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[Fuzrum77]

ReconTeam wrote...

You got your way in DA2. It was very poorly handled, it made some of the characters seem less real, in the end it was an effort to pander to a very small but vocal element of the fanbase with the least amount of effort possible. I don't want to see this repeated in ME2.

Well said. And yes, as someone else said earlier: DA and ME have separate development teams. But it doesn't mean the ME writers can't fall into the same pitfall.

[Mr.House]

corporal doody wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

if dialogue is going to be included to initiate a s/s relationship.....repercussions should be included as well. cuz im pretty sure not all characters are going to made bi/gay now. if shep wants to push the issue with a character that isnt written as open to it...and informs shepard by ignoring the statements, changing subjects, or throws out more obvious hints that they dont appreciate it. cuz No means no shep....drop it!

A male Shepard never had a chance to flirt with Garrus, Thane, Kaidan, Jacob.
A Female Shepard never had a chance to flirt with Ash and Miri.

You don't know how they would act, all you can do is assume. If Garrus or anyone else is bi in ME3, it's no diffrent then what they did with Garrus and Tali in ME2.

we are talking about ME3.

So am I, so congrats on ignoring what I said.

[VoidCabbage]

Ryzaki wrote...

Jayman1337 wrote...

The only thing I'm asking for out of this is that people that don't want to be effected by it don't get effected by it.

This is strongly agree with but I want it to apply for all the romances in general. 

No one should be accidently stumbling into an unwanted romance. 

May I ask why?

EDIT: Assuming you don't mean that we should accidently forced into participating in these relationships.. as that was never suggested by anyone.

Modifié par VoidCabbage, 16 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Moral of the story of this topic. You can't compromise it seems.

[jlb524]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Ok... say that in ME3 Mordin became a love interest. I'd feel that that was drastically out of character, because his orientation has already been established... he is asexual. I think that's awesome, because asexuals don't get much representation in games. To suddenly have an asexual character turn sexual would be deeply weird for me, and would leave me thinking that he was behaving out-of-character. I have a few asexual friends, can you imagine how an asexual person would feel if they really identified with a character, and that character was suddenly "fixed" to be non-asexual?

Yes, Mordin was established as asexual b/c he lacks interest in sex.  Which former LI was established as strictly heterosexual?

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Now imagine that we didn't get that little talk with Mordin, where he pretty much came out to us as asexual and not interested. Imagine it just took the form of him saying that "most Salarians are asexual." That would still give asexuals enough reason to believe that he was an asexual like them, and making him a love interest in ME3 would also change his orientation, and make the asexuals who had come to identify with him disappointed.

Still, in this case, he was not established as asexual...people can assume what they wanted but they could be incorrect.

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Similarly, imagine that in ME3, all of a sudden Liara was just gay, not bi anymore. Even on characters where I don't romance her, the fact that she's attracted to both genders is an important part of her character to me. Do you think that limiting her romance to only women in the third game wouldn't change her character in any significant way?

Liara's sexuality is tied to her species.  Though, I don't think her deciding to only go for women would change her character much...it would ruin all her romances with ManShep though.  She would still be very much Liara who just got bored with having sex with men for some reason. 

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I knew a guy in high school who thought he was bi for a few years, and then later decided he was gay. He broke things off with his girlfriend at the time, and has only dated guys ever since... so the idea of Liara realizing she doesn't like guys isn't completely out of the realm of possibility... but it would change how players relate to her character. It would be a character development.... not necessarily something that would ruin the character, but something that would make players feel that their interactions with her were different.

It would only change how characters relate to her from a romantic perspective, and only ManShep players who romanced her in this case.  No one else would even notice this big change. It would not change her core character.  It just changes who she wants to jump in bed with. 

Modifié par jlb524, 16 mai 2011 - 05:07 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ReconTeam wrote...
And it is a very reasonable assumption to make.
Yes that
technically would not be a retcon but still terrible writing (to pander
to a very small element of the fanbase) and very unlikely.
I'd much rather have a more believable scenario at the cost of you not getting your way.

Good, now that you've admitted that it is merely your assumption and not written in stone due to the laws of statistics maybe we can make some progress.

Now you should also see that saying it is "terrible writing" or that it was implemented as "pandering" are also assumptions.

And your desire for believable scenarios is oddly specific.

[naledgeborn]

*Strolls back in*
Never was a fan of Tali and Garrus romance in ME2. And Bisexual Ashley or Miranda would irk me as much as Bi Kaidan. If it ain't broke don't fix it.



*Leaves again*

[atheelogos]

diskoh wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

This argument that characters like Garrus have never said they're not bi is pretty ridiculous. Wrex never said that he's not into flower arranging, but I think a lot of people would think it a little odd if in ME3 he declares it's always been one of his favourite passtimes.

diskoh wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

DoNuTwInGs wrote...
when they've shown zero interest in the past games.

That's my fear as well.

You're not giving enough credit to the writing. You guys are acting as if Kaidan is going to show up and say "Hey Shepard, I'm back and I'm GAAAAAAAAY!!!!"

That's exactly what happened with Tali in ME2. Hey Shepard, you're back and I always had the hots for you!

That's not how I viewed it at all. I saw an organic development to a relationship, just like they often evolve in real life. In real life there are more occurances than 1) You're immediately attracted to each other and jump into a relationship or 2) You are never attracted to each other. Relationships develop in many different ways.

In my opinion Tali was written well, had a logical and reasonable explanation, and was a very sweet storyline. I'd love for the s/s stories to be as good as that one.

Yeah I think Liara says something about Tali being star struck when you first brought her on board that and Shepard was already into Ash or Liara. Young Tali throwing her name into the mix wouldn't have done her any favors so I can see why she kept keep silent in ME1.

[JetsoverEverything]

wheres the guy that was pointing out all the hypocrites??
he needs to return

[javierabegazo]

Odd, thought I locked this

[Ryzaki]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

True, but i never actually got that dialogue in game, and I still got the impression that he was asexual. I only found out that he states it implicitly later, through youtube. Even if he hadn't had that conversation with me, him suddenly becoming sexual would seem totally weird.

And yes, if he had been flirty from the start, I would totally have been interested. He is my favorite character. But him suddenly becoming interested would feel weird in a way that Garrus suddenly becoming interested doesn't, and not for gender reasons either. (I also think that Tali suddenly being interested wouldn't seem out of place, because of the way she talks about linking our suits in ME2, even if you are a lady).

Just to add to my list: I wanted to romance Wrex in ME1, but if he became an LI now it would be weird. He is my second favorite character!

My issue is that the being asexual is contradicted by becoming a romance option. One can like women and be bisexual (hell one *has* to like women to be bisexual). Asexuality is another ballpark. In that case it wouldn't be *adding* something to him. It would be changing it completely.

It's out of place because he's not interested in sex period. Not simply because of Shepard's gender. Not to mention he *does* have the conversation telling SHepard quite firmly that he's not interested. I'd consider it as much a retcon as if Samara decided to throw her vows to the wind and throw Shepard down to the ground. It's contradictory. I don't see Kaidan/Garrus/whoever becoming bisexual to be contradictory because they don't say they're not interested.

And frankly Garrus and Tali beingintersted to me was ridculous out of place and gross. I was annoyed when Tali (a model Quarian who would want to help her fleet by helping their population with little quarian babies) started telling my Shepard (who was human and was liable to kill her by sleeping with her) that she wanted to feel his skin on hers. If it had just been something simple like feeling his skin with her hand I wouldn't have had an issue. Beause maybe she was interested in human skin texture. But sex? No. I felt that was ridculously OOC and out of place.

As for Wrex. He and Shepard wouldn't work for political reasons. I can only imagine how quickly the other Krogans would try to tear him down if he dared express an interest in squishy Shepard. He also is another species...not to mention how would that even work? 

[javierabegazo]

Please relocate discussion here:
- Wider options for Romance in ME3, including Same-sex -

[RaenImrahl]

Thanks to all of you who kept this a clear and ordered discussion.

[javierabegazo]

I do want to be clear, that the lock was in no way a punishment. This thread became a nice civil discussion, that was not why the lock was given The new thread was simply made to let new viewers see the news + source, and have helpful links in the OP and rules, suggestions, etc. Thank you and hope to see you all in the thread.