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[Xsause]

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Just like most people I know are open-minded about this sort of thing.

[MACharlie1]

SalsaDMA wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I fail to see how the general customer group is going to feel any negative impact because of this inclusiveness. That is, if ninjamancing is not present in ME3, which we all hope it won't be.

Including stuff means exluding other stuff. Resources (both time and money) aren't limitless, after all. Especially at this point in time of the games development.

Token guy getting included while previous fan-favourites get booted to a cameo role = people getting less game because of it.

Previous fan favourites getting re-written to cater to the vocalists = people liking the characters as they were getting disregarded because of it.

doesn't matter how you play it out. Including it means you are excluding something or someone else, and that means it negatively affects other customers.

Well. This is inaccurate. From Casey's tweets it seems like they developed the game and the characters and where they want them to be. Then they discussed the romance options. Lets say Vega was this "token character" - based on Casey's tweets - he was already going to be there and a main character. 

[Servo to the bitter end]

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

So most of the people you know are terrible people?

Why are you playing Mass Effect - or any Bioware game at all? They have a history of including S/S relationships.

Just a reminder - Shepard has been a lesbian - or bisexual - since the first game. So this isn't really anything new. They're expanding the parameters of the character to where they should be.

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mai 2011 - 06:10 .

[M-Sinistrari]

Nyoka wrote...

I don't get how a thread in the forum can be irritating. Can't you just not read it? It's not like the thread opens automatically on your computer and takes over your monitor. You have to click on the name, voluntarily, to enter.

I think it's like when someone posts a link to a shock image like goatse, you cursor over the link to see that's where it's going to go, you dont' really want to see it but damn if you still do click the link.

We all suffer from some degree of click link syndrome.

[horizon011]

of course there will be a drop..its a no brainer! look at the responses in this thread! look at the people who hate gays ? soo many men hate gays its not funny.. to think there will be no drop in sales because of this gay stuff would be insane..thats like saying everyone loves queer eye with the gay guys or watever

[Centauri2002]

Can I ask that we steer the topic of conversation away from peoples' opinions on sexuality in the real world to the manner in which same sex romances are implemented within the game itself? Whether that be from a gameplay perspective or a story one. This forum isn't for political debate.

[MACharlie1]

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Society changes, buddy. 60 years ago you and your bros would be saying the same about blacks. 

[Wittand25]

Phaelducan wrote...
I'm not upset that he can be gay, I'm irritated that he wasn't able to be gay for two games (which was not an oversight, it was a dev decision), and now he is because if incessant whining.

As to remaining straight, I've played a gay protagonist in Dragon Age 1 and 2, as well as in Fallout: NV. The difference is that they were gay since the origin of the character. They started that way, they didn't just all of a sudden have a switch thrown (a toggle, if you will?) and have it be an option.

That's why it's so stupid, Shep was one way, now he/she's another, and the ONLY reason they  are the new way is because of the complaining of a vocal minority. 

The whole "my shep was always gay" argument is ludicrous. Shep wasn't gay in 1 and 2, and only delusional thinking indicates otherwise. No more logical than Mario being gay.

I have a Shepard who is gay since ME1.
Just because there was no male that he could flirt with does not mean that he was straight so far. There is no delusion required since at no point during the first two games is Shepard required to show any interest in women .OK some things can be tricky to avoid, but they can be avoided.
Not to mention that a thing like bisexuality does exist.

And in FO:NV you had to use a switch at level two to be able to be gay so what are you talking about.

[Russalka]

SalsaDMA wrote...
Including stuff means exluding other stuff. Resources (both time and money) aren't limitless, after all. Especially at this point in time of the games development.

Token guy getting included while previous fan-favourites get booted to a cameo role = people getting less game because of it.

Previous fan favourites getting re-written to cater to the vocalists = people liking the characters as they were getting disregarded because of it.

doesn't matter how you play it out. Including it means you are excluding something or someone else, and that means it negatively affects other customers.

Let's have a witch hunt for every detail you think wastes resources, then.

[bald man in a boat]

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Then most people you know are losers, bigots and insecure pieces of sh!t. Get new friends.

[horizon011]

because id be racist against my own family ? i can safely say blacks have never been a issue towards me.. but thats a race thing again not a sexual preference.

Is this game catering for all the other sex pref communities ? or is it just headro/****** ?

[Sphynx118]

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Its like the fashion or art industry. A painting can look like a blob a 3 year old made but its still GOOD ART OMG.

And a dress can look like **** but its still high fashion. You cant explain why its like that. Screaming about how you love the gay community is considered "cool and hip" atm.

In a few years something else will take that place.

[SennenScale]

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Most people I know don't.

horizon011 wrote...
Not being a troll so please just someone inform me on how this is please ? help me understand what there thinking?!

Let's talk percentages.

Lets assume there are 5% gays, 5% bisexuals, and 5% straight gamers who want a gay Shepard.

15%.

The 10% is offset easily.

Phaelducan wrote...

The whole "my shep was always gay"
argument is ludicrous. Shep wasn't gay in 1 and 2, and only delusional
thinking indicates otherwise. No more logical than Mario being gay.

Mario is a non customizable character that has a canonical LI that he rescues every game.

Shepard, whose sex, childhood, apperance, military history, and personality is open ended ( or rather, painted in broad strokes open to interpretation) has 9 possiblities so far, accounting for both sexes. And Femshep can be gay in the very first game.

Modifié par SennenScale, 18 mai 2011 - 06:13 .

[Centauri2002]

SalsaDMA wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I fail to see how the general customer group is going to feel any negative impact because of this inclusiveness. That is, if ninjamancing is not present in ME3, which we all hope it won't be.

Including stuff means exluding other stuff. Resources (both time and money) aren't limitless, after all. Especially at this point in time of the games development.

Token guy getting included while previous fan-favourites get booted to a cameo role = people getting less game because of it.

Previous fan favourites getting re-written to cater to the vocalists = people liking the characters as they were getting disregarded because of it.

doesn't matter how you play it out. Including it means you are excluding something or someone else, and that means it negatively affects other customers.

The new LIs will be open to heterosexual relationships as well as same sex relationships. That's more content for everyone. How is that excluding anyone?

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 mai 2011 - 06:11 .

[SalsaDMA]

bald man in a boat wrote...

You can RP anything you want. You can be gay Mario if you think that's how he rolls. What you can't do is say "Shep always was gay, I just couldn't actually be gay within the parameters of the programming" (well you can say it, clearly you are saying that, but that's childish).

Congrats on calling a demographic of players childish.

Grats on lumping an entire demographic into one box bald. If it wasn't so sad to witness, it would be hillarious how daft people can construct arguments:
Person A: People doing a circle around themselves before walking are silly.
Person B: Grats on calling all people that can walk for silly!!!

You're person B in the above example, Bald, in case you can't figure it out.

[bald man in a boat]

What's headro?

[Cartims]

Headro?....oooooo there's a new one YAYYYYYY

[horizon011]

LOL @ 5% each.. i think ud fine the larger group would be hedro and the gays would be very little


http://www.urbandict....php?term=hedro


but i spelt it wrong its late here my bad spelling police lol

Modifié par horizon011, 18 mai 2011 - 06:13 .

[Siansonea]

Phaelducan wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...
I'll see your parable, and raise you the same parable which actually applies.

Say I go to "Jack's House of Dead Cow + Sauce." They serve dead cow... with some sauce. Say I've gone there for 3 years because sometimes... I like the idea of a carnivorous dining experience, where I know I won't hear some Vegan next to me complaining that they don't have any Soy or Seytan or w/e the heck they want for a meat substitute.

Now... "Jack's House of Dead Cow + Sauce" decides that because a small group of Vegans has picketted outside their restaurant for long enough to be irritating enough to the management that they are going to add tofu and soy options.

That's their right, it's their restaurant. However, can they really be surprised if some of their already established client base thinks it's a stupid idea to cave?

Would I stop eating there? No, I like the food. Will I still enjoy it when I'm sitting there face deep in greasy BBQ ribs and some yahoo at the next table loudly proclaims "I'm glad they finally saw the sense in putting this tofu burger on the menu!"?

Nope, not as much.

Sorry that does not apply at all. since everyone has their own game and does not get information on other player´s games. So your straight Shepard, who by the way can actually make clear that he is straight for the first time by saying no to the male LI, will not affected by my gay one who romances a male LI.
You are upset about something that you will only see if you want it to see. Pick the "No thanks, I am straight" response and your Shepard will remain straight.

I'm not upset that he can be gay, I'm irritated that he wasn't able to be gay for two games (which was not an oversight, it was a dev decision), and now he is because if incessant whining.

As to remaining straight, I've played a gay protagonist in Dragon Age 1 and 2, as well as in Fallout: NV. The difference is that they were gay since the origin of the character. They started that way, they didn't just all of a sudden have a switch thrown (a toggle, if you will?) and have it be an option.

That's why it's so stupid, Shep was one way, now he/she's another, and the ONLY reason they  are the new way is because of the complaining of a vocal minority. 

The whole "my shep was always gay" argument is ludicrous. Shep wasn't gay in 1 and 2, and only delusional thinking indicates otherwise. No more logical than Mario being gay.

"I'm upset that other people's games are going to be unrealistic, even though they will enjoy them."

That's what it sounds like to me. I thought the Garrus and Tali romances were beyond preposterous. I mean, really? I giant bird-cricket? Do they even have...never mind. And quarians? Talk about a logistical nightmare. Why would Shepard...why would Tali...I just...ugh. But, you know what? Whatever. People like it. If I can get past that, I'm sure the rest of you can get past Shepard taking a while to find the right human man to settle down with, after not flirting with Kaidan and Jacob in the first two games.

[Sphynx118]

MACharlie1 wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Society changes, buddy. 60 years ago you and your bros would be saying the same about blacks. 

Implying being anti gay is somehow the same as being racist. Wow im not agianst gay people but thats insulting towards people who have a different opinion than you or me

[SalsaDMA]

centauri2002 wrote...

Can I ask that we steer the topic of conversation away from peoples' opinions on sexuality in the real world to the manner in which same sex romances are implemented within the game itself? Whether that be from a gameplay perspective or a story one. This forum isn't for political debate.

People were asked for opinions. People are giving opinions.

*shrug*

[Russalka]

Sphynx118 wrote...
Implying being anti gay is somehow the same as being racist. Wow im not agianst gay people but thats insulting towards people who have a different opinion than you or me

People can't help be gay nor black.

Modifié par Russalka, 18 mai 2011 - 06:14 .

[M-Sinistrari]

Russalka wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
Including stuff means exluding other stuff. Resources (both time and money) aren't limitless, after all. Especially at this point in time of the games development.

Token guy getting included while previous fan-favourites get booted to a cameo role = people getting less game because of it.

Previous fan favourites getting re-written to cater to the vocalists = people liking the characters as they were getting disregarded because of it.

doesn't matter how you play it out. Including it means you are excluding something or someone else, and that means it negatively affects other customers.

Let's have a witch hunt for every detail you think wastes resources, then.

Can I start one for the additional costumes content?

[Sphynx118]

bald man in a boat wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

how is this cool ?? most people i know hate gays and avoid anything gay

Then most people you know are losers, bigots and insecure pieces of sh!t. Get new friends.

Not making yourself look any less like a loser here dude. Way to go personal. Chill