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[horizon011]

my bad erani but i was talking to the community not 1 particular homosexual user.

Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

[Centauri2002]

horizon011 wrote...

whats the correct term im sorry i dont know what umm your community is called correctly i just assumed

That wasn't really my point. It's that you're lumping everyone together into one group of people and considering us all as different to you. Yes, we differ in opinion but not as human beings.

So just simple use "you" if you must, instead of a label. 

[SennenScale]

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

[Siansonea]

horizon011 wrote...

my bad erani but i was talking to the community not 1 particular homosexual user.

Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

EVERYONE wants it to be player choice. That's why we have the dialogue wheel, so players can choose who their Shepard is. Every choice reinforces that Shepard's individuality. No one wants to take away any options from other players.

[Cainne Chapel]

I've mentioned before Horizon, I've played DA2 quite a bit, Gay or bi characters were HARDLY a detraction from that game.

Plus, the ONLY time i've seen it come up is with Zevran...which, was...well.... expected of him, given his nature in DA:O.

Anyway, you DO have a true choice... dont pick that option. Whats so hard to understand about that?

I didn't with Anders or Zevran in DA2 (Or Merill or the Pirate girl for that matter).
and yet I feel that's still not enough for you...

[Sphynx118]

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

Modifié par Sphynx118, 18 mai 2011 - 07:13 .

[horizon011]

because like i said..i felt he was acting gay no matter what i wanted.. if its a true choice than im happy for the *******?? community to get what they want.. its all ive been saying

[jlb524]

Sphynx118 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

Nah, Isabela was a pie.

[Wereparrot]

Phaelducan wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Back to the op asking for our own personal opinions...s/s for new characters or old characters who were not LI's is fine with me but I think how most people view the previous LI's have already been solidified in their minds and to change it now is only going to cause a firestorm of anger. The direction this thread has taken proves that.

As for those that don't want it at all...since BW has already made their decision...just don't buy the game if it's that big of a problem for you.

No offense, but that's lame. When the issue came up in both DA2 and after ME1, a frequent response to the Fight for the Love posters was "don't buy the game." Yet... continued complaining and millions of words on the subject later....

You reap what you sow, this issue IS going to ****** a lot of people off, and I guarantee that months after the game comes out people that didn't want the change will still be complaining about it. I won't be one of them, as really once the game is out who gives a rip, but some people will never let this go. Bioware will go down as making one of the most boneheaded and unneccessary design alterations in recent game history (and no, I'm not saying it will kill their sales, but it definitely won't help them either)... and for what? To appease maybe 500 people on their own in-house forums.

This... was... stupid.

I'm still not sure why you're so upset that other people will have options in their games that you don't have to choose. Your game is not affected. Okay, maybe they had to cut out an N7 mission where you follow an YMIR mech around and shoot some varren to make room on one of the discs for some same-sex lovin', but honestly, did you really think following an YMIR mech around and shooting varren was adding a new dimension to your game? Does the fact that other players want to bone a broad-hipped chicken in a purple wetsuit really take away from your game? Does the fact that somewhere in an alternate universe someone else's Shepard might prefer to get his freak on with another dude really affect your game? Really, what IS the big deal?

It's not a big deal, it's over and done with. I will play the game, and probably really enjoy it. With that said, it was STILL a stupid decision to implement it after 2 games for such a small group of vocal dissenters (who just like me, would have still played ME3 regardless).

I reserve the right to point at Bioware and say "That's dumb. You're dumb. Fight for the Love is Dumb."

Do I expect anything to change? No way, I have accepted the result. I think it's absurd, but I've accepted it. To use a sports analogy, as a Raiders fan I think the Tuck Rule ruling in the Snow Bowl was one of the worst calls in NFL history (seconded perhaps by the Immaculate Reception, which also went against my team).

Fact is, the calls went the way they did, and my team lost a playoff game. Of course I accept the result, but the decision making that went into the result (in this case with s/s romances) I reserve the right to point out as absolutely misguided, pointless, and wrong.

Same. I am resigned, but reserve the right to complain, much to the annoyance of the holier-than-thou brigade trying to slam people for homophobia while clearly not taking the slightest bit of notice of what various people have been trying to say about the timing of this development.

The question now is: will Bioware make a compromise of sorts so that all the old LIs remain straight? Bioware have listened to a malcontent minority; now I hope they will heed the concerns of the No camp and grant us this compromise.

[Nashiktal]

Sphynx118 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face

If I offer you a choice between banana and bavarian pie you have a choice to eat one. both or none. Doesn't change the fact it was entirely optional.

[Centauri2002]

Sphynx118 wrote...

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

The same sex content is not going to be thrown in your face. I was able to avoid every heterosexual romance in Mass Effect. I'm sure you can manage the same for same sex romance. As long as they avoid anything remotely FemShep/Jacob-like, there's no problem.

[Cartims]

Sphynx118 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

I think it's more like, the pie is ON the table...eat it or not....

Modifié par Cartims, 18 mai 2011 - 07:16 .

[Siansonea]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Erani wrote...

horizon011 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

Okay, can I ask you to stop addressing us all as "gays". I don't go around calling you "hetero". Also, a lot of people in support of same sex romances are straight.

whats the correct term im sorry i dont know what umm your community is called correctly i just assumed

Just make use of the username?
Not everyone who wants same-sex content is gay you know.

True. Some straight people wanna be hip and cool too so they just agrre with whatevah. Jk jk

Well, at least you all recognize that being fair and compassionate toward people is hip and cool. You should try it sometime, rather than just focusing on your own point of view. Honestly, I find this victim mentality of this self-style intolerant majority to be quite silly. You don't even have to give up anything, you don't have to change the way you do things in any way, and yet you want to call 'foul' because more players are getting options they want? I'm sorry, but that's just not reasonable. Yes, you will have to choose to not flirt with the gay dude in the game. We'll hold your hand. We'll get you through it. 

Modifié par Siansonea II, 18 mai 2011 - 07:20 .

[jlb524]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I've mentioned before Horizon, I've played DA2 quite a bit, Gay or bi characters were HARDLY a detraction from that game.

Plus, the ONLY time i've seen it come up is with Zevran...which, was...well.... expected of him, given his nature in DA:O.

Anyway, you DO have a true choice... dont pick that option. Whats so hard to understand about that?

I didn't with Anders or Zevran in DA2 (Or Merill or the Pirate girl for that matter).
and yet I feel that's still not enough for you...

I'm wondering the same thing. 

I RPd a lesbian Hawke and was able to navigate all these LIs throwing themselves at me in order to just romance the person I wished.  In fact, they really didn't come on to my Hawke at all....only saw it with Anders in one playthrough but she turned him down and moved on with her bad self...simples.

[Phaelducan]

Siansonea II wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

Back to the op asking for our own personal opinions...s/s for new characters or old characters who were not LI's is fine with me but I think how most people view the previous LI's have already been solidified in their minds and to change it now is only going to cause a firestorm of anger. The direction this thread has taken proves that.

As for those that don't want it at all...since BW has already made their decision...just don't buy the game if it's that big of a problem for you.

No offense, but that's lame. When the issue came up in both DA2 and after ME1, a frequent response to the Fight for the Love posters was "don't buy the game." Yet... continued complaining and millions of words on the subject later....

You reap what you sow, this issue IS going to ****** a lot of people off, and I guarantee that months after the game comes out people that didn't want the change will still be complaining about it. I won't be one of them, as really once the game is out who gives a rip, but some people will never let this go. Bioware will go down as making one of the most boneheaded and unneccessary design alterations in recent game history (and no, I'm not saying it will kill their sales, but it definitely won't help them either)... and for what? To appease maybe 500 people on their own in-house forums.

This... was... stupid.

I'm still not sure why you're so upset that other people will have options in their games that you don't have to choose. Your game is not affected. Okay, maybe they had to cut out an N7 mission where you follow an YMIR mech around and shoot some varren to make room on one of the discs for some same-sex lovin', but honestly, did you really think following an YMIR mech around and shooting varren was adding a new dimension to your game? Does the fact that other players want to bone a broad-hipped chicken in a purple wetsuit really take away from your game? Does the fact that somewhere in an alternate universe someone else's Shepard might prefer to get his freak on with another dude really affect your game? Really, what IS the big deal?

It's not a big deal, it's over and done with. I will play the game, and probably really enjoy it. With that said, it was STILL a stupid decision to implement it after 2 games for such a small group of vocal dissenters (who just like me, would have still played ME3 regardless).

I reserve the right to point at Bioware and say "That's dumb. You're dumb. Fight for the Love is Dumb."

Do I expect anything to change? No way, I have accepted the result. I think it's absurd, but I've accepted it. To use a sports analogy, as a Raiders fan I think the Tuck Rule ruling in the Snow Bowl was one of the worst calls in NFL history (seconded perhaps by the Immaculate Reception, which also went against my team).

Fact is, the calls went the way they did, and my team lost a playoff game. Of course I accept the result, but the decision making that went into the result (in this case with s/s romances) I reserve the right to point out as absolutely misguided, pointless, and wrong.

Well, I have my own laundry list of things I thought were dumb decisions. But I'm not spamming the Tali fan thread with reasons why boning a broad-hipped chicken in a wetsuit was a dumb idea, or spamming the Garrus fan thread with reasons why banging a giant bird cricket who may or may not even have compatible genitalia is a dumb idea, or spamming the Cerberus Is Teh Awesome threads with reasons why I think working with Cerberus goes against everything my Paragon Shepards stood for, or spamming the thermal clip and omnigel threads with reasons why...etc. We get it, you hate the idea of Gay Shepard. I hate the idea of Cerberus Whipping Boy Shepard, Talimancing Shepard, Garrusmancing Shepard, and Risen-From-The-Grave-And-No-One-Cares Shepard. But oh well. I'm not going to constantly go into those corresponding threads and swat people on the nose for liking those very things. This game's big enough for all of us to be happy with our favorite things.

You seem intelligent, at least in that you can't possible equate  your examples with being even vaguely as controversial or polarizing as s/s romances for the lead protagonist (pretty much just gay male shepard, as femshep isn't really an issue at this point).

Besides, people didn't even have a right to complain about those things you mentioned until they at least played through the game once. Simply enabling a s/s romance for a male shepard is something Bioware knew would be controversial, and even if they were going to go ahead and do it, they should never have released the information beforehand (strictly financially speaking, this was a poor decision).

[SennenScale]

Sphynx118 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

Anders accidentally flirts then apologizes, asking you if it made you uncomfortable. If you consider that a pie to the face, you're a bit too sensitive for you own good, TBH.

Zevran didn't throw you down to the floor, either, and actually, nothing could come of the flirting in DA2 at all.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

DA2 was a shambles anyway, so hopefully ME3 won't be the same. If they get it wrong in ME3, that's me and Bioware done. I just don't want to play a game rampant with homosexuality or indeed continue giving support to a company that will bend over backwards to accomodate a 500 strong vocal minority.

(For the retards, no, that doesn't make me a homophobe, it makes me a straight guy. I couldn't give a toss what you say, watching 2 gay guys or being come onto by a gay bloke makes a straight guy uncomfortable. Fact. If you say otherwise, well, you're only lying to yourself and you should get the **** down from your soap-box. It's "normal" for it to make you uneasy.)

[Sphynx118]

Cartims wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

I think it's more like, the pie is ON the table...eat it or not....you know you want to eat it...lol

Yeah that would be the optimal choice;) If they just keep the pie on the table and not jumping in your face i think alot of these "teh gay nay" people would calm down

[bald man in a boat]

 Can aliens really be considered "bi" when it comes to other species?

Anyways, I can see Tali warming up to femshep over the course of the trilogy and it fitting in to the story just fine. 

Garrus and manshep not so much really at all. 

Kasumi could be bi. 

We know Jack has been with girls in the past but seems to enjoy meatier treats. 

I don't view asari as being "bi", I see them as "omnisexual". So Liara, Samara or whoever don't really apply here.

Ashley. I dunno, I think it'd b cool if she were straight. 

Miranda I'm on the fence about, depends on the writing.

Jacob is dead.

Thane could be an equal opportunity player.

Wrex, Grunt, Mordin and Legion are like "Hell no. No romance thanks." 

It'd be hilarious if Zaeed was gay. All things considered, I'm pretty sure his character is straight.

Dr.Chakwas would make a great lesbian character. Not necessarily romance-able.

EDI is the intercom.

Your hamster is yours to do whatever you want with it. Please think of poor Lemmiwinks before sending him on the greatest adventure.

No intel on the new peeps yet.

[horizon011]

maybe the people who played the game are more open to behaviours and dont notice the same things people like me do ?? is that a possibility jib524 or am i just stupid like alot of other hateful people have said ?

[Nashiktal]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

DA2 was a shambles anyway, so hopefully ME3 won't be the same. If they get it wrong in ME3, that's me and Bioware done. I just don't want to play a game rampant with homosexuality or indeed continue giving support to a company that will bend over backwards to accomodate a 500 strong vocal minority.

(For the retards, no, that doesn't make me a homophobe, it makes me a straight guy. I couldn't give a toss what you say, watching 2 gay guys or being come onto by a gay bloke makes a straight guy uncomfortable. Fact. If you say otherwise, well, you're only lying to yourself and you should get the **** down from your soap-box. It's "normal" for it to make you uneasy.)

BWAHAHAHA

Another person who didn't play DA2, or at least didn't pay attention. If you actually think it was forced upon you, even a little, then you need to get your head checked. You say no, anders gets miffed, he apologizes, and you get to keep your manliness.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm convinced it will be one character of each orientation; namely, James for MxM, a yet-to-be-announced female companion for FxF, and Liara. The rest will stay the same.

[SennenScale]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

No, it wasn't, It was trivially easy to max out his friendship or rivarly regardless.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Screw it, I'm done with this. Wasting too much time continuing a pointless debate. What's done is done.

If they screw it up in ME3 with too much gayness, I'll just consider ME2 the end and play through The Witcher 2.

[Russalka]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm convinced it will be one character of each orientation; namely, James for MxM, a yet-to-be-announced female companion for FxF, and Liara. The rest will stay the same.

I would be happy with that. I wouldn't mind more though.