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[Ryzaki]

hex23 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...



People really need to stop thinking their Shepard is the only Shepard.

My Shepard flirted with no one. He is gay. Yours isn't. YAY! 

Bioware's Shepard isn't gay. You know, the canon one. So yeah....this makes no sense. 

There is no canon sweet thing.

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

The asari can seduce salarians, who else can do that? I think they have some kind of "magic" that Aria hints at. Curious to see if that is touched on in ME3. But yes, if you are a real straight woman playing ME and you romance Liara you are at least curious? But I have a feeling there are more men playing femshep with Liara so that really doesn't count.  

I don't think any kind of mind control is involved. Even if something like pheromones are involved and FemShep finds herself intrigued by Liara, to act on that is another matter. And I don't think the sex and orientation of the player is very relevant. It's role playing, after all, and some people just like playing from a different perspective. There's nothing wrong with a straight woman wanting to play FemShep as a lesbian. 

[SennenScale]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

People really need to stop thinking their Shepard is the only Shepard.
My Shepard flirted with no one. He is gay. Yours isn't. YAY! 

Mine most certainly isn't gay. Also, Omar Little = single coolest character in practically any TV Show. Tru dat. Except Jack Bauer.

Right. Just like Ryzaki said. Yours isn't. And our Shepards are. Our Shepards are not the same, so does it matter for your Shepard if our Sheps are gay?

[SalsaDMA]

Wittand25 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

For the last time : Real world topics are not supposed to be discussed here. This forum is for game-related discussions and since there are no children in the ME universe paedophilia is even off topic in several ways.

Actually, by her own words, Liara falls under the term of being a child...

Just saying...

She is the equivalent of a girl in her late teens. So it would be ephebophilia and since she is past age of consent a relationship is even perfectly legal.

she's a 106 years old when Shepard meets her. For a race that can become a thousand years old, I wouldn't call that 'late teen'... Especially when you consider that the matron stage, what we call the adult for humans, doesn't normally start untill around 350 years of age...

[hex23]

SennenScale wrote...

I don't understand it either. I love the alien LIs but it boggles the mind that they're somehow considered less odd than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.

That has nothing to do with "less odd". Aliens as LIs have been in the game since day 1. Shep being gay hasn't.

And no I don't consider a female Shep having sex with an Asari as lesian, or gay, regardless of how the Asari look. They aren't human, and despite the fan art you can Google we have no idea how their genitals look.

[Erani]

SennenScale wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

People really need to stop thinking their Shepard is the only Shepard.
My Shepard flirted with no one. He is gay. Yours isn't. YAY! 

Mine most certainly isn't gay. Also, Omar Little = single coolest character in practically any TV Show. Tru dat. Except Jack Bauer.

Right. Just like Ryzaki said. Yours isn't. And our Shepards are. Our Shepards are not the same, so does it matter for your Shepard if our Sheps are gay?

This. My only male Shepard hasn't romanced anyone. He's totally gay.

[Ryzaki]

hex23: Asari =/= Turians and Quarians.

All aliens aren't the same.

Otherwise a hanar romance would be perfectly in character for Shepard, aswoud a Batairan, Krogan and what not.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 18 mai 2011 - 08:19 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I don't understand it either. I love the alien LIs but it boggles the mind that they're somehow considered less odd than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.

That has nothing to do with "less odd". Aliens as LIs have been in the game since day 1. Shep being gay hasn't.

And no I don't consider a female Shep having sex with an Asari as lesian, or gay, regardless of how the Asari look. They aren't human, and despite the fan art you can Google we have no idea how their genitals look.

Ok. How about Kelly?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

For the last time : Real world topics are not supposed to be discussed here. This forum is for game-related discussions and since there are no children in the ME universe paedophilia is even off topic in several ways.

Actually, by her own words, Liara falls under the term of being a child...

Just saying...

She is the equivalent of a girl in her late teens. So it would be ephebophilia and since she is past age of consent a relationship is even perfectly legal.

she's a 106 years old when Shepard meets her. For a race that can become a thousand years old, I wouldn't call that 'late teen'... Especially when you consider that the matron stage, what we call the adult for humans, doesn't normally start untill around 350 years of age...

They've indicated that Asari leave their parents' house and move out on their own at about 60. So 106 is more like immediately-post-college age, I reckon.

[hex23]

Ryzaki wrote...
There is no canon sweet thing.

Let's be real here, shall we?

If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

Modifié par hex23, 18 mai 2011 - 08:21 .

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

The asari can seduce salarians, who else can do that? I think they have some kind of "magic" that Aria hints at. Curious to see if that is touched on in ME3. But yes, if you are a real straight woman playing ME and you romance Liara you are at least curious? But I have a feeling there are more men playing femshep with Liara so that really doesn't count.  

I don't think any kind of mind control is involved. Even if something like pheromones are involved and FemShep finds herself intrigued by Liara, to act on that is another matter. And I don't think the sex and orientation of the player is very relevant. It's role playing, after all, and some people just like playing from a different perspective. There's nothing wrong with a straight woman wanting to play FemShep as a lesbian. 

I wasn't implying mind control ... But the asari's do have a unique ability to attract all species. So if a femshep is attracted to her you could put that part of their species "gift" in to the play you could. The argument, for me, would be stronger if a femshep romanced Ash ... No way of working around that one.  

[SennenScale]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I don't understand it either. I love the alien LIs but it boggles the mind that they're somehow considered less odd than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.

That has nothing to do with "less odd". Aliens as LIs have been in the game since day 1. Shep being gay hasn't.

And no I don't consider a female Shep having sex with an Asari as lesian, or gay, regardless of how the Asari look. They aren't human, and despite the fan art you can Google we have no idea how their genitals look.

They are human enough to demonstrate that a female Shepard is attracted to the female form.

And there is Kelly, even if FemShep/Liara isn't clear enough for you.

[Centauri2002]

hex23 wrote...

That has nothing to do with "less odd". Aliens as LIs have been in the game since day 1. Shep being gay hasn't.

And no I don't consider a female Shep having sex with an Asari as lesian, or gay, regardless of how the Asari look. They aren't human, and despite the fan art you can Google we have no idea how their genitals look.

From an outside perspective, perhaps not. But from Shepard's perspective, she has to be attracted to females to even consider a relationship with her. Also, it's a same sex relationship no matter how you look at it. Shepard is female and Liara is female. Asari are an all-female species, after all.

And then there's Kelly.

[Erani]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

I don't understand it either. I love the alien LIs but it boggles the mind that they're somehow considered less odd than being gay, lesbian or bisexual.

That has nothing to do with "less odd". Aliens as LIs have been in the game since day 1. Shep being gay hasn't.

And no I don't consider a female Shep having sex with an Asari as lesian, or gay, regardless of how the Asari look. They aren't human, and despite the fan art you can Google we have no idea how their genitals look.

So if male Shepard romances Garrus..he wouldn't be gay because Garrus isn't human???

Also, Asari....they have breasts, which means they must have some use in the reproductive process...and there must be somewhere for the little asari to come out of....It's pretty confusing actually, but they "look" female. That is they resemble a human female in form, more than any other alien, so FemShep would need to be attracted to how a female looks in the first place to be attracted to Liara.

[Nashiktal]

Erani wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

What if she no longer wants 2 be bicurious!!!!

Then she doesn't have to be. It depends on how you play your Shepard. But, since my Shepard renewed her romance with Liara, I'm going to go ahead and say she's definitely wanting to embrace her lesbian nature. 

Hey, not sure if this is off-topic, but Liara does have sex organs similar to human female's right?

Yes and no. Asari are obviously all but human at least in relevence to the *lesbian* aspect of things. However if their biology works as it says it works, then they would likely feel no pleasure from physical penetration. Why would they? They evolved to have no need for it.

[thedaigakuinsei]

If you don't want a bromance, don't get one. It's pretty simple.

[Servo to the bitter end]

thedaigakuinsei wrote...

If you don't want a bromance, don't get one. It's pretty simple.

+10

This thread just went from 125 pages to 124 pages. It's fun to see moderation in action!

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mai 2011 - 08:24 .

[SennenScale]

hex23 wrote...
If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

And why can't our personal Shepards have a different orientation than Mr. John Shepard? What is so wrong with having that option for our personal Shepards?

[Centauri2002]

PMC65 wrote...

I wasn't implying mind control ... But the asari's do have a unique ability to attract all species. So if a femshep is attracted to her you could put that part of their species "gift" in to the play you could. The argument, for me, would be stronger if a femshep romanced Ash ... No way of working around that one.  

I can see the argument, yep, but I think I can easily argue against it too. Of course, Shepard romancing Ashley would be irrefutable but that wasn't present in ME1 so I have to work with what we were given. 

[James2912]

 Ryzaki's shepard is definitely gay:

[Polliot]

"Wider options for romance"? No,we already have too many options,BioWare should focus on making old romances deeper and more meaningful.

[Erani]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I wasn't implying mind control ... But the asari's do have a unique ability to attract all species. So if a femshep is attracted to her you could put that part of their species "gift" in to the play you could. The argument, for me, would be stronger if a femshep romanced Ash ... No way of working around that one.  

I can see the argument, yep, but I think I can easily argue against it too. Of course, Shepard romancing Ashley would be irrefutable but that wasn't present in ME1 so I have to work with what we were given. 

I agree. Also, Kelly's "romance" is pretty indicative as well.

[Siansonea]

And we're back around to "asari aren't female, so FemShep ain't gay". Okay, so if asari aren't female, then is MaleShep gay because he's doing it with a creature that isn't female?

And we're back around to "canon" Shepard. If BioWare themselves can't dismiss that claim with repeated "there is no canon Shepard" statements, I suggest the rest of us just ignore this type of thing from now on.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 18 mai 2011 - 08:27 .

[Servo to the bitter end]

hex23 wrote...
If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

You can dig up plenty of Developer confirmations that there is no "canon" Shepard. There's box cover "John Shepard" the default. Not the same as canon. You had to have a "default" for players who didn't import a save from the first game.

But yeah, there's no canon. And Shepard has been gay/bi/straight/all of the above since the first game.

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mai 2011 - 08:28 .

[hex23]

SennenScale wrote...

They are human enough to demonstrate that a female Shepard is attracted to the female form.

And there is Kelly, even if FemShep/Liara isn't clear enough for you.

By that logic Turians are male enough that female Sheps found them attractive, despite the fact that they don't look human, at all.

Kelly was a hoe. Let's be real here. It was jokingly inferred that she had sex with an animal. So let's not act like she's a gold standard for sexual preference, or some shining example of how open minded Bioware was prior to "ME3".