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AdmiralCheez wrote...

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Well they kind of did that with Anders but surely the solution to awkwardness in a game is to remove it, rather than add more.

No.  After Liara, Shiala, and the consort, you deserve to suffer.

I've played nice with your fanservicey space lesbians so far, buddy.  Now it's your turn.  You, as the player, must help me indulge in my dirty yaoi fantasies.


I won't suffer. But that guy on the other hand will.
Only reson why I didn't killed Anders is because I played Awekening.

Also, all the men should run around in very tight and revealing outfights.  Tighter than Jacob's, with a lot more skin showing than Thane.


I found it stupid on females.

And male strippers.  Blue omnisexual male strippers in space that constantly hit on you regardless of species or gender.


OK I would laugh if that happen in ME3.

No, I don't want this to actually happen, but I want you to imagine it.  Maybe then you will empathize with the straight female gamer a little.  And then perhaps one m/m LI will seem pretty tame in comparison.

This post is not intended to sound bitter.  Giggle a little.


OK.

lol

And I'm not even a straight female gamer.  I like ******.




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#2477
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IoCaster wrote...

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And that's how change happens - something gets put in the first time which offends a lot of people, letters get written, people get disgusted, but then the world entirely fails to end, and the ten year old who sees it grows up to think that the world was always that way, that women could always be commanders, and that's freaking beautiful. That's the beauty of the future, of science fiction, and of art.

That's why putting an openly gay person who cannot be toggled off into a game is good: it starts a road to people accepting such a thing as normal. Being able to turn it off is like selling a special TV that goes black when Mary Tyler Moore wears pants, or when Kirk and Uhura kiss.


This is just an attempt to justify social engineering in a video game. It's not as if homosexuality is hidden from sight in our everyday world. Whatever form of media you consume (TV, Books, Film, etc,..) there's plenty of homosexual representation included.

Why is it such a problem to some that a player would have a choice to toggle off content that they have no interest in? If you have a gay squad member and the player has no interest in triggering a romance they might very well choose not to ever talk to that character. If they're assured that the subject of romance never comes up in the typical ham-fisted fashion in these games then they would be more willing to explore all conversation options without any concern. What's so inherently wrong with giving a player that type of choice?


Theoretically I agree with your point about the toggle, but in reality, as a Gay player I am inclined to tell people who don't want to be hit on by the same sex to get over it, pull their heads and deal with it like the gay community has towhen games, create-a-character or simply 'set character but you make choices' assumes heterosexuali

The Fable series, although seemingly liberal and open about homosexuality makes several missteps in sexual assumption throughout. Descendants of Gays and assuming a relationship between a MHero and Elise/FHero and Elliot before you can choose to indicate any other sexuality.

I can't get to know Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Jack, Kelly (JUST FEED MY FISH I DONT LIKE YOU THAT WAY) and I can't be nice to Gianna or rude to the Consort without being railroaded into a hetero situation. Now if Gianna kisses you on the cheek and you don't like it, maybe we can put it down to mixed signals though we should be able to make it clear to her that we're not interested, maybe she isn't either! There'd be a veritable ****storm if Gianna was male and tried that on MShep though, the debate on toggles is inevitably biased if we only take it from one sexual point of view.

The long and short of it is, if you there's a toggle for homosexual content there MUST be a toggle for heterosexual dialogue, if there's only a toggle for homosexual then that does cross the line from ensuring a player experiences what they want to placing the needs of one sexual demographic over the other.

Modifié par Augoeides, 18 mai 2011 - 07:13 .


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InvincibleHero wrote...

Posted this in another thread how about Shepard summons your choice for a one on one in cabin via computer console? Segregate all the romance from the main plot stuff. Not guaranteed to get what you want though. It might work out in an epic way.


Congradulations you just won the internet!

I fully support this idea.

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And I'm not even a straight female gamer.  I like ******.




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The sad thing is there's already a toggle for avoiding the gay romances.

It's called not doing the gay romances.

-Shamelessly stolen off another poster.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2011 - 07:08 .


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EDIT: It did post BLAST! D:

Modifié par Augoeides, 18 mai 2011 - 07:10 .


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HolyMoogle wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And that's how change happens - something gets put in the first time which offends a lot of people, letters get written, people get disgusted, but then the world entirely fails to end, and the ten year old who sees it grows up to think that the world was always that way, that women could always be commanders, and that's freaking beautiful. That's the beauty of the future, of science fiction, and of art.

That's why putting an openly gay person who cannot be toggled off into a game is good: it starts a road to people accepting such a thing as normal. Being able to turn it off is like selling a special TV that goes black when Mary Tyler Moore wears pants, or when Kirk and Uhura kiss.


This is just an attempt to justify social engineering in a video game. It's not as if homosexuality is hidden from sight in our everyday world. Whatever form of media you consume (TV, Books, Film, etc,..) there's plenty of homosexual representation included.

Why is it such a problem to some that a player would have a choice to toggle off content that they have no interest in? If you have a gay squad member and the player has no interest in triggering a romance they might very well choose not to ever talk to that character. If they're assured that the subject of romance never comes up in the typical ham-fisted fashion in these games then they would be more willing to explore all conversation options without any concern. What's so inherently wrong with giving a player that type of choice?


Why is it such a problem to have a toggle for the possibility of interracial and interreligious relationships?

It's not exactly fair to the intelligence of the majority of the player base to say they cannot grasp the concept of a little heart icon which would spark a romance dialogue tree.

Filtering blood or profanity is one thing, but I don't think Bioware needs to start implementing prejudice filter toggles.




This isn't about prejudice though and it's certainly not about race or religion. It's about player choice with content that they're not interested in. Extrapolating from that to try and portray it as something nefarious is pretty damn insulting.

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Augoeides wrote...

The long and short of it is, if you there's a toggle for homosexual content there MUST be a toggle for heterosexual dialogue, if there's only a toggle for homosexual then that does cross the line from ensuring a player experiences what they want to placing the needs of one sexual demographic over the other.


while i understand your point... the logic is flawed.           Toggles and censorship is bassed on societal norms and values. A toggle for language or gore is understandable. A toggle for mature themes is understandable.
However current societal values are in flux over same sex rights..... so until a consensus is reached.... it should be optional. (DA2 was in your face, in my opinion)            that said.    i've never had a problem letting an LI down without breaking character.   With the exception of Jack. They all take it well.

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IoCaster wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And that's how change happens - something gets put in the first time which offends a lot of people, letters get written, people get disgusted, but then the world entirely fails to end, and the ten year old who sees it grows up to think that the world was always that way, that women could always be commanders, and that's freaking beautiful. That's the beauty of the future, of science fiction, and of art.

That's why putting an openly gay person who cannot be toggled off into a game is good: it starts a road to people accepting such a thing as normal. Being able to turn it off is like selling a special TV that goes black when Mary Tyler Moore wears pants, or when Kirk and Uhura kiss.


This is just an attempt to justify social engineering in a video game. It's not as if homosexuality is hidden from sight in our everyday world. Whatever form of media you consume (TV, Books, Film, etc,..) there's plenty of homosexual representation included.

Why is it such a problem to some that a player would have a choice to toggle off content that they have no interest in? If you have a gay squad member and the player has no interest in triggering a romance they might very well choose not to ever talk to that character. If they're assured that the subject of romance never comes up in the typical ham-fisted fashion in these games then they would be more willing to explore all conversation options without any concern. What's so inherently wrong with giving a player that type of choice?


First, I just want to quote Tycho of Penny-Arcade's post on the subject. As a straight male, he can talk about this kind of thing from a different position than I do. You may have more reason to listen to him, or feel some sort of fellow feeling.

Tycho wrote...

For example, David Gaider is being called on the carpet for not catering to "straight male gamers," but there is also a petition going around to get him sacked for having the temerity to write gay characters who are interested in sex. You really need to read that first link, there - it's incredible. This is why you don't ****** off a writer on the Internet. In a medium defined by text, a writer is the closest analog we have to a sorcerer. But there is really no victory for him, is there? He made an imaginary world, but it either doesn't conform with enough specificity to people's baggage, or it conforms too well.

I've made it pretty clear that I tend to play women in Bioware games - Shepherd is not now, nor has ever been, a man. I don't know who the dude traipsing around in the commercials is; a jerk, most likely. That's why I never picked up on either of the above criticisms, because that whole band of data isn't likely to (for lack of a better word) penetrate. I often don't know what to do with these persistent, unwelcome proclamations of affection from others. And having sex with them would involve taking off my armor, and I don't know if you've played Dragon Age 2, but it's a dragon a minute around here. Place is lousy with ****ing dragons.

Indeed, Merril kind of wont leave me alone. It makes me uncomfortable, actually, but I like it in a way. It reminds me of when I first saw Samus Aran's face in Metroid: Prime, my face, flashed inside the visor, saw my eyes, which were her eyes, blinking at the brightness. These are truly alien experiences for me, and I'm exposed to them and enriched by them because I didn't have to fill out some questionnaire before playing the game to make it aware of my sacred boundaries. I wasn't given the option to check the "No Homos" box, or to choose an elf with a less bewitching accent. Instead, I was dropped hip-deep into the Inferno Round of a moral quiz show. I just want to shake these people sometimes. Hey. That feeling, the one that you're feeling?

That is the game.

RPGs are all about getting yourself into situations you wouldn't encounter in real life, and seeing how you deal with them. Do I kill the scary bug monster? Do I tell the council to screw off? Do I let innocents die or let the bastard escape? 

In my mind, unwanted affections are just another one of those "what would you do?" moments. Every time Thane calls me Siha, I cringe a little, and let him down easily. When Liara tells me how fascinated she is with me, I tell her "no thanks." Sure I feel a little bad... I don't like hurting someone's feelings. But in real life when I have to tell someone I'm not interested in them romantically, it makes me a little uncomfortable too.

Some people don't like to be "forced" into making that diving rescue of Liara in Lair of the Shadow Broker. Some people don't like having to participate in the end of Arrival. Some people don't like having to let Vido go or let the hostages die.

If you want to eliminate everything that makes you uncomfortable from a game, I understand that. But it's not any more reasonable than me requesting a "No virmire, and no tough chioces" toggle. I'm uncomfortable when someone from my team dies, or when I can't save the day flawlessly, But those experiences are part of the game, and how my Shepard deals with them is part of playing her role.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 mai 2011 - 07:20 .


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Augoeides wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And that's how change happens - something gets put in the first time which offends a lot of people, letters get written, people get disgusted, but then the world entirely fails to end, and the ten year old who sees it grows up to think that the world was always that way, that women could always be commanders, and that's freaking beautiful. That's the beauty of the future, of science fiction, and of art.

That's why putting an openly gay person who cannot be toggled off into a game is good: it starts a road to people accepting such a thing as normal. Being able to turn it off is like selling a special TV that goes black when Mary Tyler Moore wears pants, or when Kirk and Uhura kiss.


This is just an attempt to justify social engineering in a video game. It's not as if homosexuality is hidden from sight in our everyday world. Whatever form of media you consume (TV, Books, Film, etc,..) there's plenty of homosexual representation included.

Why is it such a problem to some that a player would have a choice to toggle off content that they have no interest in? If you have a gay squad member and the player has no interest in triggering a romance they might very well choose not to ever talk to that character. If they're assured that the subject of romance never comes up in the typical ham-fisted fashion in these games then they would be more willing to explore all conversation options without any concern. What's so inherently wrong with giving a player that type of choice?


Theoretically I agree with your point about the toggle, but in reality, as a Gay player I am inclined to tell people who don't want to be hit on by the same sex to get over it, pull their heads and deal with it like the gay community has to when games, create-a-character or simply set character but you make choices assumes heterosexuality.

I can't get to know Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Jack, Kelly (JUST FEED MY FISH I DONT LIKE YOU THAT WAY) and I can't be nice to Gianna or rude to the Consort without being railroaded into a hetero situation. Now if Gianna kisses you on the cheek and you don't like it, maybe we can put it down to mixed signals though we should be able to make it clear to her that we're not interested, maybe she isn't either! There'd be a veritable ****storm if Gianna was male and tried that on MShep though, the debate on toggles is inevitably biased if we only take it from one sexual point of view.

The long and short of it is, if you there's a toggle for homosexual content there MUST be a toggle for heterosexual dialogue, if there's only a toggle for homosexual then that does cross the line from ensuring a player experiences what they want to placing the needs of one sexual demographic over the other.


I can certainly agree and understand about the heterosexual content that you've no interest in. There can be a selection process where you can choose gay or straight. If the gay choice is made then the hetero romance dialogue doesn't come up for the player and conversely the other choice results in no gay dialogue. Everyone gets to choose the romantic options they want available and otherwise can freely converse with all of the squad members without having to dance around dialogue choices.

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IoCaster wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

And that's how change happens - something gets put in the first time which offends a lot of people, letters get written, people get disgusted, but then the world entirely fails to end, and the ten year old who sees it grows up to think that the world was always that way, that women could always be commanders, and that's freaking beautiful. That's the beauty of the future, of science fiction, and of art.

That's why putting an openly gay person who cannot be toggled off into a game is good: it starts a road to people accepting such a thing as normal. Being able to turn it off is like selling a special TV that goes black when Mary Tyler Moore wears pants, or when Kirk and Uhura kiss.


This is just an attempt to justify social engineering in a video game. It's not as if homosexuality is hidden from sight in our everyday world. Whatever form of media you consume (TV, Books, Film, etc,..) there's plenty of homosexual representation included.

Why is it such a problem to some that a player would have a choice to toggle off content that they have no interest in? If you have a gay squad member and the player has no interest in triggering a romance they might very well choose not to ever talk to that character. If they're assured that the subject of romance never comes up in the typical ham-fisted fashion in these games then they would be more willing to explore all conversation options without any concern. What's so inherently wrong with giving a player that type of choice?


Why is it such a problem to have a toggle for the possibility of interracial and interreligious relationships?

It's not exactly fair to the intelligence of the majority of the player base to say they cannot grasp the concept of a little heart icon which would spark a romance dialogue tree.

Filtering blood or profanity is one thing, but I don't think Bioware needs to start implementing prejudice filter toggles.




This isn't about prejudice though and it's certainly not about race or religion. It's about player choice with content that they're not interested in. Extrapolating from that to try and portray it as something nefarious is pretty damn insulting.


How so?

I'm just extrapolating a toggle for people who don't want homosexuals in their game to people who don't want people of a certain race or religion hitting on them in their game. In your words, they'd simply be not interested in that content. If you don't understand the parallels, you don't understand your own prejudices.

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samurai crusade wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

The long and short of it is, if you there's a toggle for homosexual content there MUST be a toggle for heterosexual dialogue, if there's only a toggle for homosexual then that does cross the line from ensuring a player experiences what they want to placing the needs of one sexual demographic over the other.


while i understand your point... the logic is flawed.           Toggles and censorship is bassed on societal norms and values. A toggle for language or gore is understandable. A toggle for mature themes is understandable.
However current societal values are in flux over same sex rights..... so until a consensus is reached.... it should be optional. (DA2 was in your face, in my opinion)            that said.    i've never had a problem letting an LI down without breaking character.   With the exception of Jack. They all take it well.


I see your point, but I cannot help but feel no sympathy for anyone who is made uncomfortable by it, I deal plenty well in real life when a woman hits on me, the problem only arises of course when you're railroaded into something more, and if that happened in real life, I'd be calling the police.

Believe me, if a gay character hitting on your character in a game and nothing coming of it is the worst thing to happen to you in your life consider yourself lucky, you haven't endured half of what a homosexual person endures in their fight for equal rights in any part of life. /endpolitics.

NOTE: When I say 'You' in the second paragraph it is not 'you' as in 'samurai crusade' but a general vocative 'you' to any it may concern.

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I appologize if my comment was rude.  and I know you were speaking generally.  I support the inclusion of sae-sex LI's.          I just think there can be a tasteful way of adding it. I just havn't played a game that's been able to do it.  

Modifié par samurai crusade, 18 mai 2011 - 07:36 .


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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

RPGs are all about getting yourself into situations you wouldn't encounter in real life, and seeing how you deal with them. Do I kill the scary bug monster? Do I tell the council to screw off? Do I let innocents die or let the bastard escape? 

In my mind, unwanted affections are just another one of those "what would you do?" moments. Every time Thane calls me Siha, I cringe a little, and let him down easily. When Liara tells me how fascinated she is with me, I tell her "no thanks." Sure I feel a little bad... I don't like hurting someone's feelings. But in real life when I have to tell someone I'm not interested in them romantically, it makes me a little uncomfortable too.

Some people don't like to be "forced" into making that diving rescue of Liara in Lair of the Shadow Broker. Some people don't like having to participate in the end of Arrival. Some people don't like having to let Vido go or let the hostages die.

If you want to eliminate everything that makes you uncomfortable from a game, I understand that. But it's not any more reasonable than me requesting a "No virmire, and no tough chioces" toggle. I'm uncomfortable when someone from my team dies, or when I can't save the day flawlessly, But those experiences are part of the game, and how my Shepard deals with them is part of playing her role.


I think that maybe you misunderstand my motivation. I personally don't have any concern with the inclusion of gay romance in ME3 since I tend to avoid the romance subplots altogether when I play. What I do care about and question is the hypocrisy and double standard of some people wanting 'choice' for me, but not for thee. It's a pretty damning indictment of the lack of introspection on the part of some folks.

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samurai crusade wrote...

I think some of the problem people may be having. is that in ME in order to learn more about a squadmate or race... you have to talk to them. Obviously the more you talk the closer you get to romance. Perhaps we just need clearification at certain points in the friendship/relationship as to where it's heading?


I definitely think that established "Friendship vs Romance" paths that can be locked in early are a good idea, and having some sort of general guide as to which options are romance related is good. You could either have colors for these (Green for Friendship, Purple for romance) or places on the dialogue wheel where they always appear (Friendship upper left, romance lower left).

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Really I dont see the problem, there were certain squad mates I didnt want to romance and I managed to avoid it rather easily whilst still building a friendship.

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@IoCaster wrote...

I think instead of having stupid and kinda offensive to many people "toggle gay on/off", gay/bi characters shouldn't flirt with Shepard but instead Shepard has to do it first.

So there's an option to AVOID gay romance and any other as well.

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How so?

I'm just extrapolating a toggle for people who don't want homosexuals in their game to people who don't want people of a certain race or religion hitting on them in their game. In your words, they'd simply be not interested in that content. If you don't understand the parallels, you don't understand your own prejudices.



No what you're extrapolating is that not wanting gay romance dialogue that a person isn't interested in is somehow akin to wanting to expunge that character from the game. Then you want to shoehorn race and religion into the discussion as well. That's disingenuous and to then turn around and refer to my 'prejudices' is specious.

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samurai crusade wrote...

I think some of the problem people may be having. is that in ME in order to learn more about a squadmate or race... you have to talk to them. Obviously the more you talk the closer you get to romance. Perhaps we just need clearification at certain points in the friendship/relationship as to where it's heading?


We in this thread have made suggestions to the effect of labelling romantic options clearly since ALL romances need it. Such as color coded dialogue or heart icons for all romances, gay or straight. It was brought up on the previous page, I believe, and I  made a poll yesterday to choose between those two options or neither.

IoCaster is pretty obviously ignoring that, though. It's been talked about in here in the thread for a while now and brought up in multiple others on the S/S subject.

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IoCaster wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

RPGs are all about getting yourself into situations you wouldn't encounter in real life, and seeing how you deal with them. Do I kill the scary bug monster? Do I tell the council to screw off? Do I let innocents die or let the bastard escape? 

In my mind, unwanted affections are just another one of those "what would you do?" moments. Every time Thane calls me Siha, I cringe a little, and let him down easily. When Liara tells me how fascinated she is with me, I tell her "no thanks." Sure I feel a little bad... I don't like hurting someone's feelings. But in real life when I have to tell someone I'm not interested in them romantically, it makes me a little uncomfortable too.

Some people don't like to be "forced" into making that diving rescue of Liara in Lair of the Shadow Broker. Some people don't like having to participate in the end of Arrival. Some people don't like having to let Vido go or let the hostages die.

If you want to eliminate everything that makes you uncomfortable from a game, I understand that. But it's not any more reasonable than me requesting a "No virmire, and no tough chioces" toggle. I'm uncomfortable when someone from my team dies, or when I can't save the day flawlessly, But those experiences are part of the game, and how my Shepard deals with them is part of playing her role.


I think that maybe you misunderstand my motivation. I personally don't have any concern with the inclusion of gay romance in ME3 since I tend to avoid the romance subplots altogether when I play. What I do care about and question is the hypocrisy and double standard of some people wanting 'choice' for me, but not for thee. It's a pretty damning indictment of the lack of introspection on the part of some folks.


Yes, but there's a difference between asking for an expugated version of a game, and asking for additional choice within a game. You already have exactly the same choice as any other player has - when you get into a certain situation, how do you respond? You're asking for the situation to never even come up, if it makes you uncomfortable (I think that's what you're asking, anyway).

For some, having a character express interest in them makes them uncomfortable. Well... having to let one of my crew members die makes me deeply uncomfortable and very sad. I don't want to have to do it. I hate it every time it happens. But if I want to play the game, there is no "no Virmire" option, where I can still have Ash and Kaidan with me to the end.

I'd  be more likely to understand your suggestion if you were asking for something to be added... a clear indication of romance lines (like the DA heart), or a guarantee that you can turn down everyone who is uninterested in romance without hurting their feelings. But we can't just ask that everything in a game that makes us feel bad get taken out.

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IoCaster wrote...

HolyMoogle wrote...

How so?

I'm just extrapolating a toggle for people who don't want homosexuals in their game to people who don't want people of a certain race or religion hitting on them in their game. In your words, they'd simply be not interested in that content. If you don't understand the parallels, you don't understand your own prejudices.



No what you're extrapolating is that not wanting gay romance dialogue that a person isn't interested in is somehow akin to wanting to expunge that character from the game. Then you want to shoehorn race and religion into the discussion as well. That's disingenuous and to then turn around and refer to my 'prejudices' is specious.


But moogle isn't suggesting a toggle that would remove characters from the game, just one that would prevent characters with different skin pigmentation from flirting with you, and would cut off all access to romance lines with them. If it would make someone uncomfortable for someone of a certain race to flirt with them, why not give them the option to turn that off?

If we put in one kind of toggle, then we can put in another kind of toggle for every single thing that might make someone uncomfortable.

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Mesina2 wrote...

@IoCaster wrote...

I think instead of having stupid and kinda offensive to many people "toggle gay on/off", gay/bi characters shouldn't flirt with Shepard but instead Shepard has to do it first.

So there's an option to AVOID gay romance and any other as well.


Change that to characters period and I'll support it. 

My dude Hawke did not appreciate being hit on. And when some characters did it I got...well it was a :/ moment. 

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SennenScale wrote...

samurai crusade wrote...

I think some of the problem people may be having. is that in ME in order to learn more about a squadmate or race... you have to talk to them. Obviously the more you talk the closer you get to romance. Perhaps we just need clearification at certain points in the friendship/relationship as to where it's heading?


We in this thread have made suggestions to the effect of labelling romantic options clearly since ALL romances need it. Such as color coded dialogue or heart icons for all romances, gay or straight. It was brought up on the previous page, I believe, and I  made a poll yesterday to choose between those two options or neither.

IoCaster is pretty obviously ignoring that, though. It's been talked about in here in the thread for a while now and brought up in multiple others on the S/S subject.

It's not so much that I'm ignoring other solutions, but more that I'm interested in drilling down to let people make their justification for the opposition to what I think is the simplest and most elegant way to let everyone get what they want. Make your choice at the outset and blithely go about your business without regard to potentially cringe worthy moments of dialogue on both sides of the sexual divide. *shrug*

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Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

@IoCaster wrote...

I think instead of having stupid and kinda offensive to many people "toggle gay on/off", gay/bi characters shouldn't flirt with Shepard but instead Shepard has to do it first.

So there's an option to AVOID gay romance and any other as well.


Change that to characters period and I'll support it. 

My dude Hawke did not appreciate being hit on. And when some characters did it I got...well it was a :/ moment. 


Well I don't remember any straight character from Bioware that flirted on PC first.
Then again I only played KOTOR, Mass Effect and Dragon Age.


EDIT#1

I meant flirted first.

Modifié par Mesina2, 18 mai 2011 - 07:58 .


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samurai crusade wrote...


I appologize if my comment was rude.  and I know you were speaking generally.  I support the inclusion of sae-sex LI's.          I just think there can be a tasteful way of adding it. I just havn't played a game that's been able to do it.  

No need to apologize, you were simply asserting an opinion as cultivated by your experience and knowledge of the situation, there was nothing rude about it.