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Sphynx118

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Something I would like to see in the wider options of a romance is more interaction with the LI.
Why can’t Shepard just hug his LI on occasion or have the LI do something completely out of the blue? Example: After discussing a mission, Ash goes to leave, stops then walks back to Shepard, plants a kiss on his cheek, smiles and then walks out. If that happened ... SCORE!
Nice little touches of affection … it’s all in the details. Hell, I’d really love it if she slapped Shep on the behind, made some really flirty remark before she left.  Posted Image

More connection to the LI is requested … Please?
Even relationship geared banter in battle would be a nice touch  ... But so would friendship banter. I know that is probably too much to ask for … but it would be cool.

This! Even if its been asked for since ME1.

The option to invite your LI to your room  in ME2 was a great touch but it felt empty without new dialogue

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Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:

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Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

Or you were just friends with him, without any flirting like several of my characters did. Stop spreading lies that already have been pointed out as wrong by several posters.


First time you talk to him, its either a big gay HEART or a big unfriendly CROSS. No middle ground. Also if I remember right you have to turn him down TWICE, he's that persistant.

The problem was it was a bad design choice to have him inititate. It should be in the PLAYERS hands to initiate any romance really, therefore you steer the choices and you won't have to put up with having passes made at you everytime you wanna just shoot the ****.


You only turn him down once. The thing is, depending on how you traversed the dialog paths, you might have two hearts, and one broken heart.

And I agree with this. I don't have an issue with squad members making the first move, but I think it's entirely acceptable to have it solely player initiated. It solves a lot of the more common issues.

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[quote]Siansonea II wrote...

[quote]Phaelducan wrote...

[quote]Siansonea II wrote...

*snip*

Well, I have my own laundry list of things I thought were dumb decisions. But I'm not spamming the Tali fan thread with reasons why boning a broad-hipped chicken in a wetsuit was a dumb idea, or spamming the Garrus fan thread with reasons why banging a giant bird cricket who may or may not even have compatible genitalia is a dumb idea, or spamming the Cerberus Is Teh Awesome threads with reasons why I think working with Cerberus goes against everything my Paragon Shepards stood for, or spamming the thermal clip and omnigel threads with reasons why...etc. We get it, you hate the idea of Gay Shepard. I hate the idea of Cerberus Whipping Boy Shepard, Talimancing Shepard, Garrusmancing Shepard, and Risen-From-The-Grave-And-No-One-Cares Shepard. But oh well. I'm not going to constantly go into those corresponding threads and swat people on the nose for liking those very things. This game's big enough for all of us to be happy with our favorite things.
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You seem intelligent, at least in that you can't possible equate  your examples with being even vaguely as controversial or polarizing as s/s romances for the lead protagonist (pretty much just gay male shepard, as femshep isn't really an issue at this point).

Besides, people didn't even have a right to complain about those things you mentioned until they at least played through the game once. Simply enabling a s/s romance for a male shepard is something Bioware knew would be controversial, and even if they were going to go ahead and do it, they should never have released the information beforehand (strictly financially speaking, this was a poor decision).

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Wait...are you saying that same-sex romance in a game is more controversial than working for a terrorist organization? Because regardless of the PR makeover that TIM, Miranda and Jacob tried to give Cerberus in the first part of ME2, the fact remains that numerous atrocities were committed by them in the first game (Admiral Kahoku? Corporal Toombs? Akuze?) and in the second game (Jack?!). And yet, some Shepard somewhere actually liking another dude romantically is more controversial? REALLY?

And the 'after the fact' argument works both ways, you know. You don't know how BioWare will implement the same sex content, so by your own reasoning, it's impossible to judge what the outcome will be. You say that it will affect sales. I suspect that relatively few people who have stuck with the Mass Effect franchise through two games will refuse to purchase the last game simply on the grounds that they have the OPTION to play as a gay male Shepard. If they do, well, I'm pretty sure BioWare isn't going to go into bankruptcy. [/quote]

Now you are being knee-jerk and alarmist. I specifically explained that I did not think they would go into bankruptcy. As to how many it will affect? More than the 500 I feel (being generous) would have not purchased it if a gay male shep option would not have been implemented.

Whether you want to admit it or not, some Fox News chucklehead will take this and run with it, and some alarmist parent will refuse to let their kid play the game (yes I'm aware about the rating and the supposed purchase requirements, but we all know minors play rated M games). Those same alarmists will talk to their alarmist friends and will be '07 all over again, and Bioware DID take a hit on sales because of that crap.

Like it or not, this isn't a tolerant society. Not saying it's right or that I agree, but it's the way it is. A gay male shepard, even the fact of it being in the game (whether it's easily avoidable or not) will not help the game at all.

As to the Cerberus thing... really? You think a quasi-terrorist organization is more controversial than male homosexuality in this culture? Epic fail. I'd go so far as to say that NOTHING is as controversial in this society than homosexuality, save perhaps abortion (and no I'm not going there).

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

The problem was it was a bad design choice to have him inititate. It should be in the PLAYERS hands to initiate any romance really, therefore you steer the choices and you won't have to put up with having passes made at you everytime you wanna just shoot the ****.

Good news! :happy:

"Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to how you interact w/them in-game."

@SalsaDMA, did you read how the "anything could happen" thing was said about level design, not romances?

Modifié par Nyoka, 18 mai 2011 - 07:39 .


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Sphynx118 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

Something I would like to see in the wider options of a romance is more interaction with the LI.
Why can’t Shepard just hug his LI on occasion or have the LI do something completely out of the blue? Example: After discussing a mission, Ash goes to leave, stops then walks back to Shepard, plants a kiss on his cheek, smiles and then walks out. If that happened ... SCORE!
Nice little touches of affection … it’s all in the details. Hell, I’d really love it if she slapped Shep on the behind, made some really flirty remark before she left.  Posted Image

More connection to the LI is requested … Please?
Even relationship geared banter in battle would be a nice touch  ... But so would friendship banter. I know that is probably too much to ask for … but it would be cool.

This! Even if its been asked for since ME1.

The option to invite your LI to your room  in ME2 was a great touch but it felt empty without new dialogue


This is the final part of the Shepard trilogy and I really want to enjoy the LI and the ME friends ... I loved the banter, small touches of affection and specific banter that my Liara romanced Shep felt in that game. I am hoping that in the last game we are really rewarded by Bioware and we see small little prizes with our chosen LI's throughout the game. Posted Image

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:


When the cat can do calculus I will concede its sentient. *Cat person here*

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JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yet in DA2 it was FORCED upon you. Exceedingly so. There was no way you could just be friends with Anders. You either bummed him, or all bridges were burned. That was clear from the dialogue choices and results.

Or you were just friends with him, without any flirting like several of my characters did. Stop spreading lies that already have been pointed out as wrong by several posters.


First time you talk to him, its either a big gay HEART or a big unfriendly CROSS. No middle ground. Also if I remember right you have to turn him down TWICE, he's that persistant.

The problem was it was a bad design choice to have him inititate. It should be in the PLAYERS hands to initiate any romance really, therefore you steer the choices and you won't have to put up with having passes made at you everytime you wanna just shoot the ****.

That is the third time you talk to him. And the flirt/flirt/break up situation only happens if you use the blue response in every dialog before. just using a sarcastic, aggressive or the one break up option once and you will not arrive at this situation. And after that dialog he will never flirt again without Hawke flirting first.

Modifié par Wittand25, 18 mai 2011 - 07:37 .


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Nashiktal wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:


When the cat can do calculus I will concede its sentient. *Cat person here*

I dont think sentient means what you think it means dude

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I vote turian female for the new girl.

Other votes?


::raises hand::  I'm down for a turian female.


That would be the natural direction for homosexual female to go, wouldn't it?

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Nashiktal wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:


When the cat can do calculus I will concede its sentient. *Cat person here*


Cats are sentient. They aren't, however, sapient.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

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I vote turian female for the new girl.

Other votes?


::raises hand::  I'm down for a turian female.


That would be the natural direction for homosexual female to go, wouldn't it?


Nope she's still wierd in that she's interested in female lizards and that goes for anybody being attracted to turians lol.

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Xsause wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:


When the cat can do calculus I will concede its sentient. *Cat person here*


Cats are sentient. They aren't, however, sapient.


I was making a mordin joke, but you are right I mixed up the words.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I vote turian female for the new girl.

Other votes?


::raises hand::  I'm down for a turian female.


That would be the natural direction for homosexual female to go, wouldn't it?


Or not...I don't find them attractive in the slightest.

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Russalka wrote...

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So a guy says the sky is blue. I need to read his mind to tell that he is referring to the sky being a particular color?

Get off the minutae.


Why do you think he would have made that flirting situation any different? He might have meant anything by that. For all we know, it might have been a happy, stable Anders troubled by escaping the Wardens, getting pissed off by showing interest in Hawke because he was lonely, but then apologising.


The context was in relation to the "whoops I'm gay" negative feedback on Anders. That specifically prompted the lead writer to say he would have written him differently. I choose to believe that there is a correlation there, if you don't, fine.

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Nyoka wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

The problem was it was a bad design choice to have him inititate. It should be in the PLAYERS hands to initiate any romance really, therefore you steer the choices and you won't have to put up with having passes made at you everytime you wanna just shoot the ****.

Good news! :happy:

"Happy to confirm #ME3 supports wider options for love interests incl. same-sex for m&f chars, reactive to how you interact w/them in-game."

@SalsaDMA, did you read how the "anything could happen" thing was said about level design, not romances?


I already responded to you the first time you asked if I had read it... Didn't you read that?

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SalsaDMA wrote...

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I vote turian female for the new girl.

Other votes?


::raises hand::  I'm down for a turian female.


That would be the natural direction for homosexual female to go, wouldn't it?


Not at one all. To be honest, I think that Miranda/Ashley/Jack are the most wanted for a lesbian romance. I can't see why a turian female would fit for the homosexual ladies. Maybe to you they are pathetically attractive, but not to me.

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Because the 12 year olds on the site want more alien sex luna?

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PMC65 wrote...

Something I would like to see in the wider options of a romance is more interaction with the LI.
Why can’t Shepard just hug his LI on occasion or have the LI do something completely out of the blue? Example: After discussing a mission, Ash goes to leave, stops then walks back to Shepard, plants a kiss on his cheek, smiles and then walks out. If that happened ... SCORE!
Nice little touches of affection … it’s all in the details. Hell, I’d really love it if she slapped Shep on the behind, made some really flirty remark before she left.  Posted Image

More connection to the LI is requested … Please?
Even relationship geared banter in battle would be a nice touch  ... But so would friendship banter. I know that is probably too much to ask for … but it would be cool.


OH HELLS YEAH!

Damn, I like the idea so much I actually resorted to caps.  It's the perfect thing to breathe more life into the game.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

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::raises hand::  I'm down for a turian female.


That would be the natural direction for homosexual female to go, wouldn't it?


Well...  I'm a straight male, unless that's not how you meant it.  I do, however, happen to have a strong predilection towards women who look like they could kill me.  >.>

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haha I didn't like the exact wording but then again I just ripped this off of google images so I can't really complain!

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Because the 12 year olds on the site want more alien sex luna?


There can always be hetero alien sex! I am sure the hetero folks wouldn't mind to have a female turian as a LI, would they? :happy:

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Nashiktal wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:


When the cat can do calculus I will concede its sentient. *Cat person here*


from http://dictionary.re...rowse/sentient:

sen·tient  Posted Image [sen-shuhPosted Imagent] Posted Image –adjective 1.having the power of perception by the senses; conscious.2.characterized by sensation and consciousness.


–noun 3.a person or thing that is sentient.4.Archaic. the conscious mind.



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brain_damage wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Animals are not sentient


I strongly resent this comment. It's classifications like that which makes jerks go "But it's only a cat ffs!" when I go nuts on idiots that leave kittens in a closed bag by the garbage cans or the like :bandit:


When the cat can do calculus I will concede its sentient. *Cat person here*


So how did a discussion of gay romances turn into a discussion about whether animals are sentient?


LOL, the answer to this is very obscure and off-topic.

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brain_damage wrote...

So how did a discussion of gay romances turn into a discussion about whether animals are sentient?


Someone compared beastiality to homosexuality. Again.

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