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[Phaelducan]

Nashiktal wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

DA2 was a shambles anyway, so hopefully ME3 won't be the same. If they get it wrong in ME3, that's me and Bioware done. I just don't want to play a game rampant with homosexuality or indeed continue giving support to a company that will bend over backwards to accomodate a 500 strong vocal minority.

(For the retards, no, that doesn't make me a homophobe, it makes me a straight guy. I couldn't give a toss what you say, watching 2 gay guys or being come onto by a gay bloke makes a straight guy uncomfortable. Fact. If you say otherwise, well, you're only lying to yourself and you should get the **** down from your soap-box. It's "normal" for it to make you uneasy.)

BWAHAHAHA

Another person who didn't play DA2, or at least didn't pay attention. If you actually think it was forced upon you, even a little, then you need to get your head checked. You say no, anders gets miffed, he apologizes, and you get to keep your manliness.

If you were correct, Gaider wouldn't have said he would have written Anders differently.

[JamesMoriarty123]

SennenScale wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

No, it wasn't, It was trivially easy to max out his friendship or rivarly regardless.

I didn't say max out his friendship/rivalry, I said be his friend. You could NOT have a platonic relationship with him.

[Russalka]

Phaelducan wrote...

If you were correct, Gaider wouldn't have said he would have written Anders differently.

Are you a telepath?

[Servo to the bitter end]

horizon011 wrote...

maybe the people who played the game are more open to behaviours and dont notice the same things people like me do ?? is that a possibility jib524 or am i just stupid like alot of other hateful people have said ?

Everyone noticed Anders. If you don't want to pursue him, regardless of gender, that was a bummer, and probably a lousy design decision. But your friendship with him is unaffected.

That's really the only time it happens in DA2. I don't like invoking stereotypes, but there's nothing else apart from his initial proposition (and then only to Male Hawke) that suggests he's either orientation.

[jlb524]

horizon011 wrote...

maybe the people who played the game are more open to behaviours and dont notice the same things people like me do ?? is that a possibility jib524 or am i just stupid like alot of other hateful people have said ?

You mean, played DA2?  I've played through the whole of it about 5 times already.  As a female character, I had a few guys flirt with her or oggle her and, of the LIs, only Anders ever said something (and I only saw that once or twice).  I don't even recall Isabela flriting with her unless she flirted first.  The two elven LIs are quite reserved.

Are you saying you never played the game?

[Cainne Chapel]

Well James i'm gonna have to disagree with you on it being FORCED on you in DA 2. My relationship with anders was strictly professional... until i had to kill him...

Anyway, does watching 2 gay guys flirt near me make me uncomfortable? Yes, but no more so than ANY couple and gratuitous public displays. Now I cant say i've ever been hit on by a gay guy and it MAY make me uncomfortable depending ont he setting, but I'm comfortable enough with myself that it wouldn't throw me off that much.

Fortunately I've grown up among many different types of people so other than the occassional head tilt, nothing bothers me really

[Phaelducan]

Russalka wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

If you were correct, Gaider wouldn't have said he would have written Anders differently.

Are you a telepath?

I didn't say it, he did.

[Centauri2002]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

DA2 was a shambles anyway, so hopefully ME3 won't be the same. If they get it wrong in ME3, that's me and Bioware done. I just don't want to play a game rampant with homosexuality or indeed continue giving support to a company that will bend over backwards to accomodate a 500 strong vocal minority.

(For the retards, no, that doesn't make me a homophobe, it makes me a straight guy. I couldn't give a toss what you say, watching 2 gay guys or being come onto by a gay bloke makes a straight guy uncomfortable. Fact. If you say otherwise, well, you're only lying to yourself and you should get the **** down from your soap-box. It's "normal" for it to make you uneasy.)

It was not forced on you at all. I played through without a single romance line from Anders. No flirting, nothing. And I didn't upset him either. My friendship was maxed with him by the end.

[SennenScale]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

No, it wasn't, It was trivially easy to max out his friendship or rivarly regardless.

I didn't say max out his friendship/rivalry, I said be his friend. You could NOT have a platonic relationship with him.

Yes, you could. In fact, every time I clicked on him he'd go on about how I was a better friend that he thought he deserved.

[Reever]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm convinced it will be one character of each orientation; namely, James for MxM, a yet-to-be-announced female companion for FxF, and Liara. The rest will stay the same.

That would be the best solution!

[Russalka]

Phaelducan wrote...

I didn't say it, he did.

Did you see into his mind to know what he meant exactly?

Modifié par Russalka, 18 mai 2011 - 07:25 .

[Wittand25]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

Or you were just friends with him, without any flirting like several of my characters did. Stop spreading lies that already have been pointed out as wrong by several posters.

DA2 was a shambles anyway, so hopefully ME3 won't be the same. If they get it wrong in ME3, that's me and Bioware done. I just don't want to play a game rampant with homosexuality or indeed continue giving support to a company that will bend over backwards to accomodate a 500 strong vocal minority.

Same response as to anyone who threatens boycott for whatever reason : "The door is that way, Do not bother to write"

(For the retards, no, that doesn't make me a homophobe, it makes me a straight guy. I couldn't give a toss what you say, watching 2 gay guys or being come onto by a gay bloke makes a straight guy uncomfortable. Fact. If you say otherwise, well, you're only lying to yourself and you should get the **** down from your soap-box. It's "normal" for it to make you uneasy.)

If you say so , who am I to argue ?

[horizon011]

can no gay/pro gay person discuss this without hate ?.. i havent been.. im sorry for anyone who got offended by me just asking questions and seeking information to better understand the situation its not my intent. But alot of people share my oppinion and the only way to help people is to give them information and help them make a better informed look on homosexuality.

i sincerly appologize for anyone who truely got offended by my questions

[SennenScale]

Russalka wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...
I'm convinced it will be one character of each orientation; namely, James for MxM, a yet-to-be-announced female companion for FxF, and Liara. The rest will stay the same.

I would be happy with that. I wouldn't mind more though.

I vote turian female for the new girl.

Other votes?

[SalsaDMA]

Sphynx118 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

horizon011 wrote...
Alot of people felt that the character in dragon age 2 acted gay even when u wasnt trying to be ,,i dont want that in this game..i want it to be a true choice

You already have a choice to not participate in the same sex content.

If i throw a pie in your face you have the choice to eat it or wipe it off. Doesnt change the fact that i threw a pie in your face. 
Thats what anders and zevran was. Pies

I really felt I had to tiptoe around Zevran in DA:O. Somehow I managed to get a friendship with him without anything further, but I really felt I was treading through a minefield when I was talking with him.

Didn't help when Alistair suddenly started making inuendos too, which really fazed me out.

I decided to avoid the whole DA2 fiasco till it gets on a heavy fire-sale on steam, so thanfully haven't had to deal with anders there yet. I dislike they changed him from DA:A, though. I liked him as a friend in DA:A, and the clips I saw from DA2 it was just a totally different character it felt like to me.

[Siansonea]

[quote]Phaelducan wrote...

[quote]Siansonea II wrote...

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Well, I have my own laundry list of things I thought were dumb decisions. But I'm not spamming the Tali fan thread with reasons why boning a broad-hipped chicken in a wetsuit was a dumb idea, or spamming the Garrus fan thread with reasons why banging a giant bird cricket who may or may not even have compatible genitalia is a dumb idea, or spamming the Cerberus Is Teh Awesome threads with reasons why I think working with Cerberus goes against everything my Paragon Shepards stood for, or spamming the thermal clip and omnigel threads with reasons why...etc. We get it, you hate the idea of Gay Shepard. I hate the idea of Cerberus Whipping Boy Shepard, Talimancing Shepard, Garrusmancing Shepard, and Risen-From-The-Grave-And-No-One-Cares Shepard. But oh well. I'm not going to constantly go into those corresponding threads and swat people on the nose for liking those very things. This game's big enough for all of us to be happy with our favorite things.
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You seem intelligent, at least in that you can't possible equate  your examples with being even vaguely as controversial or polarizing as s/s romances for the lead protagonist (pretty much just gay male shepard, as femshep isn't really an issue at this point).

Besides, people didn't even have a right to complain about those things you mentioned until they at least played through the game once. Simply enabling a s/s romance for a male shepard is something Bioware knew would be controversial, and even if they were going to go ahead and do it, they should never have released the information beforehand (strictly financially speaking, this was a poor decision).

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Wait...are you saying that same-sex romance in a game is more controversial than working for a terrorist organization? Because regardless of the PR makeover that TIM, Miranda and Jacob tried to give Cerberus in the first part of ME2, the fact remains that numerous atrocities were committed by them in the first game (Admiral Kahoku? Corporal Toombs? Akuze?) and in the second game (Jack?!). And yet, some Shepard somewhere actually liking another dude romantically is more controversial? REALLY?

And the 'after the fact' argument works both ways, you know. You don't know how BioWare will implement the same sex content, so by your own reasoning, it's impossible to judge what the outcome will be. You say that it will affect sales. I suspect that relatively few people who have stuck with the Mass Effect franchise through two games will refuse to purchase the last game simply on the grounds that they have the OPTION to play as a gay male Shepard. If they do, well, I'm pretty sure BioWare isn't going to go into bankruptcy. 

Modifié par Siansonea II, 18 mai 2011 - 07:28 .

[Phaelducan]

Russalka wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

I didn't say it, he did.

Did you see into his mind to know what he meant exactly?

So a guy says the sky is blue. I need to read his mind to tell that he is referring to the sky being a particular color?

Get off the minutae.

[TheMarshal]

SennenScale wrote...

I vote turian female for the new girl.

Other votes?

::raises hand::  I'm down for a turian female.

[Centauri2002]

horizon011 wrote...

can no gay/pro gay person discuss this without hate ?.. i havent been.. im sorry for anyone who got offended by me just asking questions and seeking information to better understand the situation its not my intent. But alot of people share my oppinion and the only way to help people is to give them information and help them make a better informed look on homosexuality.

i sincerly appologize for anyone who truely got offended by my questions

Horizon, there have been a number of people here that have engaged your questions without hate, myself included. However, this is not the place for political debate. We are here to talk about the game. Let's stick to that.

[Fault Girl]

horizon011 wrote...

because theres still going to be a same sex scenario in the game somewhere < but if it was a option than the gays could get the gay stuff ? isnt that still good ? or do the gays want there lifestyle choice to be forced onto the public ? i dont get it..why cant there be both but not combined ?

I dont think sexuality is a choice at all.

[PMC65]

Something I would like to see in the wider options of a romance is more interaction with the LI.
Why can’t Shepard just hug his LI on occasion or have the LI do something completely out of the blue? Example: After discussing a mission, Ash goes to leave, stops then walks back to Shepard, plants a kiss on his cheek, smiles and then walks out. If that happened ... SCORE!
Nice little touches of affection … it’s all in the details. Hell, I’d really love it if she slapped Shep on the behind, made some really flirty remark before she left. 

More connection to the LI is requested … Please?
Even relationship geared banter in battle would be a nice touch  ... But so would friendship banter. I know that is probably too much to ask for … but it would be cool.

[Russalka]

Phaelducan wrote...

So a guy says the sky is blue. I need to read his mind to tell that he is referring to the sky being a particular color?

Get off the minutae.

Why do you think he would have made that flirting situation any different? He might have meant anything by that. For all we know, it might have been a happy, stable Anders troubled by escaping the Wardens, getting pissed off by showing interest in Hawke because he was lonely, but then apologising.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Wittand25 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

Or you were just friends with him, without any flirting like several of my characters did. Stop spreading lies that already have been pointed out as wrong by several posters.

First time you talk to him, its either a big gay HEART or a big unfriendly CROSS. No middle ground. Also if I remember right you have to turn him down TWICE, he's that persistant.

The problem was it was a bad design choice to have him inititate. It should be in the PLAYERS hands to initiate any romance really, therefore you steer the choices and you won't have to put up with having passes made at you everytime you wanna just shoot the ****.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Nyoka wrote...

@Fiery Phoenix, I don't think a gay only LIs is good. Why restrict that LI to gay people? Isn't it better to make him/her bi so more people can experience the romance?

Sorry if I wasn't clear; I meant all of those would be romantically and sexually accessible for both genders. No lesbian-only or gay-only. Basically, two bi humans of each gender, and Liara.