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How many times have you started and complete a new playthrough?

Débuté par Pedophille , mai 16 2011 02:37

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:00

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Alistairlover94 wrote...
That or he would realize that the majority who enjoyed Origins dislike DA2. If he could just stop suggesting to "play on hard"Posted Image. (I've beaten the game on Nightmare on my first playthrough!)


I don't think you could really prove that a majority who enjoyed Origins dislike DA2. It'd be interesting to try. (Having said that, anyone who played nightmare on a first playthru has my utmost respect.)

First time, I played combining all difficulties, learning the new mechanics, getting a feel for it etc.

Second time is nightmare only and it's taking a while, but I'm busy and trying to savour it.

I am liking the differences I'm finding between playthrus, the different feel of the nice/nasty dialogue options and the different party mix (including banter.) Would like to say I'll play a 3rd but, with a rather large pile of shame, already, it's rare I even play a game twice these days.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:01

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Not really, Mrcrusty. I tried the suggestions, such as "use purple/green/red only" or mix it up, or rival that one instead of friending, but so far the differences were minimal when compared to having to play through the whole thing again. That's why so many of mine are abandoned.

For one of them, I apparently did it wrong. I didn't manage to hit the magical "click on that color" percentage. I think I used red too many times, or green to little. Anyhow, that Hawke became quite psychotic bordering on an imminent nervous break-down.

The thing I do with my daughter now is fun though. She's playing far different than I do, and the result is hilarious. We're both approaching it as a joke-through, not a real play-through, and neither of us is taking it seriously in an RPG kind of way.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:05

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Firky wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...
That or he would realize that the majority who enjoyed Origins dislike DA2. If he could just stop suggesting to "play on hard"Posted Image. (I've beaten the game on Nightmare on my first playthrough!)


I don't think you could really prove that a majority who enjoyed Origins dislike DA2. It'd be interesting to try. (Having said that, anyone who played nightmare on a first playthru has my utmost respect.)

First time, I played combining all difficulties, learning the new mechanics, getting a feel for it etc.

Second time is nightmare only and it's taking a while, but I'm busy and trying to savour it.

I am liking the differences I'm finding between playthrus, the different feel of the nice/nasty dialogue options and the different party mix (including banter.) Would like to say I'll play a 3rd but, with a rather large pile of shame, already, it's rare I even play a game twice these days.




Not the point I was trying to make, Firky. In an interview, Mr. Laidlaw was asked if the majority of people disliked DA2 was because it was "dumbed down". Mr. Laidlaw's response was "I suggest they play on Hard". You serious?!?!?Posted Image

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:06

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Started: 5 (usually only get up to the character creator, screw around than give up)
Finished: 1

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:09

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That is likely a significant component of the overall complaint of it being dumbed down, though. People think the difficulty is dumbed down, because the difficulty on Normal, in fact, is. However Hard and Nightmare are another story.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:10

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I've played Origins 5 times, just started my 6th. DAII also around 5 times. My only complaint with DAII was it was too short, just as you're getting into it its over. When is DAIII or an expansion coming?

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:14

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Not the point I was trying to make, Firky. In an interview, Mr. Laidlaw was asked if the majority of people disliked DA2 was because it was "dumbed down". Mr. Laidlaw's response was "I suggest they play on Hard". You serious?!?!?Posted Image


Dunno, sorry. You lost me. I'm not sure how "dumbed down" equals a majority of Origins fans not liking DAII.

As to "play on hard," I do have to agree that my NM playthrough is much more satisfying than my first. Not sure about hard, I like friendly fire. I feel like I'm earning dialogue, putting lots of effort into building party etc. I haven't struggled this much with a game in years. I do love a challenge.

How often did you die on your first playthru? At lvl 6 I was dying 2-6 times per encounter. It was great. Until I got that magic spec point.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:16

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Filament wrote...

That is likely a significant component of the overall complaint of it being dumbed down, though. People think the difficulty is dumbed down, because the difficulty on Normal, in fact, is. However Hard and Nightmare are another story.


Not the difficulty. Not being able to equip armor on companions(which makes the inventory almost useless. Almost). And yes, there's a significant difference between the difficulty settings in DA2(unlike Origins). And the Mass Effect-ization that has ocurred with DA2.

Hawke's Estate = The Normandy, Letters = E-mails, Voiced protagonist = simplified RP'ing and being limited to one race(like ME), only being able to talk to companions after specific events instead of anytime you want(like ME), Dialouge wheel like ME. Need I go on?

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:18

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Firky wrote...

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Not the point I was trying to make, Firky. In an interview, Mr. Laidlaw was asked if the majority of people disliked DA2 was because it was "dumbed down". Mr. Laidlaw's response was "I suggest they play on Hard". You serious?!?!?Posted Image


Dunno, sorry. You lost me. I'm not sure how "dumbed down" equals a majority of Origins fans not liking DAII.

As to "play on hard," I do have to agree that my NM playthrough is much more satisfying than my first. Not sure about hard, I like friendly fire. I feel like I'm earning dialogue, putting lots of effort into building party etc. I haven't struggled this much with a game in years. I do love a challenge.

How often did you die on your first playthru? At lvl 6 I was dying 2-6 times per encounter. It was great. Until I got that magic spec point.


I didn't die that often on NM, considering I just had to kite most of the time to survive. Except when Archers are there. I just take out all the archers first, Group Heal and then kite while Varric/ a mage attacks from a distance.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:29

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Not the difficulty.


Maybe not for you personally, unless you are also the elected delegate for everyone else who didn't like DA2. :P

But I've seen the "all you have to do is mash the attack button" complaint fairly frequently as evidence of this "dumbing down" as well. Implying the difficulty has been dumbed down. Which would mean they're only playing on Normal or they have a different version of DA2 than mine which is actually easier on Hard or Nightmare than DAO. (okay, I haven't played on Hard, but Nightmare is more difficult)

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:34

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Filament wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Not the difficulty.


Maybe not for you personally, unless you are also the elected delegate for everyone else who didn't like DA2. :P

But I've seen the "all you have to do is mash the attack button" complaint fairly frequently as evidence of this "dumbing down" as well. Implying the difficulty has been dumbed down. Which would mean they're only playing on Normal or they have a different version of DA2 than mine which is actually easier on Hard or Nightmare than DAO. (okay, I haven't played on Hard, but Nightmare is more difficult)


Read the rest of my post, sir/ma'm.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:37

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Kiting is a cheap tactic love. Can't you handle the heat?

Also you can equip armour on companions with mods.

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Read the rest of my post, sir/ma'm.


Just because I didn't quote it doesn't mean I didn't read it. I didn't have anything to say about the rest of your post. I get that you have special other reasons for thinking DA2 is dumbed down.

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Skilled Seeker wrote...

Kiting is a cheap tactic love. Can't you handle the heat?

Also you can equip armour on companions with mods.


Yes. Yes I can. But what about console players, hmm?

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Filament wrote...

Just because I didn't quote it doesn't mean I didn't read it. I didn't have anything to say about the rest of your post. I get that you have special other reasons for thinking DA2 is dumbed down.


I apologize for sounding rude. I just hate that BioWare did in fact, dumb down DA2(IMO).

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Who cares about console players, this is all their fault anyway right? :P

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:41

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Kiting is a cheap tactic love. Can't you handle the heat?

Also you can equip armour on companions with mods.


Yes. Yes I can. But what about console players, hmm?

Then why do you kite? As for console users, sucks to be you.

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Filament wrote...

Who cares about console players, this is all their fault anyway right?


I never said that. I have a friend who has played both Origins and DA2 on the PS3. And she vastly preferred Origins.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:45

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Skilled Seeker wrote...

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Kiting is a cheap tactic love. Can't you handle the heat?

Also you can equip armour on companions with mods.


Yes. Yes I can. But what about console players, hmm?

Then why do you kite? As for console users, sucks to be you.


I own DA2 for both console and PC(though I have the PS3 version registered on BSN). And I kte simply because the trash mobs are immune to pretty much everything, not to mention the looong cooldowns on health potions and Heal/Group Heal. That's not challenging and forces me to formulate a strategy. That's just cheapness. Fake difficulty.

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Filament wrote...

Who cares about console players, this is all their fault anyway right?


I never said that. I have a friend who has played both Origins and DA2 on the PS3. And she vastly preferred Origins.


Ah, but it's something many do say, like with "dumbing down the difficulty" as we've just discussed. Dumbed down "consolization," etc.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:51

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Filament wrote...

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Filament wrote...

Who cares about console players, this is all their fault anyway right?


I never said that. I have a friend who has played both Origins and DA2 on the PS3. And she vastly preferred Origins.


Ah, but it's something many do say, like with "dumbing down the difficulty" as we've just discussed. Dumbed down "consolization," etc.


Really? I don't see how release a game for both a console and a PC makes the PC version dumbed down. DA2 on PC was dumbed down as well(IMO).

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:52

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Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

Kiting is a cheap tactic love. Can't you handle the heat?

Also you can equip armour on companions with mods.


Yes. Yes I can. But what about console players, hmm?

Then why do you kite? As for console users, sucks to be you.


I own DA2 for both console and PC(though I have the PS3 version registered on BSN). And I kte simply because the trash mobs are immune to pretty much everything, not to mention the looong cooldowns on health potions and Heal/Group Heal. That's not challenging and forces me to formulate a strategy. That's just cheapness. Fake difficulty.

So you can't handle the heat then. And it's not cheap, every enemy has a weakness. Check out these threads:

http://social.biowar...8/index/6681852
http://social.biowar...8/index/6696470

Pots and heals have long cooldowns to prevent the ridiculous spammability of them in DAO. You could be immortal in DAO by just continously downing pots. THAT was not tactical. Now you need to actually make use of all the abilities at your disposal and read your enemies in order to not get beaten.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 08:59

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Alistairlover94 wrote...
I didn't die that often on NM, considering I just had to kite most of the time to survive. Except when Archers are there. I just take out all the archers first, Group Heal and then kite while Varric/ a mage attacks from a distance.


Perhaps we have vastly different play styles, because I just don't see how that's possible. I certainly tried kiting on NM, when I was most struggling, but couldn't find a way to win battles that way at all. There is no way I could have even got to the end of the first act without several CCCs, learning resistances etc and respeccing everyone a couple of times to fully utilise stats.

PS. I was lvl 9 before I could even win the battle to get Anders. Boy, did I try kiting that.

Still, as I said, anyone who has completed this on NM, especially on a first playthrough, has my respect.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 09:01

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Filament wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Filament wrote...

Who cares about console players, this is all their fault anyway right?


I never said that. I have a friend who has played both Origins and DA2 on the PS3. And she vastly preferred Origins.


Ah, but it's something many do say, like with "dumbing down the difficulty" as we've just discussed. Dumbed down "consolization," etc.


Well consolization = dumbed down just out of necessity, due both to how limited an input device a game pad is, and the fact the AI scripts, and encounter design have to be able to run smoothly on 2 gigs of shared memory.  That's compared to games that are designed to run on modern gaming rigs with 16x the hardware resources though, which admittedy and saddly, are few and far between these days.  If these multitudes you reference are saying that it's dumbed down compared to Origins, then no, both are bare bone, and simplistic, with crude at best AI.

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Posté 16 mai 2011 - 09:06

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Have done two playthroughs and I doubt there will be any more then that.
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