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[Sahariel]

horizon011 wrote...

wow that was just insane with the racism stuff...

Theres alot of people on this planet who have personal beliefs against homosexuality.
Theres alot of people who are religious who are against homosexuality
Alot of people just dont want forced ****** encounters.

I dont see why u need to go to racism to prove your point ? im well aware of the minorities who are extrememly racist to that point but your gender preference and your race are 2 severelly seperate things to me.

Well they went to racism to prove the point because they are right. You seem to think gender preference is a choice, when in actual fact just like race your sexual orientation is in your genes. The two are perfectly analagous to me.

[horizon011]

Im aware of some religions changing there bible rules to allow homosexuals in. but that doesnt change the fact that alot of people dont agree with them being allowed to do that and stick to the old teachings of the bible.

I can imagine alot of people losing faith and avoiding that gay priest.

[Servo to the bitter end]

horizon011 wrote...

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

I suspect it's going to be very optional. Anders hitting on you (and that's pretty much the only instance of it) was an exception that Gaider even admitted he'd do differently if he did it over.

None of the romances were ever initiated by an NPC in ME, and I'm certain that will not change. Chances are it will come up as one of several possible dialogue options. Just don't choose it - voila, it never enters into the equation.

[horizon011]

LOL im not even touching that subject " its not a choice " lol

[Sphynx118]

ReconTeam wrote...


It is not optional if characters are being rewritten or "token gay guys" are being added. The truth is you never cared about the viewpoints of others, just what you wanted. Yet you pretended to be politically correct, all-accepting, all-noble, and all-reasonable the whole time.  A stupid idea? I think the entire addition of homosexual romances was a stupid idea to pander to a small minority who don't get out of the house enough. Whatever your excuse for demanding this, you should have left it to fan fiction.

I see some truth here

[Mystranna Kelteel]

horizon011 wrote...
yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

You may have to talk to gay or bisexual people.  Just like in ME1 and ME2.

Sorry if that upsets you.
Well, no, I'm really not.  The fact that it upsets you is at once comical and sad.

[MACharlie1]

horizon011 wrote...

Im aware of some religions changing there bible rules to allow homosexuals in. but that doesnt change the fact that alot of people dont agree with them being allowed to do that and stick to the old teachings of the bible.

I can imagine alot of people losing faith and avoiding that gay priest.

Not everyone agrees with eating shell fish or women having their hair exposed either...<_<

[Xsause]

horizon011 wrote...

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

Think of it like this. At one point, you talk to bi character A as a male Shepard. Your dialogue options are:

A. [Romance line]
B. [Friendship line]
C. [Neutral line]
D. [Douchebag line]

Picking any option besides option A results in the game not allowing you to pursue the romance further, and will remove any aspect of gayness in your conversations with that character. Picking option A, however, results in the romance flag being raised.

[horizon011]

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

[Phaelducan]

bald man in a boat wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Gay at this point doesn't have anything to do with it, it's the endless beating of a dead horse. I liked Will and Grace, and I think Neil Patrick Harris is hilarious... does that mean when I play a Sci-Fi video game that the protagonist that HASN'T BEEN GAY for two full games suddenly is.. then I can't roll my eyes and be irritated?

Actually what you've said there is wrong. Many people have played their Shepard's as gay, there just haven't been any romance options for them up until this point. Now there is.

Deal with it.

Clearly I have stated that I will "deal with it" as I will play ME3. 

However, to your narrow-minded over generalization... allow me to retort.

You can RP anything you want. You can be gay Mario if you think that's how he rolls. What you can't do is say "Shep always was gay, I just couldn't actually be gay within the parameters of the programming" (well you can say it, clearly you are saying that, but that's childish).

If shep was gay, there would have been gay options. It was left out... *gasp*... because Shep wasn't gay. Two games where Shep was straight. Now in the third, it's been enabled to appease your complaining. RP has nothing to do with it, again, you can RP Shep as a necrophage if you want, but that doesn't make it so.

[SalsaDMA]

SennenScale wrote...

Shepard isn't set in stone. I think you are missing that.

Having the option to pursue a gay romance doesn't make your Shepard gay if you don't want them to be.

Hell, you have the option to pursue a gay romance IRL but you don't. Just because it's possible that you could if you wanted to doesn't mean you want to.

In real life you have 100% control over how you carry yourself, in appearance, manner and speech.

In the game you don't have such a control. Need I remind you of practically anyone playing a female Shepard NOT interested in having Jacob as LI, yet feeling extremely uncomfortably by talking with him because of how Shepard acted in conversations with him?

[Sphynx118]

Sahariel wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

wow that was just insane with the racism stuff...

Theres alot of people on this planet who have personal beliefs against homosexuality.
Theres alot of people who are religious who are against homosexuality
Alot of people just dont want forced ****** encounters.

I dont see why u need to go to racism to prove your point ? im well aware of the minorities who are extrememly racist to that point but your gender preference and your race are 2 severelly seperate things to me.

Well they went to racism to prove the point because they are right. You seem to think gender preference is a choice, when in actual fact just like race your sexual orientation is in your genes. The two are perfectly analagous to me.

That makes racism ok? 

" Hey i just burned down this kindergarden! But its ok tho. I did it to prove a point that is correct LOLOLOLO"

[MACharlie1]

horizon011 wrote...

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

Who are you talking about? If it's about Anders then your in the wrong section, buddy. Two totally different developing teams. 

[Nashiktal]

horizon011 wrote...

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

Thats your problem dude. 

Of course its extrememly flawed. In fact, you could stomp on his heart and tear him a new one if you wanted and still get his loyalty. If you are dealing in gay stuff to metagame, well its just hilarious.

[SennenScale]

horizon011 wrote...

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

Dude. It was optional. You have both a yes and a no, with helpful little icons that show a heart and a broken heart. How is that not optional?

[Servo to the bitter end]

horizon011 wrote...

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

Well, you felt wrong. I turned him down and maxed his friendship early on. 10 rivalry is a drop in the bucket.

[horizon011]

Xsause wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

Think of it like this. At one point, you talk to bi character A as a male Shepard. Your dialogue options are:

A. [Romance line]
B. [Friendship line]
C. [Neutral line]
D. [Douchebag line]

Picking any option besides option A results in the game not allowing you to pursue the romance further, and will remove any aspect of gayness in your conversations with that character. Picking option A, however, results in the romance flag being raised.

If there was no gay trace in the conversation after i immediately said no than it wouldnt be so bad and i wouldnt care about it... but in dragon age 2 it seemed most of the things said to that gay guy was gay in some way..

Why cant bioware just make this a optional thing ? like ive been saying? just like call of duty with there "do u want this restricted" pop up...

[SennenScale]

horizon011 wrote...

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

You are aware you can rival people and they're still loyal, aren't you?

[Centauri2002]

horizon011 wrote...

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

What you felt and what is aren't necessarily the same thing. And Mass Effect doesn't have a loyalty system that revolves around dialogue options. If you don't want a same sex romance, just don't ask any male characters out. 

[MACharlie1]

SalsaDMA wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Shepard isn't set in stone. I think you are missing that.

Having the option to pursue a gay romance doesn't make your Shepard gay if you don't want them to be.

Hell, you have the option to pursue a gay romance IRL but you don't. Just because it's possible that you could if you wanted to doesn't mean you want to.

In real life you have 100% control over how you carry yourself, in appearance, manner and speech.

In the game you don't have such a control. Need I remind you of practically anyone playing a female Shepard NOT interested in having Jacob as LI, yet feeling extremely uncomfortably by talking with him because of how Shepard acted in conversations with him?

Not all gay men carry themselves as some pixie. I would say most of them behave as you would expect a man to behave. 

[Servo to the bitter end]

horizon011 wrote..


If there was no gay trace in the conversation after i immediately said no than it wouldnt be so bad and i wouldnt care about it... but in dragon age 2 it seemed most of the things said to that gay guy was gay in some way..

Why cant bioware just make this a optional thing ? like ive been saying? just like call of duty with there "do u want this restricted" pop up...

You mean like "hit this button if you want to initiate a romance?"

[Nashiktal]

horizon011 wrote...

Xsause wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

yea but how optional ? can u remove all trace of it from the start of the game ?..or is it like dragon age 2 because to me that wasnt optional.

Think of it like this. At one point, you talk to bi character A as a male Shepard. Your dialogue options are:

A. [Romance line]
B. [Friendship line]
C. [Neutral line]
D. [Douchebag line]

Picking any option besides option A results in the game not allowing you to pursue the romance further, and will remove any aspect of gayness in your conversations with that character. Picking option A, however, results in the romance flag being raised.

If there was no gay trace in the conversation after i immediately said no than it wouldnt be so bad and i wouldnt care about it... but in dragon age 2 it seemed most of the things said to that gay guy was gay in some way..

Why cant bioware just make this a optional thing ? like ive been saying? just like call of duty with there "do u want this restricted" pop up...

Really? Unelss you picked the heart nothing Hawke said sounded gay to me. If you really think that you could always just be mean to him. Its only a slight drop in rivalry. (Which isnt bad. You keep his loyalty as long as you are down either rival OR friend path.)

[Wittand25]

Phaelducan wrote...
I'll see your parable, and raise you the same parable which actually applies.

Say I go to "Jack's House of Dead Cow + Sauce." They serve dead cow... with some sauce. Say I've gone there for 3 years because sometimes... I like the idea of a carnivorous dining experience, where I know I won't hear some Vegan next to me complaining that they don't have any Soy or Seytan or w/e the heck they want for a meat substitute.

Now... "Jack's House of Dead Cow + Sauce" decides that because a small group of Vegans has picketted outside their restaurant for long enough to be irritating enough to the management that they are going to add tofu and soy options.

That's their right, it's their restaurant. However, can they really be surprised if some of their already established client base thinks it's a stupid idea to cave?

Would I stop eating there? No, I like the food. Will I still enjoy it when I'm sitting there face deep in greasy BBQ ribs and some yahoo at the next table loudly proclaims "I'm glad they finally saw the sense in putting this tofu burger on the menu!"?

Nope, not as much.

Sorry that does not apply at all. since everyone has their own game and does not get information on other player´s games. So your straight Shepard, who by the way can actually make clear that he is straight for the first time by saying no to the male LI, will not affected by my gay one who romances a male LI.
You are upset about something that you will only see if you want it to see. Pick the "No thanks, I am straight" response and your Shepard will remain straight.

Modifié par Wittand25, 18 mai 2011 - 05:50 .

[Sphynx118]

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

I felt i needed to click the gay stuff just to get him loyal i felt like i was in the situation where i needed to say things that to me sounded gay. I didnt take it to the end but alot of the conversation with that guy seemed highly gay. And that to me is forced

You are aware you can rival people and they're still loyal, aren't you?

And if he doesnt want a rival relationship?