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[James2912]

As someone who is not gay and would not even play as a gay shepard. (cuz I play as myself). Why not just make all the LI's BI? Sexuality would'nt change any of the characters. And the aliens shouldn't even be interested in humans (except Liara) so why not make these aliens also be interested in male/female humans its not a stretch at all!

Modifié par James2912, 18 mai 2011 - 04:19 .

[Cootie]

I wonder if we could raise the point of perhaps unlocking past LI's that were previously designed as bisexuals through DLC or patches now that they've got Twitter accounts.

It's unlikely, sure, but it's a question that looms in my brain and a simple No would suffice. >.<

[BrandNewMan]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

the game is about saving the universe and all you guys do is argue about romance.

The only way to defeat the Reapers for good, is to teach them how to love.

Modifié par BrandNewMan, 18 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[NICKjnp]

You can't spell game without gay.

[M-Sinistrari]

ElitePinecone wrote...

It will calm down in a few days, hopefully. The media attention and the fact that this thread is stickied is attracting a lot of random supporters and opponents who come in guns blazing for their particular side.

I'd hope that once everyone realises this isn't going to "OMGZ RUIN EVERYTHING" that we can get back to a forum that isn't two pages of locked threads discussing the same topic - a topic that accounts for a few lines of dialogue in a 40-hour game. Here's hoping some of the combat reveals at E3 and before then will grab some of the attention.

Because - as I've maintained personally for a long time - the romances really aren't the focus of ME, nor should they be. It's one small facet of a much, much wider game and narrative. Something that could've been improved, yes - and now it has been - but not a game-defining, deal-breaking feature. There are many other exciting and engaging parts of the series.

Even with as feisty as tempers have gotten in this thread, compared to other debates I've been in elsewhere we've had no murder threats, tracking down and posting of personal information, or hacking attacks.  Really, could've been much worse.

[ElitePinecone]

Cootie wrote...

I wonder if we could raise the point of perhaps unlocking past LI's that were previously designed as bisexuals through DLC or patches now that they've got Twitter accounts.

It's unlikely, sure, but it's a question that looms in my brain and a simple No would suffice. >.<

I initially misinterpreted this and wrote up a gigantic reply about something entirely different :|

On your topic - I highly, highly doubt it.

But it's easy enough to mod your ME2 savegame to reflect any ME1 (or ME2) romance you wish, then play through ME2 with this save-game and import it into ME3. On either Xbox or PC - I'm not sure how it would work for the PS3. 

[SennenScale]

JetsoverEverything wrote...
the game is about saving the universe and all you guys do is argue about romance.

We already know Bioware wants to do multiple endings and want to make an epic conclusion. I trust them in that regard.The game is about saving the galaxy, but that doesn't mean we cannot talk about other parts of the game, does it?

PMC65 wrote...

This is just one small part of the game that will be optional. Bioware has stated that they are increasing the friendship dialogue after listening to the fan base about "Calibrations" complaint so you will be able to continue the "just friends" path with your squad and old ME pals.

This.

I don't think anybody here is happy about "calibrations".

I'm pretty sure we'll ALL be mad if Garrus refused to talk to us anymore at around the halfway mark in the game just because you're not romancing him.

Or if Tali just shuts up.

Or anyone, really.

I feel Mordin is the best example of a friendship path in the ME series. Naturally, this is my opinion, and I don't want five copies of Mordin running around, but he's a good benchmark in terms of the quality of friend content. Let there be more friendships like that!

I think people have done a good job of letting Bioware know that calibrations just isn't cool, and they've said friendship dialogues will be better. We could make another, seperate thread on here though. I mean, it would be more likely to reach the Dev's ears in it's own separate page.

Along with the mouse sensitivity for PC users.

jlb524 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...
Even though Casey said otherwise, I have a feeling that most popular LI characters will be bi-sexual in ME3.

He
really hasn't debunked this regardless...his statement about it was
pretty vague.  the only thing I think his statement may have debunked is
the idea that all past LIs will now be bisexual (which won't happen...too much work anyway).

So, having one or two past LIs come out as bisexual seems still seems likely to me.

Sorry if any of the reccurring posters feel like I'm just repeating myself all the time (I suppose I am, but newcomers seem not to be reading the rest of the thread. Understandable, if frustrating).

Everyone new coming to this page, thread isn't saying "Make everyone bi". All the agruments back and forth about "they aren't bi!" "they never told you their preferences" are occuring because many of the supporters here don't necessarily think some of the old LI's opening up to both sexes is game breaking, but we're NOT asking for a harem. Just roleplaying options that already exist for Femshep and one or two m/m LIs.

EDIT: Not saying you're new. jlb524. I just wanted to expand on what you said.

Modifié par SennenScale, 18 mai 2011 - 03:52 .

[ME_Fan]

NICKjnp wrote...

You can't spell game without gay.

+1 (although I'd rather not take a side in this debate)

Modifié par ME_Fan, 18 mai 2011 - 03:52 .

[GameBoyish]

I am just here to say congrats to the Fight for the Love supporters ^^

And for me, whoever the options are, come what may, no whining here.

[JediMB]

IoCaster wrote...

JediMB wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

So what you're saying is that your understanding is more valid than mine? And also you get to choose your gender when you start a game. How is that different from also choosing your sexual orientation/preference?

How is it different?

Sexuality can't be seen. It can only be interpreted from your actions.

Sex/gender... can be seen. Unless Shepard suddenly goes from being human to being an amorphous blob.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. The choice of gender changes the dialogue options available in game or do you choose to deny this? Isn't this the central point of discussion here? That choice determines what romances are available to your character throughout the game.  What's your agenda with this bullsh!t? Seriously, I'm getting a certain politicately correct vibe to some of these responses. Is it as obvious to me as to any of the others in this thread?

The choice of sex/gender is a much bigger package, and the dialogue is changed out of necessity. Your sex determines your character's appearance, your character's voice, pronouns used (since our languages treat people of different genders differently), your expected (but not actual) sexual preference, and naturally how other characters see (and thereby treat) you.

A sexuality toggle is just an excuse to restrict content so that the player doesn't have to actually make the appropriate in-game choices. FemShep didn't have one in either of the previous games, and no-one complained because there was always the option for her to simply tell Liara that she was only interested in men.

There is no "agenda" beyond good old fashioned equal rights and... an intolerance for intolerance for anything other than intolerance. :innocent:

Modifié par JediMB, 18 mai 2011 - 03:55 .

[Cootie]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Cootie wrote...

I wonder if we could raise the point of perhaps unlocking past LI's that were previously designed as bisexuals through DLC or patches now that they've got Twitter accounts.

It's unlikely, sure, but it's a question that looms in my brain and a simple No would suffice. >.<

I initially misinterpreted this and wrote up a gigantic reply about something entirely different :|

On your topic - I highly, highly doubt it.

But it's easy enough to mod your ME2 savegame to reflect any ME1 (or ME2) romance you wish, then play through ME2 with this save-game and import it into ME3. On either Xbox or PC - I'm not sure how it would work for the PS3.

Still, we don't know how ME-3 will react to these save games as m/m will now be official. We cannot say for sure if these save games won't be royally brickified if romances are handled differently.
I guess we will just have to wait and see. O.o

[Siansonea]

JediMB wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

JediMB wrote...

IoCaster wrote...

So what you're saying is that your understanding is more valid than mine? And also you get to choose your gender when you start a game. How is that different from also choosing your sexual orientation/preference?

How is it different?

Sexuality can't be seen. It can only be interpreted from your actions.

Sex/gender... can be seen. Unless Shepard suddenly goes from being human to being an amorphous blob.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. The choice of gender changes the dialogue options available in game or do you choose to deny this? Isn't this the central point of discussion here? That choice determines what romances are available to your character throughout the game.  What's your agenda with this bullsh!t? Seriously, I'm getting a certain politicately correct vibe to some of these responses. Is it as obvious to me as to any of the others in this thread?

The choice of sex/gender is a much bigger package, and the dialogue is changed out of necessity. Your sex determines your character's appearance, your character's voice, pronouns used (since our languages treat people of different genders differently), your expected (but not actual) sexual preference, and naturally how other characters see (and thereby treat) you.

A sexuality toggle is just an excuse to restrict content so that the player doesn't have to actually make the appropriate in-game choices. FemShep didn't have one in either of the previous games, and no-one complained because there was always the option for her to simply tell Liara that she was only interested in men.

There is no "agenda" beyond good old fashioned equal rights and... an intolerance for intolerance for anything other than intolerance. :innocent:

Why aren't more people welcoming the opportunity to turn down male flirtation, and thereby "prove" that their Shepard is a straight he-man manly man? You would think they would leap at the chance to say "how about no" if some dude thought they might swing that way. I like having the choices like the ones on Samara's loyalty mission, on Noveria, etc., because they make my decision to Do The Right Thing much less of a given, and more of a character defining trait. Plus, I have some characters who only like doing the wrong thing.  

Shepard being straight just because no one flirts with him seems kind of weak to me. If people need to preserve their heterosexuality by never allowing it to be tested, methinks it's not the strongest brand of heterosexuality, if ya know what I mean. 

[M-Sinistrari]

JediMB wrote...
A sexuality toggle is just an excuse to restrict content so that the player doesn't have to actually make the appropriate in-game choices. FemShep didn't have one in either of the previous games, and no-one complained because there was always the option for her to simply tell Liara that she was only interested in men.

Now that all depends on how a potential toggle was implimented.  If we're talking one that completely removes all related content to the choice (characters simply don't appear, no references about it made along with romance selections not available), yes that's censorship as well as an absolute coding nightmare to even contemplate.

If we're talking one that just removes that subset of romance choices from appearing, how is it different than someone just not taking those choices other than just doing one click at the beginning instead of clicking throughout the game as applicable?  Yeah it's a sign of being lazy with prefering to knock out choices with one click, but still something worthy of discussing.

Of course the sort of toggle I'm envisioning is one that covers all possibilities such as straight, gay, everyone's bi and asexual, only affects romance dialog from popping up in the wheel and can be changed at any point in game.

[Naughty Bear]

I'm just waiting for this thread to erupt with hate.

[Centauri2002]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I'm just waiting for this thread to erupt with hate.

I'd rather be optimistic and hope that it won't come to that. Particularly since no one's being forced into anything with this news. 

As long as we can talk it out, we can come to a compromise I'm sure. Whether BioWare acts on that or not is entirely up to them though.

[James2912]

Naughty Bear wrote...

I'm just waiting for this thread to erupt with hate.

There you go!http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSHBDgbaVY32TsQchac0TKpkEKRZmWswU4XXmmoqXUEkYrCNn3JwA

[JediMB]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

If we're talking one that just removes that subset of romance choices from appearing, how is it different than someone just not taking those choices other than just doing one click at the beginning instead of clicking throughout the game as applicable?  Yeah it's a sign of being lazy with prefering to knock out choices with one click, but still something worthy of discussing.

I just don't think there's been any proper justification for the toggle to exist. It would be like implementing a toggle for Paragon/Neutral/Renegade options, a toggle for what squad members you want to be able to recruit, or a toggle for what weapons you want available in the game.

And the sexuality toggle just screams "I'm too insecure to actually deal with these choices in the game, so I want an option to disable them before I start!"

That's how I see it, anyhow. Take it for what it is.

[Siansonea]

Yeah, if they get their toggle, I want a toggle to turn off any options to say nice stuff about Cerberus. What if my Shepard accidentally ends up supporting Cerberus, or worse, actually working for them? The game would be ruin— oh wait...

[James2912]

 At least make Kaidan BI! 
http://t0.gstatic.co...gEGhL2NzA7c0D-g

[jlb524]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, if they get their toggle, I want a toggle to turn off any options to say nice stuff about Cerberus. What if my Shepard accidentally ends up supporting Cerberus, or worse, actually working for them? The game would be ruin— oh wait...

[GameBoyish]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, if they get their toggle, I want a toggle to turn off any options to say nice stuff about Cerberus. What if my Shepard accidentally ends up supporting Cerberus, or worse, actually working for them? The game would be ruin— oh wait...

Oooh Oooh I want a NO ALIENS toggle, everyone will appear as puppies instead. Cuz aliens are GROSS. /sarcasm

[M-Sinistrari]

JediMB wrote...

I just don't think there's been any proper justification for the toggle to exist. It would be like implementing a toggle for Paragon/Neutral/Renegade options, a toggle for what squad members you want to be able to recruit, or a toggle for what weapons you want available in the game.

And the sexuality toggle just screams "I'm too insecure to actually deal with these choices in the game, so I want an option to disable them before I start!"

That's how I see it, anyhow. Take it for what it is.

Now comparing a sexuality toggle to a paragon/renegade toggle does help me see the inherent flaw from a different angle.  My perspective was based along my first playthrough of ME2 where because the dialog wheel wasn't worded the best and coupled with the fact I was playing with no sound and subtitles only ended up having to reload from last save like a madwoman.

Thanks for showing me a new way to look at it.:happy:

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard being straight just because no one flirts with him seems kind of weak to me. If people need to preserve their heterosexuality by never allowing it to be tested, methinks it's not the strongest brand of heterosexuality, if ya know what I mean. 

I think for most of us who don't want to address homosexual themes in our video games, it's more about revulsion than fear or insecurity.   I come by my distaste for the practice of men occupying each others' alimentary canals just as honestly as some do for wanting to occupy said canals.  It doesn't mean that I'm cruising past gay bars in a pickup truck with a 2 X 4, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm afraid it will suddenly seem like a good idea if I see a couple of CGI's moving toward it.

So, the more effectively Bioware walls off that particular theme for those who don't care to see it, the more likely I am to buy the game.  If Bioware believes that all players must face these decisions to validate the dignitiy of the etc. etc., I probably won't.  The much-derided toggle is a chance for me to the play the game and follow the story the way I prefer, which was pretty much the argument for dialing up the gay to begin with.

[James2912]

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, if they get their toggle, I want a toggle to turn off any options to say nice stuff about Cerberus. What if my Shepard accidentally ends up supporting Cerberus, or worse, actually working for them? The game would be ruin— oh wait...

Oooh Oooh I want a NO ALIENS toggle, everyone will appear as puppies instead. Cuz aliens are GROSS. /sarcasm

All the aliens are gross looking except asari. Thats because they are basically just blue women! lol