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James2912 wrote...

 At least make Kaidan BI! 
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EDIT: FIRST!

Modifié par TriviaAeducan, 18 mai 2011 - 04:34 .

[James2912]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard being straight just because no one flirts with him seems kind of weak to me. If people need to preserve their heterosexuality by never allowing it to be tested, methinks it's not the strongest brand of heterosexuality, if ya know what I mean. 

I think for most of us who don't want to address homosexual themes in our video games, it's more about revulsion than fear or insecurity.   I come by my distaste for the practice of men occupying each others' alimentary canals just as honestly as some do for wanting to occupy said canals.  It doesn't mean that I'm cruising past gay bars in a pickup truck with a 2 X 4, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm afraid it will suddenly seem like a good idea if I see a couple of CGI's moving toward it.

So, the more effectively Bioware walls off that particular theme for those who don't care to see it, the more likely I am to buy the game.  If Bioware believes that all players must face these decisions to validate the dignitiy of the etc. etc., I probably won't.  The much-derided toggle is a chance for me to the play the game and follow the story the way I prefer, which was pretty much the argument for dialing up the gay to begin with.

I was one of the main proponents of the toggle. Mainly because I didn't want my male shep to say hey garrus want to have a beer? And then somehow that leads to buttsex. But as everyone points out there has been a huge outcry over ninjamancing. NOONE wants to be ninjamanced! So if there is not :ph34r:mancing in ME3 we don't need a toggle.  

[SennenScale]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

So, the more effectively Bioware walls off that particular theme for those who don't care to see it, the more likely I am to buy the game.  If Bioware believes that all players must face these decisions to validate the dignitiy of the etc. etc., I probably won't.  The much-derided toggle is a chance for me to the play the game and follow the story the way I prefer, which was pretty much the argument for dialing up the gay to begin with.

What about just having something that works more naturally in the game, like a pink colored text for every flirting dialogue, gay or straight? This is one option we've discussed and avoids the unfortunate implications of having a gay toggle. That helps you avoid stumbling into not just gay romances with your crew, but helps you dodge any straight ones you don't want as well. Like if you romanced, say, Miri and want to make sure the other female squadmates don't get the wrong idea. Or if you just want a nonromance playthrough but want to still TALK to the crew.

[M-Sinistrari]

Nyoka wrote...

A toggle is a bad option for reasons discussed pages ago, reasons nobody bothered to counter. Better alternatives were suggested (clear dialog options mainly) and people said explicitly they were okay with them. If someone has something NEW about it, please let the thread know.

It kinda didn't help with some of the extremes people were equating it to.  Until JediMB presented me with a more base-less alarmist example, I did concider a toggle a viable potential comprimise.

At this point going with very clear dialog options for one to be sure they're either embarking on friendship or romance is fine with me.  Going colour dialog is also an option.

[Centauri2002]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I think for most of us who don't want to address homosexual themes in our video games, it's more about revulsion than fear or insecurity.   I come by my distaste for the practice of men occupying each others' alimentary canals just as honestly as some do for wanting to occupy said canals.  It doesn't mean that I'm cruising past gay bars in a pickup truck with a 2 X 4, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm afraid it will suddenly seem like a good idea if I see a couple of CGI's moving toward it.

So, the more effectively Bioware walls off that particular theme for those who don't care to see it, the more likely I am to buy the game.  If Bioware believes that all players must face these decisions to validate the dignitiy of the etc. etc., I probably won't.  The much-derided toggle is a chance for me to the play the game and follow the story the way I prefer, which was pretty much the argument for dialing up the gay to begin with.

Okay, I can sympathise that you find something disturbing to think about. That's fair enough. I don't find the thought of heterosexual sex or gay male sex particularly appealing either. But I don't think about it so it's avoided. However, when I come across it in my games (and it's even forced on me in some games that aren't RPGs), I don't go running in the opposite direction. I can accept that it's there but it's just not my thing. Besides, the sexual act is not graphically depicted in Mass Effect, it is merely suggested. If you don't like it, don't think about it. Two people of whatever gender being affectionate towards one another is usually a sweet act. I don't need to imagine anything beyond that.

That said, it's your choice in-game to pursue any of the romances so you shouldn't even see it. If ninjamancing doesn't exist, you'll be safe.

[Siansonea]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard being straight just because no one flirts with him seems kind of weak to me. If people need to preserve their heterosexuality by never allowing it to be tested, methinks it's not the strongest brand of heterosexuality, if ya know what I mean. 

I think for most of us who don't want to address homosexual themes in our video games, it's more about revulsion than fear or insecurity.   I come by my distaste for the practice of men occupying each others' alimentary canals just as honestly as some do for wanting to occupy said canals.  It doesn't mean that I'm cruising past gay bars in a pickup truck with a 2 X 4, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm afraid it will suddenly seem like a good idea if I see a couple of CGI's moving toward it.

So, the more effectively Bioware walls off that particular theme for those who don't care to see it, the more likely I am to buy the game.  If Bioware believes that all players must face these decisions to validate the dignitiy of the etc. etc., I probably won't.  The much-derided toggle is a chance for me to the play the game and follow the story the way I prefer, which was pretty much the argument for dialing up the gay to begin with.

Well, thank you for putting your viewpoint in such terms. It gives BioWare a very clear idea of the mindset of the type of person they would be accommodating by implementing a toggle. I don't think any of us could have illustrated that quite as vividly as you have.

Personally, I don't spend a lot of time thinking about the specifics of other people's sex habits, which may contribute to my complete apathy toward what other people choose to do when they're alone together. 

For some reason this reminds me of the phrase "if you enjoy sausage, you should never see how it's made" or words to that effect. Don't know why that popped into my head, it's not a perfect metaphor by any means.

[Wereparrot]

centauri2002 wrote...

The Narrator wrote...

We are all gonna use these debates as metaphors for when entertainment companies use politics to gain demographics.

Except BioWare have obviously been listening to their current fans. It took them long enough but they finally listened to feedback. I doubt they'll gain a huge amount of new players through this but they've certainly made a lot of people who already own ME1 & 2 happier.

Or a vocal minority of the said current fans. The dissenters and fans not on this forum were, to my knowledge, not consulted. I may be wrong...

[James2912]

 Is this wrong to you? What if I told you that the collector was a female? Would it be any less wrong?
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[Centauri2002]

Wereparrot wrote...

Or a vocal minority of the said current fans. The dissenters and fans not on this forum were, to my knowledge, not consulted. I may be wrong...

My point wasn't about the number of fans but the fact that they're thinking about their current fans and not attracting new ones with this move.

[Phaelducan]

You aren't wrong Wereparrot.

[M-Sinistrari]

Nyoka wrote...

Oh for God's sake, not again. This thread must be like 20 actual pages long. The rest are the same points over and over, expressed each time as if they were original.

EDIT: M-Sinistrari, thanks. I didn't see your post before posting this, I wasn't referring to you.

We've got a well established thread uzumaki going on.  Same points will keep cropping up depending on placement in the spiral and newcomers don't want to slog through 100+ pages of discussion.  I mostly wanted to avoid several pages of wild extrapolation about the damn toggle which I think we've mostly discredited until someone comes up with a different configuration of the theory.

[massive_effect]

Responding to the OP:
This is a disturbing development. The gay community filibustered the forums with their year-long "fight for the love" threads. Their behavior was the equivalent of flashing themselves in a gay-pride parade. Bioware listened to them?

[Phaelducan]

That's exactly what happened.

[k8ee]

James2912 wrote...

 Is this wrong to you? What if I told you that the collector was a female? Would it be any less wrong?
http://t2.gstatic.co...-BMP_TmQdXiPA_B

That's creepy and arousing.

[SennenScale]

massive_effect wrote...

Responding to the OP:
This is a disturbing development. The gay community filibustered the forums with their year-long "fight for the love" threads. Their behavior was the equivalent of flashing themselves in a gay-pride parade. Bioware listened to them?

FFTL was letting Bioware, a company who has allowed S/S in their games more than one before, know there are a fair amount of ME fans as well who want their particular Shepard to have the option to have a gay Love Interest. How is this the equivalent of a gay pride parade?

[Centauri2002]

massive_effect wrote...

Responding to the OP:
This is a disturbing development. The gay community filibustered the forums with their year-long "fight for the love" threads. Their behavior was the equivalent of flashing themselves in a gay-pride parade. Bioware listened to them?

Actually, some of the most vocal members of that thread were straight. Your rebuttal?

[NICKjnp]

@James: It would have been better if it was Harbinger and Jacob

[Phaelducan]

Opening a thread is fine... opening dozens and blasting the forums with thousands of posts demanding gay romance options?

Irritating.

[Inquisitor Recon]

There is nothing wrong with a toggle option except that a few people consider it "offensive". Some people find the whole concept of homosexual relationships offensive. If were doing everything to be politically correct, shouldn't they matter?

I would much rather have this toggle and experience the game with the characters as they originally were as opposed to their new bisexual versions. It might make Jacob 2.0 slightly more tolerable too.

[Siansonea]

"BioWare is giving everyone options in the game now! That's so unfair!"

[James2912]

I am a straight man. i just want people to be able to roleplay THEIR Shepards the way they want. I will keep playing as heteroshepard this doesn't really affect me it just allows more people on this planet to be happy and thats always a good thing!

[SennenScale]

@Phaelducan: It was not a demand. It was a request and we posted alot to keep the thread alive in hopes that a dev would see it.

There is nothing wrong with that.

[Centauri2002]

Phaelducan wrote...

Opening a thread is fine... opening dozens and blasting the forums with thousands of posts demanding gay romance options?

Irritating.

I'm going to have to ask for some proof of that, because I've never seen these thousands of posts. And I've never seen demands either. We've asked and made suggestions. It's usually been limited to a single thread. How is that unreasonable or irritating?