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[Bogsnot1]

Wider options for romance? NO FAT CHICKS!!!
What? Thats not what the topic is about? Ok, I'll leave now.

[Ghost Warrior]

FDrage wrote...

So you say it would be insulting if they don't do something you support and on the other side you question someone who says just the same but from a different point of view ? Interesting ...

Anyway ...

PC gamer interview of Casey Hudson states that there aren't any new LI interests in ME3

Casey Hudson: Well yeah, it’s going to be similar to Mass Effect 1 and 2. Like I say, we’re not introducing any new characters that are going to be love interests. There’s some new characters, but generally it’s going to be the interplay between the characters from 2 and the returning ones from 1, and then Liara as the one that’s… either asexual or omnisexual, depends on how you look at it

http://www.pcgamer.c...love-interests/

If that's the way you play:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind that nothing "quoted" is
100% guaranteed. We are still developing the game and features change,
we adapt, refine and improve. Just because you think it is there now
based off an old interview (or even a new one) that doesn't mean it will
or will not be in the game.

I only point this out so people
don't say "But I saw in a thread that "X" feature was confirmed".
NOTHING is confirmed until we ship.

[True Zarken]

Clonedzero wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...


Why can't you put faith in ME team's writers?
It wouldn't be fair AT ALL to the community who do support this, to get nothing but new LIs thrown at us instead of continuing the bond they shared with their favorites from earlier games. Honestly, if they did do this, it would be quite insulting. But, I'm pretty sure they're not, which I'm thankful for. The selection is probably going to be very minimal (I'm thinking Kaidan/Ashley/Liara/Tali/Garrus), but I'm sure it will please a lot of us.

It would be insulting to suddenly change characters like that,characters we have come to love.

And your selection is anything but minimal.

...Really? How is it minimal? It's 4 people, out of the 12 alone in ME2. (And if you're a male Shep, it's only going to be 2, but you probably killed Kaidan so it will be 1.)
It's not changing character...Being gay/bisexual DOES NOT CHANGE WHO A PERSON IS. How is that so hard to comprehend? If you love their personality, they will STILL BE that same person that you love.

thats not the point. you're missing it.

being written as a bi romance changes how they are written, its just a fact.

also there are plenty of people who are concerned their non-romance relationships with characters will be effected by this change. i know alot of people really love the deep brotherly friendship shepard and garrus share. if he's turned bi that could very easily mess with that.

thats what people are concerned about. i want to be able to talk to garrus and have tons of dialogue with him, but WITHOUT engaging in a romantic relationship or even having the possiblity of one brought up. i see him as shepards brother, a romantic relationship is totally out of character for them both.

thats what people are concerned about, they dont mind the s/s romances, many, myself included are happy they're finally being included, they just dont want their favorite characters to be changed and forced into a niche.

QFT Garrus is my brother, nothing more, nothing less. If he suddenly says "I have feelings for you" it is suddenly going to get awkward around the ship.

Modifié par True Zarken, 16 mai 2011 - 11:26 .

[Xilizhra]

As long as I can pretend that Miranda isn't bi in most of my games without the game telling me I'm wrong I don't have a big problem with her being available for an f/f romance. I would prefer if she weren't, but I can live with it.

Why do you want to pretend otherwise?

also there are plenty of people who are concerned their non-romance relationships with characters will be effected by this change. i know alot of people really love the deep brotherly friendship shepard and garrus share. if he's turned bi that could very easily mess with that.

Given that Garrus (and, in fact, every male squadmate other than Kaidan) requires you to flirt with them first to start the romance, I wouldn't call this a cause for concern.

[Ieldra]

FDrage wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

The reasoning is that each player is playing in his or her own ME universe. If the romance is almost always
triggered by the player, I can avoid using the trigger options in the dialogue and pretend, for instance, that Miranda isn't bi. 

one of the problems so is "meta-gaming" in that regards then ...

No, it is the ability to roleplay. If you're playing a straight Shepard and are presented with a romance option in a conversation with a team member of your own gender, you just don't take it. If you do, you're changing your ME universe into one where that team member is available for an s/s relationship. If romance options are clearly marked (and they should after all the "ninjamance" complaints), treat them as if they don't exist.

[Ghost Warrior]

True Zarken wrote...



thats what people are concerned about. i want to be able to talk to garrus and have tons of dialogue with him, but WITHOUT engaging in a romantic relationship or even having the possiblity of one brought up. i see him as shepards brother, a romantic relationship is totally out of character for them both.

This,hundred times this!

SilentNukee wrote...


I hope you're not that guy who's
best friend finally comes out of the closet, and you disown him for it
after years of fun and "bromacing". That's not cool, dude. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Actually,I would most probably do that because I would no longer feel comfortable around him and I would always wonder if he wants to be more than friends. Sure,I could ask him,but he could easily lie.

And believe me,I would notice it before he comes out of the closet officialy,I would just probably refuse to believe it,and be too afraid to ask because I suspect what answer will be.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 16 mai 2011 - 11:32 .

[SilentNukee]

Clonedzero wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...


Why can't you put faith in ME team's writers?
It wouldn't be fair AT ALL to the community who do support this, to get nothing but new LIs thrown at us instead of continuing the bond they shared with their favorites from earlier games. Honestly, if they did do this, it would be quite insulting. But, I'm pretty sure they're not, which I'm thankful for. The selection is probably going to be very minimal (I'm thinking Kaidan/Ashley/Liara/Tali/Garrus), but I'm sure it will please a lot of us.

It would be insulting to suddenly change characters like that,characters we have come to love.

And your selection is anything but minimal.

...Really? How is it minimal? It's 4 people, out of the 12 alone in ME2. (And if you're a male Shep, it's only going to be 2, but you probably killed Kaidan so it will be 1.)
It's not changing character...Being gay/bisexual DOES NOT CHANGE WHO A PERSON IS. How is that so hard to comprehend? If you love their personality, they will STILL BE that same person that you love.

thats not the point. you're missing it.

being written as a bi romance changes how they are written, its just a fact.

also there are plenty of people who are concerned their non-romance relationships with characters will be effected by this change. i know alot of people really love the deep brotherly friendship shepard and garrus share. if he's turned bi that could very easily mess with that.

thats what people are concerned about. i want to be able to talk to garrus and have tons of dialogue with him, but WITHOUT engaging in a romantic relationship or even having the possiblity of one brought up. i see him as shepards brother, a romantic relationship is totally out of character for them both.

thats what people are concerned about, they dont mind the s/s romances, many, myself included are happy they're finally being included, they just dont want their favorite characters to be changed and forced into a niche.

I can understand it from that point of view. But I fully respect the ME team to handle that perfectly so it wouldn't happen. Hell, I wish I could be besties with Tali in my faithful to Liara playthrough. I think they did mention they will improve friendship bonds just as much.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 16 mai 2011 - 11:28 .

[Xilizhra]

I find the notion that you apparently can't have a siblinglike bond with someone who's attracted to your sex utterly baffling. Just look at all the male players who see Tali as a little sister.

[Ieldra]

True Zarken wrote...
thats not the point. you're missing it.

being written as a bi romance changes how they are written, its just a fact.

also there are plenty of people who are concerned their non-romance relationships with characters will be effected by this change. i know alot of people really love the deep brotherly friendship shepard and garrus share. if he's turned bi that could very easily mess with that.

thats what people are concerned about. i want to be able to talk to garrus and have tons of dialogue with him, but WITHOUT engaging in a romantic relationship or even having the possiblity of one brought up. i see him as shepards brother, a romantic relationship is totally out of character for them both.

thats what people are concerned about, they dont mind the s/s romances, many, myself included are happy they're finally being included, they just dont want their favorite characters to be changed and forced into a niche.

Exactly that. There's nothing wrong with changing orientations in principle. But some of my femSheps have such a close friendship with Miranda that all it lacks to become a romance is the sex. But I dont want that. I want those two to become Heterosexual Life Partners. Among other things I find that is something more special than a romance.

[Someone With Mass]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

True Zarken wrote...



thats what people are concerned about. i want to be able to talk to garrus and have tons of dialogue with him, but WITHOUT engaging in a romantic relationship or even having the possiblity of one brought up. i see him as shepards brother, a romantic relationship is totally out of character for them both.

This,hundred times this!

This x 1000.

I always hated when that happened with Ashley and Liara in ME1.

[BrandNewMan]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

This takes place in the distant future. Bisexuality could very well be common.

It could,but so far there was no reason to think that. Okay,looks like every asari (more or less) is bisexual,and some women are too. But during entire two first games we haven't seen one gay or bisexual male.Not one.

How many people's sexuality do we know in Mass Effect?

And while I haven't played LotSB, people say that Gavorn and the human male he was with were gay/bi.

Modifié par BrandNewMan, 16 mai 2011 - 11:32 .

[FDrage]

Ieldra2 wrote...

No, it is the ability to roleplay. If you're playing a straight Shepard and are presented with a romance option in a conversation with a team member of your own gender, you just don't take it. If you do, you're changing your ME universe into one where that team member is available for an s/s relationship. If romance options are clearly marked (and they should after all the "ninjamance" complaints), treat them as if they don't exist.

I'm aware of "roleplaying" after all that is where I come from myself. That's why my Shepards usually have their motivations for doing what they do (at least the vast majority of them) ... the only question is how many would actually roleplay and therefore not "meta-game" compared to the the people that "role-play" ...  and that is where the issue of "meta-gaming" comes into play and anything related to that ...

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
I find the notion that you apparently can't have a siblinglike bond with someone who's attracted to your sex utterly baffling. Just look at all the male players who see Tali as a little sister.

Of course you can. The problem is: will the game let me have that, or will the game force any close friendship down the romance path?

[Xilizhra]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

True Zarken wrote...



thats what people are concerned about. i want to be able to talk to garrus and have tons of dialogue with him, but WITHOUT engaging in a romantic relationship or even having the possiblity of one brought up. i see him as shepards brother, a romantic relationship is totally out of character for them both.

This,hundred times this!

This x 1000.

I always hated when that happened with Ashley and Liara in ME1.

I say again, why would his being attracted to Shepard's sex (maybe) preclude a siblinglike relationship?

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I find the notion that you apparently can't have a siblinglike bond with someone who's attracted to your sex utterly baffling. Just look at all the male players who see Tali as a little sister.

Of course you can. The problem is: will the game let me have that, or will the game force any close friendship down the romance path?

It's never done that to me with any of the male LIs.

[FDrage]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

If that's the way you play:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind that nothing "quoted" is
100% guaranteed. We are still developing the game and features change,
we adapt, refine and improve. Just because you think it is there now
based off an old interview (or even a new one) that doesn't mean it will
or will not be in the game.

I only point this out so people
don't say "But I saw in a thread that "X" feature was confirmed".
NOTHING is confirmed until we ship.

Considering that this is what Casey said I would hold that a biut higher ... and after all that hole thread is based on a "confirmed" fact from the same guy. And that interview was released a few days ago ... so it is no were near old. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it less true or not ... or ?

[Clonedzero]

personally i just think all the s/s relationships should simply be required to make sense in context with the characters, their backround and the story in general. (lore included) they shouldnt make everyone bi for the sake of everyone being bi. thats lazy writing imo and would lead to really generic relationships where for example the romance between male shepard and kaidan is exactly the same, word for word, as kaidan and femshep.

the s/s romances should be actually unique and not just removing the gender restriction on accessing the romance dialogue. they should play out differently because they realistically would.

my big concern is them jsut stamping "bi" on everyone, removing gender restrictions on romances and calling it a day. that'd be horrible and all the romances would suffer because of it.

[Someone With Mass]

Xilizhra wrote...
I say again, why would his being attracted to Shepard's sex (maybe) preclude a siblinglike relationship?

Because I might want to romance other people, while having conversations with Garrus, who is still on the bro level.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I find the notion that you apparently can't have a siblinglike bond with someone who's attracted to your sex utterly baffling. Just look at all the male players who see Tali as a little sister.

Of course you can. The problem is: will the game let me have that, or will the game force any close friendship down the romance path?

It's never done that to me with any of the male LIs.

Yes, but what about the females? Garrus can be and do anything for all I care, I want my femShep to be close friends with Miranda without that drifting off into romance territory.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

[Xilizhra]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I say again, why would his being attracted to Shepard's sex (maybe) preclude a siblinglike relationship?

Because I might want to romance other people, while having conversations with Garrus, who is still on the bro level.

Then do it, exactly like I did. I play as Femshep and never got any hints of overflirtation from anyone other than Kaidan, which I believe they'll have fixed.

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I find the notion that you apparently can't have a siblinglike bond with someone who's attracted to your sex utterly baffling. Just look at all the male players who see Tali as a little sister.

Of course you can. The problem is: will the game let me have that, or will the game force any close friendship down the romance path?

It's never done that to me with any of the male LIs.

Yes, but what about the females? Garrus can be and do anything for all I care, I want my femShep to be close friends with Miranda without that drifting off into romance territory.

Don't worry. Considering... this reaction, I doubt they'll do anything other than make them easy to avoid.

[BrandNewMan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I find the notion that you apparently can't have a siblinglike bond with someone who's attracted to your sex utterly baffling. Just look at all the male players who see Tali as a little sister.

Of course you can. The problem is: will the game let me have that, or will the game force any close friendship down the romance path?

It's never done that to me with any of the male LIs.

Yes, but what about the females? Garrus can be and do anything for all I care, I want my femShep to be close friends with Miranda without that drifting off into romance territory.

Well according to Casey, the options you have are dependant on how you interact with them. That seems to me that it'll remain a friendship until you yourself escalate the relationship.

[ElitePinecone]

@FDrage:

Actually. that interview is a month old - it was only released recently. Read Casey's tweets from a few days back and you'll see Bioware have changed their stance since then.

I asked him on Twitter whether there was a definite change of mind regarding new LIs, and he confirmed it - but emphasized that their plans were spoilers so he couldn't say more.

To repeat, there will be new LIs, old LIs, some combinations, all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff. Which ones are available, and where, and how, remain to be seen.

[Clonedzero]

Xilizhra wrote...

Don't worry. Considering... this reaction, I doubt they'll do anything other than make them easy to avoid.

please get off your condesending high-horse.

the only concerns i see here are completely reasonable ones where people are worried the established characters they've grown to love will be changed to fit better with an s/s romance they're not interested in.

the concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that its s/s romances.
its about them changing existing characters. its not a hard concept to understand.

will the same romances be used with both genders making the romances feel really cheap and generic?
will the non-romantic relationships with the characters be effected?
is the characters backstory going to be rewritten simply to allow them to be bi?

reasonable questions imo.

[Vengeful Nature]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

FDrage wrote...

So you say it would be insulting if they don't do something you support and on the other side you question someone who says just the same but from a different point of view ? Interesting ...

Anyway ...

PC gamer interview of Casey Hudson states that there aren't any new LI interests in ME3

Casey Hudson: Well yeah, it’s going to be similar to Mass Effect 1 and 2. Like I say, we’re not introducing any new characters that are going to be love interests. There’s some new characters, but generally it’s going to be the interplay between the characters from 2 and the returning ones from 1, and then Liara as the one that’s… either asexual or omnisexual, depends on how you look at it

http://www.pcgamer.c...love-interests/

If that's the way you play:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind that nothing "quoted" is
100% guaranteed. We are still developing the game and features change,
we adapt, refine and improve. Just because you think it is there now
based off an old interview (or even a new one) that doesn't mean it will
or will not be in the game.

I only point this out so people
don't say "But I saw in a thread that "X" feature was confirmed".
NOTHING is confirmed until we ship.

Except that this is straight out of the horses mouth, so to speak. So no new LI's. Vega ain't gonna be anyone's squeeze. Nor will Chakwas. Or a varen. Or anything else I've seen suggested on this thread that isn't already an LI from the first 2 games.