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[Centauri2002]

hex23 wrote...

Let's be real here, shall we?

If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

I think you're confusing canon with iconic. If there was a canon Shepard, we'd only be able to play as him. It's an RPG, we're supposed to be able to play as a customisable Shepard in the way we want. There is no iconic Shepard play through either. And I think it unfair that someone would try and claim there's only one way to play Shepard in an RPG based entirely around choice. What's the point in making those choices available if you're merely going to invalidate any play through that doesn't fit into your image?

FemShep players talk of underrepresentation because of the decision to have an iconic MaleShep on the cover art and in the trailers. It's about marketting, not story.

[James2912]

I don't think Asari have mind control I think all women posses the mind control ability!

[Ryzaki]

hex23 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
There is no canon sweet thing.

Let's be real here, shall we?

If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

Right. There's no need to waste anymore of my time then.

You're gonna ignore the fact tha BW themselves said there is no canon Shepard merely a default. THere is no arguing with that.

[Erani]

Siansonea II wrote...

And we're back around to "asari aren't female, so FemShep ain't gay". Okay, so if asari aren't female, then is MaleShep gay because he's doing it with a creature that isn't female? 

LOL, omg MShep is doing it with an "unknown" sex...that's gotta be worse than gay.:lol:

[CulturalGeekGirl]

hex23 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
There is no canon sweet thing.

Let's be real here, shall we?

If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

So the only real Shepard is a Renegade Earthborn Sole Surivivor Soldier who romances Liara, kills the council, kills Wrex, kills the Rachni Queen, and kills Shiala? Because that's the "default" Shepard. That's the save you get with ME2, and that's what the media implies.

Only a small, tiny minority of people play that Shepard. I'd bet you're not one of them.

Please. Bioware has stated openly, many times, that there is no such thing as a cannon Shepard.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 mai 2011 - 08:28 .

[PMC65]

centauri2002 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

I wasn't implying mind control ... But the asari's do have a unique ability to attract all species. So if a femshep is attracted to her you could put that part of their species "gift" in to the play you could. The argument, for me, would be stronger if a femshep romanced Ash ... No way of working around that one.  

I can see the argument, yep, but I think I can easily argue against it too. Of course, Shepard romancing Ashley would be irrefutable but that wasn't present in ME1 so I have to work with what we were given. 

There is Kelly ... femshep would have to at least be bi on that one ... or REALLY love her fish.

[.shea.]

hex23 wrote...
and despite the fan art you can Google we have no idea how their genitals look.

Actually, we do:

"while asari have only one gender, they are not asexual like single-celled life—all asari are sexually female"-Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183

[SennenScale]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

They are human enough to demonstrate that a female Shepard is attracted to the female form.

And there is Kelly, even if FemShep/Liara isn't clear enough for you.

By that logic Turians are male enough that female Sheps found them attractive, despite the fact that they don't look human, at all.

Kelly was a hoe. Let's be real here. It was jokingly inferred that she had sex with an animal. So let's not act like she's a gold standard for sexual preference, or some shining example of how open minded Bioware was prior to "ME3".

Asari are far more humanlike than turians.

Kelly is still a lesbian option for Shepard. What Kelly does, doesn't make a femshep that sleeps with her less of a lesbian or bisexual.

[Servo to the bitter end]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

They are human enough to demonstrate that a female Shepard is attracted to the female form.

And there is Kelly, even if FemShep/Liara isn't clear enough for you.

By that logic Turians are male enough that female Sheps found them attractive, despite the fact that they don't look human, at all.

Kelly was a hoe. Let's be real here. It was jokingly inferred that she had sex with an animal. So let's not act like she's a gold standard for sexual preference, or some shining example of how open minded Bioware was prior to "ME3".

We're not talking strictly talking about Kelly. We're talking about Shepard in relation to Kelly.

If she's going to pursue her, then she'd identify as either lesbian or bisexual.

[Ryzaki]

James2912 wrote...

 Ryzaki's shepard is definitely gay:

Pfft. My Shepard wouldn't be caught dead in that.


Colossus armor all the way baby.

[SalsaDMA]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

For the last time : Real world topics are not supposed to be discussed here. This forum is for game-related discussions and since there are no children in the ME universe paedophilia is even off topic in several ways.

Actually, by her own words, Liara falls under the term of being a child...

Just saying...

She is the equivalent of a girl in her late teens. So it would be ephebophilia and since she is past age of consent a relationship is even perfectly legal.

she's a 106 years old when Shepard meets her. For a race that can become a thousand years old, I wouldn't call that 'late teen'... Especially when you consider that the matron stage, what we call the adult for humans, doesn't normally start untill around 350 years of age...

They've indicated that Asari leave their parents' house and move out on their own at about 60. So 106 is more like immediately-post-college age, I reckon.

where is this? I couldn't find it while skimming through the wiki.

Only other relevant thing I could find was that she had spent 50 years studying arcaeolegy yet still wasn't credited for being worthy enough to give proper speculations on her theories....

[Ryzaki]

SalsaDMA wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

For the last time : Real world topics are not supposed to be discussed here. This forum is for game-related discussions and since there are no children in the ME universe paedophilia is even off topic in several ways.

Actually, by her own words, Liara falls under the term of being a child...

Just saying...

She is the equivalent of a girl in her late teens. So it would be ephebophilia and since she is past age of consent a relationship is even perfectly legal.

she's a 106 years old when Shepard meets her. For a race that can become a thousand years old, I wouldn't call that 'late teen'... Especially when you consider that the matron stage, what we call the adult for humans, doesn't normally start untill around 350 years of age...

They've indicated that Asari leave their parents' house and move out on their own at about 60. So 106 is more like immediately-post-college age, I reckon.

where is this? I couldn't find it while skimming through the wiki.

Only other relevant thing I could find was that she had spent 50 years studying arcaeolegy yet still wasn't credited for being worthy enough to give proper speculations on her theories....

It comes up in a conversation with Samara about her daughters.

[hex23]

SennenScale wrote..

And why can't our personal Shepards have a different orientation than Mr. John Shepard? What is so wrong with having that option for our personal Shepards?

Because not even your character had that option until the 3rd game. I'm sorry but you can't retroactively change a character's sexual preference to please people. It's retarded.

Shep wasn't gay or bi prior to "ME3". Now he/she magically is. Again, this is about consistency moreso than being "anti-gay", as pointed out by my "Wire" reference.

[Polliot]

Siansonea II wrote...
And we're back around to "asari aren't female, so FemShep ain't gay". Okay, so if asari aren't female, then is MaleShep gay because he's doing it with a creature that isn't female?

Even BioWare is not sure about that one,so how can we be.We should invent new sexual orientation - asarisexuality.

And we're back around to "canon" Shepard. If BioWare themselves can't dismiss that claim with repeated "there is no canon Shepard" statements, I suggest the rest of us just ignore this type of thing from now on.

I agree,there is no canon Shepard.

Modifié par Polliot, 18 mai 2011 - 08:33 .

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[SennenScale]

Erani wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

And we're back around to "asari aren't female, so FemShep ain't gay". Okay, so if asari aren't female, then is MaleShep gay because he's doing it with a creature that isn't female? 

LOL, omg MShep is doing it with an "unknown" sex...that's gotta be worse than gay.:lol:

Ya know what? I'm going to run with it.


Manshep is canonically non hetereo if Liara is not a female.

[Servo to the bitter end]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote..

And why can't our personal Shepards have a different orientation than Mr. John Shepard? What is so wrong with having that option for our personal Shepards?

Because not even your character had that option until the 3rd game. I'm sorry but you can't retroactively change a character's sexual preference to please people. It's retarded.

Shep wasn't gay or bi prior to "ME3". Now he/she magically is. Again, this is about consistency moreso than being "anti-gay", as pointed out by my "Wire" reference.

"She" was though.

Male and Female Shep are the same character. Again, this is expanding the parameters to make the character more consistent.

[CroGamer002]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
There is no canon sweet thing.

Let's be real here, shall we?

If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

So the only real Shepard is a Renegade Earthborn Sole Surivivor Soldier who romances Liara, kills the council, kills Wrex, kills the Rachni Queen, and kills Shiala? Because that's the "default" Shepard. That's the save you get with ME2, and that's what the media implies.

Only a small, tiny minority of people play that Shepard. I'd bet you're not one of them.

Please. Bioware has stated openly, many times, that there is no such thing as a cannon Shepard.

Wait, default Shepard doesn't romance Liara.

[SennenScale]

hex23 wrote...

SennenScale wrote..

And why can't our personal Shepards have a different orientation than Mr. John Shepard? What is so wrong with having that option for our personal Shepards?

Because not even your character had that option until the 3rd game. I'm sorry but you can't retroactively change a character's sexual preference to please people. It's retarded.

Shep wasn't gay or bi prior to "ME3". Now he/she magically is. Again, this is about consistency moreso than being "anti-gay", as pointed out by my "Wire" reference.

It's not a retroactive change for characters who did not romance anyone. It is not a retroactive change for Femsheps who romance Liara and/or Kelly.

[Phaelducan]

Now that we've got a Bill and Ted quote in... it's all good.

[Sylvianus]

Wow. 125 pages in 3 days. I think it's a Reccord. Oo

[Siansonea]

Polliot wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
And we're back around to "asari aren't female, so FemShep ain't gay". Okay, so if asari aren't female, then is MaleShep gay because he's doing it with a creature that isn't female?

Even BioWare is not sure about that one,so how can we be.We should invent new sexual orientation - asarisexuality.

Well, "asarisexual" still means one thing—NOT heterosexual. So the old saw that "Shepard is straight" would have to be put to rest. You can't be a straight male if you're sleeping with somebody who isn't female. 

[Ryzaki]

Mesina2 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
There is no canon sweet thing.

Let's be real here, shall we?

If there was no canon Shep then all those fem Sheps fans wouldn't be complaining that they are under-represented. There is JOHN SHEPARD, which is the main character in the "ME" series, then there is "your" version of the character. The canon version that Bioware made isn't bi or gay. Neither was "your" version, until the 3rd game, despite your sexual preferences in real life. Like I said, it's a ham-fisted attempt at being PC.

So the only real Shepard is a Renegade Earthborn Sole Surivivor Soldier who romances Liara, kills the council, kills Wrex, kills the Rachni Queen, and kills Shiala? Because that's the "default" Shepard. That's the save you get with ME2, and that's what the media implies.

Only a small, tiny minority of people play that Shepard. I'd bet you're not one of them.

Please. Bioware has stated openly, many times, that there is no such thing as a cannon Shepard.

Wait, default Shepard doesn't romance Liara.

Yeah default Shepard doesn't romance anyone.

[hex23]

Chouan wrote...

Actually, we do:

"while asari have only one gender, they are not asexual like single-celled life—all asari are sexually female"-Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183

Sexually female doesn't mean they have a recognizably human vagina. Why? Because they aren't human. Liara herself says Asari "aren't precisely female".

And for the record Mordin says Asari possibly use neuro-chemicals to appear attractive to all kinds of people and races to insure their genepool stays diversified. So that's why fem Shep finds Asari attractive. Not lesbianism.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Wait, default Shepard doesn't romance Liara.

Yeah default Shepard doesn't romance anyone.

But the guy is saying that what appears in the marketing materials is what is "canon" and in the marketing materials Liara is often shown as being hot and heavy for him, and LotSB kind of implies it too, no matter which way you actually went. I was trying to take that line of reasoning to its utterly irrational conclusion, sorry for the confusion.

So the default Shepard is asexual? Good to know. (edit: this is also jokes.)

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 mai 2011 - 08:42 .