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[CulturalGeekGirl]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

I understand completely where you're coming from
with the walking on eggshells with dialog in ME2.  I got to the point
where I just didn't talk to anyone unless I was specifically romancing
or had to for the loyalty mission.  With that said, it's more of a show
of how flawed the phrasing on the dialog wheel is.  Choices that read
like you're just wanting to get to know that person better as a person
somehow gets translated into wanting nookie.

A more clearly phrased dialog wheel would fix that right up.

Indeed. Or Friendly options always top left, romance options always bottom left.There are a bunch of ways to do it.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 mai 2011 - 08:00 .

[jlb524]

SennenScale wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

James2912 wrote...
Yes once again eww all aliens except of Asari make my balls crawl up to my stomach thank you very much! :pinched:But if people want it go ahead who am I to deny people choice?

See, there's plenty of "unnatural" romance between humans and aliens, but the thought of two humans of the same gender having a loving relationship is abhorrent (to some people, not meaning you). *shakes head despondently*

I don't understand it either. I love the alien LIs but it boggles the mind that they're somehow considered less odd than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.

Heteronormativity transcends the species barrier.

[Centauri2002]

hex23 wrote...

I think this is a terrible idea.

I'm a heterosexual male and I wasn't even into all the flirting in "ME2". I felt like I had to walk on egg shells with my responses because if you were too friendly or interested a female character might think you were trying to bone them. That stuff is fine but I don't play the game for that, and I don't think video games in general are "there" yet, as far as pulling off this kind of stuff smoothly.

So if I'm randomly getting hit on by dudes in "ME3" because I was just trying to be polite or friendly....ugh. No.

I don't understand why they had to add this to "Mass Effect" anyway. For 2 games none of the characters were gay, and only 1 (Jack) was bi. Asari don't really count considering they aren't even the same species.

It comes off as a ham-fisted attempt at being PC, or trying to cater to everyone. I'm sorry but it's bullsh*t. This would be like "The Wire" making Omar bi or straight after people asked "why is he gay?". Shep obviously ain't gay or bi based on his actions in the last 2 games.

All of your points have been addressed numerous amounts of times but I'll briefly go over them for your benefit. It is generally accepted that ninjamancing is a bad thing and that we do not want it in ME3. Therefore, you'll have no surprises from potential love interests. 

Asari do count. From Shepard's perspective, she'd have to be attracted to females in order to find Liara attractive. Then there's the flirting with Kelly. Unless you're saying straight women like to flirt with other women and watch exotic dances.
Your Shepard isn't gay. Your actions don't define other Shepard's actions though. 

[M-Sinistrari]

PMC65 wrote...
Right? It would remind my Shepard why he is fighting ... oh, and my femshep too.

I always thought that Liara wanted to shove my Shepard around playfully ... Maybe because, femshep started it. She use to push on Liara during ME1 fights just to hear her say "Not now!" I've always loved those fight scenes where humor is thrown in ... 

Loved the dialogue on the Shadow Brokers ship when Liara placed that "thingy thing" to get the door open! 

I swear, with how much you're in my head with things, I should ask you where I left the TV remote.  Set it down somewhere and not sure where.

But to topic, little things like that I do feel makes for a better connection with our Shepards.

[SennenScale]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

I understand completely where you're coming from with the walking on eggshells with dialog in ME2.  I got to the point where I just didn't talk to anyone unless I was specifically romancing or had to for the loyalty mission.  With that said, it's more of a show of how flawed the phrasing on the dialog wheel is.  Choices that read like you're just wanting to get to know that person better as a person somehow gets translated into wanting nookie.

A more clearly phrased dialog wheel would fix that right up.

This.

We need to fix the real problem. The dialogue.

The short phrases should be clearer, as should the start of the romances. As much as I like to have a romance be subtle, this is a real issue.

It's not the S/S LIs idea that's the cause of this. It's the dialogue wheel and the way the romance triggers are handled.

[Centauri2002]

Erani wrote...

With this in mind, I wonder what would be more "unnatural" ...a s/s alien or a s/s human LI?

I'm going to take a guess and say human s/s LIs. A large number of excuses can be made for FemShep/Liara, for example but two humans of the same gender can be passed off as nothing but a same sex relationship. Sad, isn't it?

[SalsaDMA]

Wittand25 wrote...

For the last time : Real world topics are not supposed to be discussed here. This forum is for game-related discussions and since there are no children in the ME universe paedophilia is even off topic in several ways.

Actually, by her own words, Liara falls under the term of being a child...

Just saying...

[FLYING GRENADE11]

centauri2002 wrote...

hex23 wrote...

I think this is a terrible idea.

I'm a heterosexual male and I wasn't even into all the flirting in "ME2". I felt like I had to walk on egg shells with my responses because if you were too friendly or interested a female character might think you were trying to bone them. That stuff is fine but I don't play the game for that, and I don't think video games in general are "there" yet, as far as pulling off this kind of stuff smoothly.

So if I'm randomly getting hit on by dudes in "ME3" because I was just trying to be polite or friendly....ugh. No.

I don't understand why they had to add this to "Mass Effect" anyway. For 2 games none of the characters were gay, and only 1 (Jack) was bi. Asari don't really count considering they aren't even the same species.

It comes off as a ham-fisted attempt at being PC, or trying to cater to everyone. I'm sorry but it's bullsh*t. This would be like "The Wire" making Omar bi or straight after people asked "why is he gay?". Shep obviously ain't gay or bi based on his actions in the last 2 games.

All of your points have been addressed numerous amounts of times but I'll briefly go over them for your benefit. It is generally accepted that ninjamancing is a bad thing and that we do not want it in ME3. Therefore, you'll have no surprises from potential love interests. 

Asari do count. From Shepard's perspective, she'd have to be attracted to females in order to find Liara attractive. Then there's the flirting with Kelly. Unless you're saying straight women like to flirt with other women and watch exotic dances.
Your Shepard isn't gay. Your actions don't define other Shepard's actions though. 

HERECY!!!
But what if shephard was bicurious!

[Ryzaki]

SennenScale wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

I understand completely where you're coming from with the walking on eggshells with dialog in ME2.  I got to the point where I just didn't talk to anyone unless I was specifically romancing or had to for the loyalty mission.  With that said, it's more of a show of how flawed the phrasing on the dialog wheel is.  Choices that read like you're just wanting to get to know that person better as a person somehow gets translated into wanting nookie.

A more clearly phrased dialog wheel would fix that right up.

This.

We need to fix the real problem. The dialogue.

The short phrases should be clearer, as should the start of the romances. As much as I like to have a romance be subtle, this is a real issue.

It's not the S/S LIs idea that's the cause of this. It's the dialogue wheel and the way the romance triggers are handled.

Agreed. It as nothing to do with gay or straight but with how much BW fails at paraphrasing

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2011 - 08:02 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

SennenScale wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

I understand completely where you're coming from with the walking on eggshells with dialog in ME2.  I got to the point where I just didn't talk to anyone unless I was specifically romancing or had to for the loyalty mission.  With that said, it's more of a show of how flawed the phrasing on the dialog wheel is.  Choices that read like you're just wanting to get to know that person better as a person somehow gets translated into wanting nookie.

A more clearly phrased dialog wheel would fix that right up.

This.

We need to fix the real problem. The dialogue.

The short phrases should be clearer, as should the start of the romances. As much as I like to have a romance be subtle, this is a real issue.

It's not the S/S LIs idea that's the cause of this. It's the dialogue wheel and the way the romance triggers are handled.

I'm gonna maintain that the icons in DA2 were badass.

It's all you need.

[SennenScale]

centauri2002 wrote...

Erani wrote...

With this in mind, I wonder what would be more "unnatural" ...a s/s alien or a s/s human LI?

I'm going to take a guess and say human s/s LIs. A large number of excuses can be made for FemShep/Liara, for example but two humans of the same gender can be passed off as nothing but a same sex relationship. Sad, isn't it?

One might be able to quibble over Liara...but how do they get around the part where Femshep is attracted to the feminine form?

[Centauri2002]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...
HERECY!!!
But what if shephard was bicurious!

Acting upon (and enjoying) said curiosity would push her beyond the bounds of that label and into bisexuality. 

[FLYING GRENADE11]

centauri2002 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...
HERECY!!!
But what if shephard was bicurious!

Acting upon (and enjoying) said curiosity would push her beyond the bounds of that label and into bisexuality. 

What if she no longer wants 2 be Bi
or what if she didnt enjoy it!!!!

Modifié par FLYING GRENADE11, 18 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[Centauri2002]

SennenScale wrote...

One might be able to quibble over Liara...but how do they get around the part where Femshep is attracted to the feminine form?

I haven't heard a convincing argument for that yet. Usually the person arguing it skips to Liara's point of view and ignores Shepard's altogether. Since Liara doesn't look at things from the perspective of sexuality, then it invalidates the human view on it apparently.

[Erani]

centauri2002 wrote...

Erani wrote...

With this in mind, I wonder what would be more "unnatural" ...a s/s alien or a s/s human LI?

I'm going to take a guess and say human s/s LIs. A large number of excuses can be made for FemShep/Liara, for example but two humans of the same gender can be passed off as nothing but a same sex relationship. Sad, isn't it?

Sad, indeed....because honestly taking into consideration Mordin's medical advice in ME2, a romantic/sexual relationship between MShep and let's say..Garrus...could be way more errr problematic than with J.Vega or Kaidan.

[jlb524]

Luna Siwora wrote...

I am sure that there'll be a "F*CK OFF!" option if some of the homosexual/bisexual/pansexual LIs flirt with Shepard. There will always be "RAINBOW" and "YOU'RE SCARING ME" options.

The text for the 'yes to s/s' needs to be rainbow colored...that would rock.

[Centauri2002]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

What if she no longer wants 2 be bicurious!!!!

Then she doesn't have to be. It depends on how you play your Shepard. But, since my Shepard renewed her romance with Liara, I'm going to go ahead and say she's definitely wanting to embrace her lesbian nature. 

[Erani]

centauri2002 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

What if she no longer wants 2 be bicurious!!!!

Then she doesn't have to be. It depends on how you play your Shepard. But, since my Shepard renewed her romance with Liara, I'm going to go ahead and say she's definitely wanting to embrace her lesbian nature. 

Hey, not sure if this is off-topic, but Liara does have sex organs similar to human female's right?

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

Luna Siwora wrote...

I am sure that there'll be a "F*CK OFF!" option if some of the homosexual/bisexual/pansexual LIs flirt with Shepard. There will always be "RAINBOW" and "YOU'RE SCARING ME" options.

The text for the 'yes to s/s' needs to be rainbow colored...that would rock.

Rainbow colored text would be funny.

[hex23]

Ryzaki wrote...



People really need to stop thinking their Shepard is the only Shepard.

My Shepard flirted with no one. He is gay. Yours isn't. YAY! 

Bioware's Shepard isn't gay. You know, the canon one. So yeah....this makes no sense. 

[Wittand25]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

For the last time : Real world topics are not supposed to be discussed here. This forum is for game-related discussions and since there are no children in the ME universe paedophilia is even off topic in several ways.

Actually, by her own words, Liara falls under the term of being a child...

Just saying...

She is the equivalent of a girl in her late teens. So it would be ephebophilia and since she is past age of consent a relationship is even perfectly legal.

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

One might be able to quibble over Liara...but how do they get around the part where Femshep is attracted to the feminine form?

I haven't heard a convincing argument for that yet. Usually the person arguing it skips to Liara's point of view and ignores Shepard's altogether. Since Liara doesn't look at things from the perspective of sexuality, then it invalidates the human view on it apparently.

The asari can seduce salarians, who else can do that? I think they have some kind of "magic" that Aria hints at. Curious to see if that is touched on in ME3. But yes, if you are a real straight woman playing ME and you romance Liara you are at least curious? But I have a feeling there are more men playing femshep with Liara so that really doesn't count.  

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryzaki wrote...

hex23 wrote...

I think this is a terrible idea.

I'm a heterosexual male and I wasn't even into all the flirting in "ME2". I felt like I had to walk on egg shells with my responses because if you were too friendly or interested a female character might think you were trying to bone them. That stuff is fine but I don't play the game for that, and I don't think video games in general are "there" yet, as far as pulling off this kind of stuff smoothly.

So if I'm randomly getting hit on by dudes in "ME3" because I was just trying to be polite or friendly....ugh. No.

I don't understand why they had to add this to "Mass Effect" anyway. For 2 games none of the characters were gay, and only 1 (Jack) was bi. Asari don't really count considering they aren't even the same species.

It comes off as a ham-fisted attempt at being PC, or trying to cater to everyone. I'm sorry but it's bullsh*t. This would be like "The Wire" making Omar bi or straight after people asked "why is he gay?". Shep obviously ain't gay or bi based on his actions in the last 2 games.

People really need to stop thinking their Shepard is the only Shepard.

My Shepard flirted with no one. He is gay. Yours isn't. YAY! 

Mine most certainly isn't gay. Also, Omar Little = single coolest character in practically any TV Show. Tru dat. Except Jack Bauer.