just a hack-and-slash game, but it's got one of the best emotionally driven stories out there.

Nudity can be mature, though it takes talent to make it so.

Really, all it really needs is to show the clothes being taken off. It doesn't have to show the characters sans any clothes at all, but at least show them working to remove the clothes.

[Pandaman102]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

I'd say people are more opposed to sex in media because kids are more likely (and already "equipped") to have sex with each other than they are to try and kill each other. Sex in the media would have a seemingly more prominent effect than violence because people already have a biological urge to procreate. essentially it's trying to stifle as much of that sexual urge that pubescant children have as possible.

Except children are already "equipped" to kill as well. A ten year old's hands can hold a rock, knife, or firearm just fine - and there's plenty of documented evidence that child soldiers tend to be much more brutal than their adult counterparts because they learn the act of killing is a social "norm" long before they develop a healthy sense of empathy or understand the consequences of their actions.

I agree that neither should be exposed to children, especially children who no longer have the benefit of parental guidance, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether they're "equipped" or not.

[Nepenthe87]

Pandaman102 wrote...

Nepenthe87 wrote...

I'd say people are more opposed to sex in media because kids are more likely (and already "equipped") to have sex with each other than they are to try and kill each other. Sex in the media would have a seemingly more prominent effect than violence because people already have a biological urge to procreate. essentially it's trying to stifle as much of that sexual urge that pubescant children have as possible.

Except children are already "equipped" to kill as well. A ten year old's hands can hold a rock, knife, or firearm just fine - and there's plenty of documented evidence that child soldiers tend to be much more brutal than their adult counterparts because they learn the act of killing is a social "norm" long before they develop a healthy sense of empathy or understand the consequences of their actions.

I agree that neither should be exposed to children, especially children who no longer have the benefit of parental guidance, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether they're "equipped" or not.

There isnt a biological urge to kill though. People kill because of survival, anger, fear, plain evilness, not becuase there is a bilogical clock ticking in them that says "kill". there is one that says "screw;" that is the point I was trying to make. Sex is more censored becasue people are already bioligically predisposed to do it. Seeing sex in media is considered something along the lines of enabling.

that is the point i was trying to make. People are biologically disposed and "naturally/biologically equipped" to have sex. I used a better term so you dont have to nitpick my one comment and can then read the entire idea i presented.

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 16 mai 2011 - 03:30 .

[Boiny Bunny]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

If the game had a full-fledged sex scene in it then it would be given an A/O rating.

No major distributor (gamestop, best buy, walmart) puts A/O games on their shelves. You'd never see the game anywhere if the series were A/O.

they'd have to literrally distribute the game themselves to get it out and that would be incredibly hard.

It would sell 50,000 copies at most and be a complete and utter failure.

Have you seen any of the 'adult' content that The Witcher 2 contains?  It IS being stocked by all major distributors, and in my opinion, will most likely outsell Dragon Age 2 easily over a year.

[Nepenthe87]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Nepenthe87 wrote...

If the game had a full-fledged sex scene in it then it would be given an A/O rating.

No major distributor (gamestop, best buy, walmart) puts A/O games on their shelves. You'd never see the game anywhere if the series were A/O.

they'd have to literrally distribute the game themselves to get it out and that would be incredibly hard.

It would sell 50,000 copies at most and be a complete and utter failure.

Have you seen any of the 'adult' content that The Witcher 2 contains?  It IS being stocked by all major distributors, and in my opinion, will most likely outsell Dragon Age 2 easily over a year.

I remember a lightly censored version of the witcher for the U.S. release. I also remember that polish laws =/= other countries laws. I will be surprised if U.S. get a fully uncensored game since it is rated "M". Games that have even exposed breasts do not get rated M in the U.S Unless it's extremely stylised (i.e Demonic or angelic figures, these get a pass for some reason).

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 16 mai 2011 - 03:35 .

[TEWR]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Nepenthe87 wrote...

If the game had a full-fledged sex scene in it then it would be given an A/O rating.

No major distributor (gamestop, best buy, walmart) puts A/O games on their shelves. You'd never see the game anywhere if the series were A/O.

they'd have to literrally distribute the game themselves to get it out and that would be incredibly hard.

It would sell 50,000 copies at most and be a complete and utter failure.

Have you seen any of the 'adult' content that The Witcher 2 contains?  It IS being stocked by all major distributors, and in my opinion, will most likely outsell Dragon Age 2 easily over a year.

I remember a lightly censored version of the witcher for the U.S. release. I also remember that polish laws =/= other countries laws. I will be surprised if U.S. get a fully uncensored game since it is rated "M". Games that have even exposed breasts do not get rated M in the U.S Unless it's extremely stylised (i.e Demonic or angelic figures, these get a pass for some reason).

Wrong and maybe right. The God of War series has exposed human breasts and it's rated M for Mature in the U.S. So not all games.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 mai 2011 - 03:39 .

[Nepenthe87]

yeah i remembered god of war after i posted that. Cant remember if they kept the areola in in that scene. It all seems to come down to that.

I really was just recalling the whole "hot coffee" fiasco and what a storm that caused.

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 16 mai 2011 - 03:44 .

[TEWR]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

yeah i remembered god of war after i posted that. Cant remember if they kept the areola in in that scene. It all seems to come down to that.

I really was just recalling the whole "hot coffee" fiasco and what a storm that caused.

hot coffee fiasco?


I'd say video games aren't A/O all the time for exposed breasts. I don't know of any disgruntled idiot parents lashing out against God of War.

Dante's Inferno also showed breasts and kept an M rating.

[Pandaman102]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

There isnt a biological urge to kill though. People kill because of survival, anger, fear, plain evilness, not becuase there is a bilogical clock ticking in them that says "kill". there is one that says "screw;" that is the point I was trying to make. Sex is more censored becasue people are already bioligically predisposed to do it. Seeing sex in media is considered something along the lines of enabling.

that is the point i was trying to make. People are biologically disposed and "naturally/biologically equipped" to have sex. I used a better term so you dont have to nitpick my one comment and can then read the entire idea i presented.

Sorry if it came across as nitpicking, I did misunderstand because of the equipped/predisposed distinction, but such are the limitations of language without mind reading .

Obviously it's within any living organism's nature to reproduce and providing inappropriate stimuli has a high potential of causing a lot of problems, but conversely there are concepts that children typically do not comprehend yet (such as empathy, consequences, death, etc.) that makes them particularly vulnerable to being inadvertently taught that violence is a social norm. So all I'm saying is early exposure to sex isn't worse than early exposure to violence: the former has the danger of encouraging sexually irresponsible behavior while the latter has the danger of reducing inhibitions on violent behavior.

Just as an aside, because I'm rather uncomfortable about how that can be interpreted, I'm not spewing some Jack Thompson-level crap; I think it's fine if kids are exposed to depictions of sex and violence that don't glorify the subjects (or cause them to soil their pants and drive them to gibbering insomnia, for that matter) as long as the parents are responsible and reinforce positive moral beliefs. I don't believe anything influences children more than their parents, provided their parents are actually influencing them at all.

Modifié par Pandaman102, 16 mai 2011 - 04:05 .

[Nepenthe87]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Nepenthe87 wrote...

yeah i remembered god of war after i posted that. Cant remember if they kept the areola in in that scene. It all seems to come down to that.

I really was just recalling the whole "hot coffee" fiasco and what a storm that caused.

hot coffee fiasco?


I'd say video games aren't A/O all the time for exposed breasts. I don't know of any disgruntled idiot parents lashing out against God of War.

Dante's Inferno also showed breasts and kept an M rating.

hot coffee was a thing that was in the code for one of the grand theft auto games but inaccessible to anyone who didn physically go in an alter it so they could see the scene.

Basically your character was invited by your love interest for hot coffee. then a sex scene showing exposed breasts proceeds. the anti-games people went insane and the developer was sued out the butt by the government and i think the PC versions of the game were given an A/O rating since that was the version the scene was accessible on.

just google grand theft auto hot coffee and you'll find it.

Most of the time you see full breasts they are extremely stylised some times to the point of being almost non-human. Even in DA there are a pair of unexposed breasts... attached to a disgusting bloated demon factory.

Like i said demons and things get a pass. and unwritten rule seems to be "naked boobies are okay, but only if they are trying to murder you"

Maybe i should be more specific "you dont see exposed breast and sexual acts/positions in the same scene and get an M rating"

HUGE EDIT: I just remembered a game that actually had a naked strip joint as DLC for buying it so Im guess Im way off base and boobies are semi-okay in games now, hooray for boobies!

Modifié par Nepenthe87, 16 mai 2011 - 04:19 .

[TEWR]

oh now I remember that fiasco. I had never heard it called by that name, but I do remember the actual story about it on the news. I was flipping through the channels and saw it a few seconds after it started.

[Chuvvy]

MorrigansLove wrote...

I thought Dragon Age 2 was an 18 certificate?

Side boob is waaaaay to much skin for someone who's eighteen. You know, you can vote, smoke and get shot at for money when you're eighteen. But animated sideboob? No sir.

[Chuvvy]

Nepenthe87 wrote...


breasts covered and doing sexual acts = ok, M rating

breasts exposed and not doing sexual acts = ok, M rating

breasts exposed and doing sexual acts = not ok, A/O rating

This makes me rage so goddamn hard. I can go see a PG-13 movie and see real ****** and no one says anything. Probably because I'm over thirteen. Anyway, you can see Antonio Banderas pounding Angelina Jolie in Original sin (finally watched it, average) and no one says anything. Why? Because it's an R rated movie. But if an M rated game does it. SWEET JESUS THE STARS ARE FALLING AND I THINK I JUST **** MESELF! Or in Eastern Promisies when Viggio goes after a guy with a knife while he's naked. That could NEVER happen in a game. Not anytime soon anyway.

[Pandaman102]

Slidell505 wrote...

This makes me rage so goddamn hard. I can go see a PG-13 movie and see real ****** and no one says anything. Probably because I'm over thirteen. Anyway, you can see Antonio Banderas pounding Angelina Jolie in Original sin (finally watched it, average) and no one says anything. Why? Because it's an R rated movie. But if an M rated game does it. SWEET JESUS THE STARS ARE FALLING AND I THINK I JUST **** MESELF! Or in Eastern Promisies when Viggio goes after a guy with a knife while he's naked. That could NEVER happen in a game. Not anytime soon anyway.

Give it a generation (or three) for American society to grow out of the concept that games and animations are exclusively for children.

[Deztyn]

... I actually just assumed that there wasn't anything more detailed because of resource issues. It would have required an additional unique character model for each love interest if clothes started coming off.

It would have been a total waste of time and effort for a scene that just lasts a few seconds.

Modifié par Deztyn, 16 mai 2011 - 05:13 .

[Chuvvy]

Pandaman102 wrote...


Give it a generation (or three) for American society to grow out of the concept that games and animations are exclusively for children.

Yeah, I know.

[Fieryeel]

The worst thing isn't that we don't get sex scenes in DA2, it's that sex scenes were advertised to be part of the game, and fake screenshots depicting Isabella and Hawke in underwear playing on the bed, naked Fenris and naked femHawke were posted shortly before game release.

Oh the surprise when we played the game and couldn't get those scenes to unlock.

This is how low EA is willing to swoop.

[Plaintiff]

Fieryeel wrote...

The worst thing isn't that we don't get sex scenes in DA2, it's that sex scenes were advertised to be part of the game, and fake screenshots depicting Isabella and Hawke in underwear playing on the bed, naked Fenris and naked femHawke were posted shortly before game release.

Oh the surprise when we played the game and couldn't get those scenes to unlock.

This is how low EA is willing to swoop.

Where are these images?

[TEWR]

19 year old American saying it's not just America!

Sex is rampant in America everywhere. 3 stores on my block will sell you porn. The pre-teens and the teenagers dress.... well... like that.

But we should try and keep away from the political area. The other thread did this and got locked, though I find that talking about sex in video games and politics regarding it kinda go hand in hand. Or rather, well I'm sure you don't need me to paint the picture.

[JnEricsonx]

Fieryeel wrote...

The worst thing isn't that we don't get sex scenes in DA2, it's that sex scenes were advertised to be part of the game, and fake screenshots depicting Isabella and Hawke in underwear playing on the bed, naked Fenris and naked femHawke were posted shortly before game release.

Oh the surprise when we played the game and couldn't get those scenes to unlock.

This is how low EA is willing to swoop.

"And swooping...is...bad."

What?  Someone had to say it first.

[Nadya2]

it has always puzzle me how it is perfectly normal to see dismembered body parts and blood spashes all over but the most mild subtle view of a female or male nude body makes the whole american media go on a rampage of negative critics.  gosh i'm so happy i live in europe all this double moral crap makes me wanna vomit.

good thing european game devs don't have to follow those outragious mega absurd puritans guidelines. (thanks goodness for the witcher )

[Fieryeel]

Plaintiff wrote...
Where are these images?

Yeah so where the f**k did this scene go to?

We were happily thinking - Yeah Bioware's gotten their sh!t back together. Time for ME1-style romance scenes again.

Oh how gullible we were.

Modifié par Fieryeel, 16 mai 2011 - 07:07 .

[TEWR]

I think I see part of her nipple

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 mai 2011 - 07:08 .

[david46]

Nepenthe87 wrote...

HUGE EDIT: I just remembered a game that actually had a naked strip joint as DLC for buying it so Im guess Im way off base and boobies are semi-okay in games now, hooray for boobies!

You want Boobies? Here you go! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby

[Knight of Dane]

Fieryeel wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Where are these images?

Yeah so where the f**k did this scene go to?

We were happily thinking - Yeah Bioware's gotten their sh!t back together. Time for ME1-style romance scenes again.

Oh how gullible we were.

They just removed the clothing when they started kissing, Fenris' is from when Hawke says "Don't leave"



Merrill's is from when Hawke says "Merrill - It's aw-right." Where she turns her head.