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[Nashiktal]

horizon011 wrote...

the reason why it was mashed because i made a seperate topic but the mod thought it be better in the same sex section < so i reposted and edited it because of that <

im sure not everyone is in the same circles cainne u dont have to agree with me but its there eitherway.

i just want it to be strictly optional...have an option to disallow it for people who are not gay,who has religious , who dislike homosexuality because of some personal belief, or just me who doesnt enjoy being hit on by male characters forcefully.

I only remember three men who hit on Hawke in the game. Zevron, who was openly gay since DAO. So complaining about *quality* makes little sense there. Anders, who has problems I am not going to spoil, and then finally a prostitute. 

A PROSTITUTE. Thats kinda what they do.

These encounters are also spread over many hours. So when you exagerrate that men are hitting on you everywhere, it kinda dilutes your point.

[harktag]

Phaelducan wrote...

Opening a thread is fine... opening dozens and blasting the forums with thousands of posts demanding gay romance options?

Irritating.

I typically applaud when minorities end up getting represented in things. Especially if it's something that they've had to deal with all their lives, sure I think they're entitled to revel in their victories. Whatever "irritation" others may get from that is paled in comparison to the challenges those folks have had to endure for maybe as long as a lifetime.

As a man, I sometimes get "irritated" by extreme and very vocal feminists. But after putting myself in their shoes, I understand why they feel the need to be so vocal and aggressive, and it ends up not bothering me that much. True, there are those who go too far. But for the most part, I think they're entitled.

Modifié par harktag, 18 mai 2011 - 05:29 .

[horizon011]

thanks reconteam even if you are pro same sex stuff ..

but seriously there wouldnt be a problem if it was just a optional thing..a button to click no at the sart of the game..it eliminates it for all the majority who dont want it..and keeps it there for the small community who need it there to create realism or whatever.

[bald man in a boat]

The insecurity that has made itself apparent in this thread is pathetically comical.

[Centauri2002]

Phaelducan wrote...

No it isn't, it's called being graceful. You complained and complained for years now, you got what you want, now accept that victory as well as accept that some people aren't happy with said victory. 

I didn't want S/S romances in ME3. Boo frickin hoo, they are there anyway. I'll still buy the game. Life goes on.

I've accepted people aren't happy with it. I've said that repeatedly. I can actually see things from other peoples' perspectives. 

You say "you" like there's a mass mob. I have my own views on how things should be implemented just as someone else who wishes to see same sex content can have different views to mine. It's not so black and white to be a "you" and "us" scenario. 

I was happy with Mass Effect, actually. I had my same sex romance with FemShep and Liara. There was even flirting with other female characters throughout the games but I didn't see all this furore over those like there is now. Why have so many people waited until now to get upset about the "gayness" in Mass Effect? Why weren't there calls for a toggle in the previous games?

[jlb524]

If BioWare was forcing every Shepard to engage in a homosexual romance or homosexual behavior, then I think these complaints would be warranted.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

Midey wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

massive_effect wrote...

Responding to the OP:
This is a disturbing development. The gay community filibustered the forums with their year-long "fight for the love" threads. Their behavior was the equivalent of flashing themselves in a gay-pride parade. Bioware listened to them?

Actually, some of the most vocal members of that thread were straight. Your rebuttal?

Everyone is straight.

Even Neil Patrick Harris?

Who is that?

Starship F*ckin Troopers man lol

Anyway, I myself am not gay but I have a number of gay friends, and I can confirm to Bioware that they are increasing their sales by doing this.  I have a couple of gay friends who always thought the Mass Effect games were interesting and what not, but pursued/bought other games instead due to the lack of S/S romances.  They were actually pretty excited when I informed them that the 3rd game will include the S/S option.

On another note, anyone who is straight and is comfortable enough with their sexuality, such as myself, won't give two sh*ts about or be weirded out by the inclusion of S/S romances.  I've had a couple of guys hit on me before, and I simply responded with a statement similar to "Sorry but I'm straight" and that was that.  The world did not end and I carried about with my business, as did they.  I'm sure Bioware will do a great job in making the issue as simple as possible to handle in the game.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

horizon011 wrote...

thanks reconteam even if you are pro same sex stuff ..

but seriously there wouldnt be a problem if it was just a optional thing..a button to click no at the sart of the game..it eliminates it for all the majority who dont want it..and keeps it there for the small community who need it there to create realism or whatever.

It is an optional thing.  Even in DA2 it was an optional thing.

So I guess there's no problem.

[bald man in a boat]

horizon011 wrote...

thanks reconteam even if you are pro same sex stuff ..

but seriously there wouldnt be a problem if it was just a optional thing..a button to click no at the sart of the game..it eliminates it for all the majority who dont want it..and keeps it there for the small community who need it there to create realism or whatever.

OK, but I want a button that gets rid of blacks and remands all the females in the game to stay silent until I speak to them.

[Phaelducan]

Erani wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Truth is, a certain, VERY small minority of the purchasers of ME1 and 2 spammed the forums repeatedly whining that their minority wasn't properly represented.... and it payed off by having the developers give them what they want.

Functionally it's no different than MMO forum spammers whining about their perceived class inbalances until they either get a boost or someone else gets nerfed.

I'd like to add that just because someone was not too active in the FFTL group/thread (perhaps just joined or lurked in shadows, busy with work, school etc) does not mean that he/she wouldn't support or enjoy s/s content.
In other words, there a people like myself who didn't open any threads or write many comments but still are happy with this new development. What's with this minority crap? How do you know how many people support or oppose s/s content? Maybe it's the other way, and it's those who don't want s/s LIs who are in the minority...I don't know, don't see any numbers. Obviously, BioWare decided to include romantic content for all orientations; didn't do it in the past, are doing it now, so what? Grow up.

/yawn

Millions of people played ME2. If you honestly think 51% actively found "something just missing" from the game experience and that something was s/s romances, you are a fool.

Gay at this point doesn't have anything to do with it, it's the endless beating of a dead horse. I liked Will and Grace, and I think Neil Patrick Harris is hilarious... does that mean when I play a Sci-Fi video game that the protagonist that HASN'T BEEN GAY for two full games suddenly is.. then I can't roll my eyes and be irritated?

You grow up, not every piece of entertainment media has to encompass all walks of life.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
The game already has a toggle for same-sex relationships; it's called NOT PURSUING THEM.

And the fact that it is optional does respect the viewpoints of others.  That's why it's an option.

So, yes, a "toggle" is not a compromise.  It's a stupid idea meant to pander to homophobes who are afraid of accidentally seeing gayness, or something.  Whatever your excuse is as to why you deem this absurd toggle necessary.

It is not optional if characters are being rewritten or "token gay guys" are being added. The truth is you never cared about the viewpoints of others, just what you wanted. Yet you pretended to be politically correct, all-accepting, all-noble, and all-reasonable the whole time.  A stupid idea? I think the entire addition of homosexual romances was a stupid idea to pander to a small minority who don't get out of the house enough. Whatever your excuse for demanding this, you should have left it to fan fiction.

[MACharlie1]

Shepard isn't suddenly gay. He suddenly has the option. You don't have to play your Shepard gay. Your Shepard is YOUR Shepard.

[SalsaDMA]

bald man in a boat wrote...

The insecurity that has made itself apparent in this thread is pathetically comical.

You have a very narrow experience of the world if you really think insecurity is the only explenation.

[SennenScale]

Shepard isn't set in stone. I think you are missing that.

Having the option to pursue a gay romance doesn't make your Shepard gay if you don't want them to be.

Hell, you have the option to pursue a gay romance IRL but you don't. Just because it's possible that you could if you wanted to doesn't mean you want to.

Modifié par SennenScale, 18 mai 2011 - 05:35 .

[horizon011]

wow that was just insane with the racism stuff...

Theres alot of people on this planet who have personal beliefs against homosexuality.
Theres alot of people who are religious who are against homosexuality
Alot of people just dont want forced ****** encounters.

I dont see why u need to go to racism to prove your point ? im well aware of the minorities who are extrememly racist to that point but your gender preference and your race are 2 severelly seperate things to me.

[bald man in a boat]

Phaelducan wrote...

Gay at this point doesn't have anything to do with it, it's the endless beating of a dead horse. I liked Will and Grace, and I think Neil Patrick Harris is hilarious... does that mean when I play a Sci-Fi video game that the protagonist that HASN'T BEEN GAY for two full games suddenly is.. then I can't roll my eyes and be irritated?

Actually what you've said there is wrong. Many people have played their Shepard's as gay, there just haven't been any romance options for them up until this point. Now there is.

Deal with it.

Modifié par bald man in a boat, 18 mai 2011 - 05:39 .

[Centauri2002]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Now you are the one being unreasonable. People are entitled to their opinions regarding the issue, and not purchasing a product that advocates stuff they don't agree with or find personally distatefull is a personally reasonable response. I'm sorry, but your opinion does not hold more 'worth' than their opinion, and certainly not when the matter concerns how they should spend their money.

You're making an assumption and if you'd taken any time to read through part of this thread at all, you would have seen I don't consider my view more important than anyone else's. I just don't think coming into a thread and throwing a tantrum is a very reasonable thing to do. However, voicing your opinion in a cohesive manner, even if it is opposing to mine is very reasonable. Such as you're doing. Just minus the assumptions.

And, no, it doesn't affect them. Everyone here is in agreement that ninjamancing should be excluded from the game. Shepard has to pursue any romantic interest to initiate it. Therefore, you won't have to deal with anything unwanted. 

If you're appalled by inclusiveness, I just hope that you never find yourself excluded from anything.

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 mai 2011 - 05:37 .

[Xsause]

horizon011 wrote...

wow that was just insane with the racism stuff...

Theres alot of people on this planet who have personal beliefs against homosexuality.
Theres alot of people who are religious who are against homosexuality
Alot of people just dont want forced ****** encounters.

I dont see why u need to go to racism to prove your point ? im well aware of the minorities who are extrememly racist to that point but your gender preference and your race are 2 severelly seperate things to me.

Homosexual encounters in ME3 will not be forced. They will be completely optional, just like any other romance.

[SennenScale]

You are not getting forced into M/M encounters.


Nobody wants a ninjamance. Nobody. None of us. On that, we ALL agree.

We just want our own Shepards to have an option to have a M/M or F/F relationship.

OPTION. As in, totally avoidable if you don't want it.

[Sahariel]

Phaelducan wrote...

Sahariel wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

A toggle is stupid, but so is enabling the S/S romances to begin with in the third game of a Trilogy. It's got nothing to do with this issue though. There won't be a toggle, Bioware wouldn't do that.

Truth is, a certain, VERY small minority of the purchasers of ME1 and 2 spammed the forums repeatedly whining that their minority wasn't properly represented.... and it payed off by having the developers give them what they want.

Functionally it's no different than MMO forum spammers whining about their perceived class inbalances until they either get a boost or someone else gets nerfed.

There is nothing stupid about tolerance and inclusion, and giving people a "put your fingers in your ears and go NANANANANANAN" toggle is.

Hmmm so just because when someone finds themselves in a minority they should accept not being represented? That is one of the most asinine repsonses I've seen on a forum in a long time.

It is hugely different, first of all when a class forum whines in an MMO that group will be made up of rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight, male, female gamers. When s/s options are left out that alienates an entire real world group.

No it's not. It's exactly the same. Whine whine whine, boo hoo, poor pitiful me I don't have what I want now so I'm going to complain about it until I do. Star Wars didn't have a homosexual love interest, neither did Lord of the Rings, there are tons of others. You choose to feel disenfranchised, it wasn't the lack of S/S options for Shepard. Hell you had them in Dragon Age 1 and 2, and Liara is functionally half of that equation for ME.

I don't care what color or orientation you are, but all representations don't HAVE to be represented in every single game product out there. Even worse is that ME1 and 2 were already established, so it's even more assinine to add it now.

Oh I get it you think you "Whine whine whine, boo hoo, poor pitiful me I don't have what I want" yourself, you'll get a change? Well you are off to a good start!!

Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings, were both written at time's where people were hugely prejudiced towards homosexuals. We live in gladly more enlightened times.

People didn't "choose" to be left out of s/s romance plots in ME1+2 the devs did that.

Dragon Age is a different series, what about s/s fans who like sci fi but not fantasy, to say that Liara is of no interest to those who want m/m options.

No not everything has to be represented at all time, but the more choice and inclusion the better, and you quite clearly do care what orientation people are or you wouldn't be so resistant now.

So it's asinine to make gameplay improvements and changes? Games, especially franchises make changes with each iteration, improvements and tweaks always happen, should ME2 + 3 be exact carbon copies of the first one?

You really are making quite a lot of whine with those sour grapes...

[Sphynx118]

Oh look. You guys are still at it. Im so surprised *Grabs popcorn*

[Nashiktal]

horizon011 wrote...

wow that was just insane with the racism stuff...

Theres alot of people on this planet who have personal beliefs against homosexuality.
Theres alot of people who are religious who are against homosexuality
Alot of people just dont want forced ****** encounters.

I dont see why u need to go to racism to prove your point ? im well aware of the minorities who are extrememly racist to that point but your gender preference and your race are 2 severelly seperate things to me.

You'd be surprised how many cultures either revolved, or involve homosexuality.

I would love to see your face as I describe them to you. 

[horizon011]

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

[Phaelducan]

Siansonea II wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

A toggle is stupid, but so is enabling the S/S romances to begin with in the third game of a Trilogy. It's got nothing to do with this issue though. There won't be a toggle, Bioware wouldn't do that.

Truth is, a certain, VERY small minority of the purchasers of ME1 and 2 spammed the forums repeatedly whining that their minority wasn't properly represented.... and it payed off by having the developers give them what they want.

Functionally it's no different than MMO forum spammers whining about their perceived class inbalances until they either get a boost or someone else gets nerfed.

A parable:

A restaurant that previously only served beef and chicken is now also serving tofu. For most customers, it's no big deal, they'll just keep ordering beef or chicken, in fact the restaurant is also offering some wonderful new beef and chicken dishes. Others might order beef and chicken most of the time, but also order a new tofu dish now and then, just for variety. But for others, the very idea that somebody could be ordering tofu in their restaurant when it wasn't on the menu from the beginning, well, that's just an outrage! They've been coming here for years, and never had to see tofu on the menu! If this restaurant wants to continue having their business, then they are going to have to have tofu-free menus, and rooms where people who want tofu can be seated away from everyone else, so no one else has to see them having their tofu. Or better yet, NO TOFU!! Those tofu people can make that stuff in the privacy of their own homes if they want, but don't go flaunting it in the rest of our faces. The very idea that somebody could be eating tofu...ewwwwwww. 

Really, that's what this all sounds like to me.

I'll see your parable, and raise you the same parable which actually applies.

Say I go to "Jack's House of Dead Cow + Sauce." They serve dead cow... with some sauce. Say I've gone there for 3 years because sometimes... I like the idea of a carnivorous dining experience, where I know I won't hear some Vegan next to me complaining that they don't have any Soy or Seytan or w/e the heck they want for a meat substitute.

Now... "Jack's House of Dead Cow + Sauce" decides that because a small group of Vegans has picketted outside their restaurant for long enough to be irritating enough to the management that they are going to add tofu and soy options.

That's their right, it's their restaurant. However, can they really be surprised if some of their already established client base thinks it's a stupid idea to cave?

Would I stop eating there? No, I like the food. Will I still enjoy it when I'm sitting there face deep in greasy BBQ ribs and some yahoo at the next table loudly proclaims "I'm glad they finally saw the sense in putting this tofu burger on the menu!"?

Nope, not as much.

[MACharlie1]

horizon011 wrote...

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

You either say "Yeah I want you" or you say "No, I don't want you" That seems pretty optional to me.