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[KawaiiKatie]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...
I vote that it gets its own trope. It is, after all, a very special catagory all its own.

See my original post.

OMG! You edited it to say that you'll "Zev Knife" Kaidan! That's hilarious. I don't entirely approve of the unfortunate implications (like, the people who actually killed Zevran because of his sexuality) but the use of "Zev Knife" as a verb is just fantastic.

THE TROPE NAME SHALL CIRCULATE! SO SAYETH I!

[Augoeides]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

And you regard the DA2 romances as a success? Lol...you just lost a lot of credibility right there. They were paperweight and completely tacked on. Appeal to the masses, lose the heart of the core experience.

ME's romances are so much more involving, so much so that they spread across 3 games. Anyway, I'm done with this. We'll see how the chips fall, I just hope Bioware doesn't kowtow too much to a desperately small minority.

Now, I never said that, in fact, you missed my point entirely. What I am saying is that you're buying into a sense of entitlement and privilege and that you have no more right to a certain type of romance than any other group. Majority or minority be damned, you have no rights to any content that isn't explicitly (in technical detail) promised in the game.

(in technical detail) clarification: Promises of 'engrossing story' aren't real promises, just promotion.

And by that same token, what is it that gives you the right to feel entitled to have a certain romance type in the game? Simply because there are currently straight romances? If that were the case then should EVERY game be unabashedly catering for the gay gamer as well as the straight one? Should there be an option in EVERY game to include a gay character? I'd say your sense of entitlement at least equals mine. When an author writes a book and he writes his characters straight, do you feel neglected? No.

As much as you think I have missed your point, I haven't at all. The sense of entitlement comes with the territory, majority rules and all that. It's just the way it is, the fact that you may never have experienced that isn't something I can do anything about.

Regardless of what you may think, however, I don't feel I am ENTITLED to have a non-gay charcter in the game, I just feel as though the content that was created throughout 2 games shouldn't be shat all over for the sake of appeasing the odd gay guy and totally changing the backstory of existing characters. I swear, if you relate the analogy of putting £20 in an envelope and selling it to a guy for £10 to this arguement you will see a clear correlation to the gay gamer.

"We want a same sex romance!  "No problem, we'll include one!" "But wait, it HAS to be with a previously straight character or we aren't happy?"

Anyway, we could rabbit on forever but either way nothing we say at this point will change the outcome of the game, so I guess we'll just wait and see. Also I've just started playing Arcanum and I wanna get back to it, cba to keep the debate going, lol.

I know you're playing Arcanum so you probably won't see this but I have to respond to this, it's the complusion of a quote conversion. D:

I don't feel entitled to any romance, I'll certainly critique something on I perceive as biased or unjust or unequal neing I in no way see that as giving me any kind of rights to anything, in fact if I am commenting on something fulfilling those criteria it's because I have no rights.

I will admit, I do get miffed when authors and creators don't include homosexuality (not necessarily as an option but as a reality) depending on context and/or size of the cast. For example, in the main Suikoden series there 108 recruitable characters every game, over 5 games and yet none has featured a gay character (that I am aware of), with those numbers it seems ridiculous. I only get miffed though, no expectations arise for subsequent games.

I will also admit I would LIKE Kaidan to be a bi option but I don't see myself as deserving of it or it being the only option, the only reason I get up in people's noses about it is because they as the player and not the creator assert notions of absoloutes on subjects where canon is silent, ambiguous or only implicit. Your statement that Bisexuality changes Kaidan's back story is only a factual one if Word of God states he is straight or if we only consider the snippets of his history revealed in game or developed with the character in game.

if Kaidan is not a Bi option in ME3 then he is not Bi, end of story, unless a comic is released that says otherwise BUT if we consider ME3 to be the end of Kaidan's involvement in the ME universe then it is the defining point of his sexuality unless a developr says anything to the contrary.

[Augoeides]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...
I vote that it gets its own trope. It is, after all, a very special catagory all its own.

See my original post.

OMG! You edited it to say that you'll "Zev Knife" Kaidan! That's hilarious. I don't entirely approve of the unfortunate implications (like, the people who actually killed Zevran because of his sexuality) but the use of "Zev Knife" as a verb is just fantastic.

THE TROPE NAME SHALL CIRCULATE! SO SAYETH I!

It's all justified, if you reject his advances with no promotions of platonic friendship he reverses the trope on you to avoid your sexualy's friction with his! 

[KawaiiKatie]

lawp79 wrote...

I lol'd at Nigel fishnchips, whats all that about?

Well, he's a Bristish chap hanging out in Big Ben. Clearly his name must be Nigel Fishnchips.

Nigel Fishnchips... Sniper, solider, and overt homosexual? Fingers crossed.

[SennenScale]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
THE TROPE NAME SHALL CIRCULATE! SO SAYETH I!

 It will totally catch on. You'll be a trope namer!

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

The ME team haven't let down in the past, I doubt they will with the finale. Still, it makes me concerned when they start adding things in just to please a certain group of people, because then you're making your game around the fans, not around how you envisage the game to be.

They've already done that. Garrus and Tali.

It worked.

So have a little more faith in the ME team. They are a different team from DA, remember?

Modifié par SennenScale, 18 mai 2011 - 09:28 .

[Augoeides]

HunterX6 wrote...

maybe just maybe Casey Hudson might have turned bi by all these gay fans,lesb and bi's offering their penis and butt as a "wonderful experience" in exchange for gay,lesb and bi relationship in mass effect 3? people should consider that too though I have no proof, just speculating. I dont approve of all the new and disturbing content, but as long as they make it the right way and not like DA2 then I guess it should be less gross and disturbing when I play the game.

Well Casey Hudson IS kind of cute.

[lawp79]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

lawp79 wrote...

I lol'd at Nigel fishnchips, whats all that about?

Well, he's a Bristish chap hanging out in Big Ben. Clearly his name must be Nigel Fishnchips.

Nigel Fishnchips... Sniper, solider, and overt homosexual? Fingers crossed.

Lol I thought it might be the British thing, though you dont see many Brits around Big ben just snappy, snappy tourists. As a Brit I love fish and chips, with gravy as I am north of watford lol.

Sorry taking it OT.

[bella127]

The characters that have already been Romance options in Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 should stay the same as regards to what gender/s they were available to.

Also, I think this decision should be made very carefully as it could affect the reputation of the game and lead to less sales, critical reviews etc.

Nothing graphic, please

Modifié par bella127, 18 mai 2011 - 09:34 .

[Draziw Latem]

A persons sexual prefrences can change over time, I am not even going to bother to list the examples as anyone with the ability to use a computer can look that information up, so if BW want to input same-sex content in ME3 then let it be I say!

It will make the 3rd game just that more interesting. For folks like me that have six different shepards laying around it allows even more relationship branches so I am all for it as it allows exploration of some very interesting waters.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

It's funny... when I first started reading this thread, I was against the current LIs becoming bisexual.

People arguing against current LIs being bisexual have totally changed my mind on that front.

[CroGamer002]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's funny... when I first started reading this thread, I was against the current LIs becoming bisexual.

People arguing against current LIs being bisexual have totally changed my mind on that front.

I don't even like M/M romances but after many arguements against it, I might do 13th Shepard in ME3 that is going gay.

[hawat333]

Draziw Latem wrote...

A persons sexual prefrences can change over time, I am not even going to bother to list the examples as anyone with the ability to use a computer can look that information up, so if BW want to input same-sex content in ME3 then let it be I say!
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That's a valid perception, although it's usually true for stories that have wider timeline. Example. Character known from a past setting, the main character meets up with her or him, and finds out that she or he is now being homosexual.
But apart from stories that aren't about sexuality and identity finding, you don't change your main characters over a two-years long period.
At least it's a very unorthodox method, but then, I usually exclude romantic lines from my novels, laying emphasis on intrigue and mistery, so whatever.
Just don't let Garrus to turn out being a krogan.

[ElitePinecone]

hawat333 wrote...
Just don't let Garrus to turn out being a krogan.

[Ghost Warrior]

Mesina2 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's funny... when I first started reading this thread, I was against the current LIs becoming bisexual.

People arguing against current LIs being bisexual have totally changed my mind on that front.

I don't even like M/M romances but after many arguements against it, I might do 13th Shepard in ME3 that is going gay.

So now you are for it...out of spite?

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 18 mai 2011 - 09:57 .

[CroGamer002]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's funny... when I first started reading this thread, I was against the current LIs becoming bisexual.

People arguing against current LIs being bisexual have totally changed my mind on that front.

I don't even like M/M romances but after many arguements against it, I might do 13th Shepard in ME3 that is going gay.

So now you are for it...out of spite?

Nope, I just don't see any reason not too after those.

Plus Yathzee said something about that.

Modifié par Mesina2, 18 mai 2011 - 10:03 .

[ME_Fan]

What the? Looks like Hudson is doing a Peter Molyneux, that basically means he is making up **** as he goes along. One minute it's 'no ss romances' and 'no new ME3 LIs' then next minute it's 'yes, there are ss romances' and 'new ME3 LIs'. WTF? I thought it was a good idea not to add anymore LIs, the Normandy is already crowded, and I want Miri on my team Dammit!

Make your mind up BioWare, but please, NO NEW Squadmates or LIs!

[Biotic_Warlock]

For wider romance?

Bi, straight, gay, les, omni, non sexual (hates human contact XD), necro... (well there must be at least one... there is in oblivion)

[ME_Fan]

If people are going to be gay, I say it should just be this James Sanders, Liara and Jack. (Jack because being bisexual would kinda fit with her sexually liberal attitude)

[Ghost Warrior]

ME_Fan wrote...

If people are going to be gay, I say it should just be this James Sanders, Liara and Jack. (Jack because being bisexual would kinda fit with her sexually liberal attitude)

I agree. By the way,it's not Sanders anymore,now it's Vega.

[CannotCompute]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

If people are going to be gay, I say it should just be this James Sanders, Liara and Jack. (Jack because being bisexual would kinda fit with her sexually liberal attitude)

I agree. By the way,it's not Sanders anymore,now it's Vega.

Agreed. And if it has to be someone from your old squad, then Kaidan.

[bald man in a boat]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

It's funny... when I first started reading this thread, I was against the current LIs becoming bisexual.

People arguing against current LIs being bisexual have totally changed my mind on that front.

I don't even like M/M romances but after many arguements against it, I might do 13th Shepard in ME3 that is going gay.

So now you are for it...out of spite?

Would that upset you?

[Someone With Mass]

So, Vega is going to be a gay, ignorant footballer on steroids...

Can't say that sounds appealing.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 18 mai 2011 - 10:58 .

[Saeran]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

If people are going to be gay, I say it should just be this James Sanders, Liara and Jack. (Jack because being bisexual would kinda fit with her sexually liberal attitude)

I agree. By the way,it's not Sanders anymore,now it's Vega.

That would go against Jack's predetermined character though! She isn't interested in playing in the girls club anymore.

[ElitePinecone]

ME_Fan wrote...

What the? Looks like Hudson is doing a Peter Molyneux, that basically means he is making up **** as he goes along. One minute it's 'no ss romances' and 'no new ME3 LIs' then next minute it's 'yes, there are ss romances' and 'new ME3 LIs'. WTF? I thought it was a good idea not to add anymore LIs, the Normandy is already crowded, and I want Miri on my team Dammit!

Make your mind up BioWare, but please, NO NEW Squadmates or LIs!

A few points:

Devs are perfectly capable of changing their minds. The 'no new LIs' was from a month-old interview, and misinterpreted to boot. Announcing new romances is perfectly reasonable when they have literally months left of development time. 

New squadmates and LIs are virtually certain; at least one new squadmember (Vega) has been known for months. It'd be difficult for new players to the series to connect to old characters who were constantly referencing old missions, not to mention that not every player would have existing characters to import into ME3. There's a fair chance some imported playthroughs will be missing some ME2 characters after the events of the suicide mission. 

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

So, Vega is going to be a gay, ignorant footballer on steroids...

Can't say that sounds appealing.

Well at the time he was Sanders.

So they'll change his model as well?


Also how's he an ignorant?

Modifié par Mesina2, 18 mai 2011 - 11:04 .