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[Ryzaki]

Erani wrote...

I know 

My Shepard can't wait to get some of that sexy James Vega<3 (not sure of the name actually)

Neither can mine. Either Vega or Joker will do. (Though yeah everytime I think of the name I think of Street Fighter.) 

[Centauri2002]

ReconTeam wrote...

Russalka wrote...
A while ago, the people opposing this were arguing that the cut gay scenes were nothing and owed no significance, saying that they no doubt recorded all of it due to protocol. Now it suddenly matters.

Awhile ago the people supporting this were claiming Bioware was some sort of horrible sexist company for not adding the content they wanted...

Sexist? I think their portrayal of women has been fine throughout their franchises. I don't think that's ever been an issue.

Modifié par centauri2002, 18 mai 2011 - 10:45 .

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...

Awhile ago the people supporting this were claiming Bioware was some sort of horrible sexist company for not adding the content they wanted...

I recall the situation being calling out Bioware on something people had the right to question about, like any other story or gameplay element. It got nasty when someone impolite decided to step in, not necessarily someone who just disagreed.

To think a whole group of gamers is just a spoiled and melodramatic bunch of whiners is a bit of a stretch.

EDIT: Centauri responded to the 'sexism' part. Hm, yes.

Modifié par Russalka, 18 mai 2011 - 10:45 .

[bald man in a boat]

Dear vocal minority,

I'm going to leave this here. There are 506 votes that either don't care or that support the s/s issue. There are 74 who are against it.

Enjoy life behind the times.

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

Russalka wrote...
A while ago, the people opposing this were arguing that the cut gay scenes were nothing and owed no significance, saying that they no doubt recorded all of it due to protocol. Now it suddenly matters.

Awhile ago the people supporting this were claiming Bioware was some sort of horrible sexist company for not adding the content they wanted...

Awhile ago you were happy to gloat that BioWare was excluding gay content regardless of who was unhappy about it, now you're crying because they're not accommodating your desire to have an extra level of protection from gay content other than just saying "no thanks, dude". I know what my point is, but what is your point?

[Erani]

SennenScale wrote...

Agreed, Nyoka. It is a disservice to Liara to pretend that she is mind controlling Shepard.

LOL...yes, honestly that's the only way  100%straight-canon-FemShep would fall for Liara, mind control.

[Polliot]

Erani wrote...



May I ask, what riots?

Edit: Also, working on some content but not implementing it because of X reason is not the same as Casey Hudson confirming it on twitter.

Maybe riots is wrong word (English is not my mother tongue). I meant this thread,for example.A lot of people are against this,maybe too many.

And Casey said it himself: "nothing is really confirmed until we ship",so there is still more than enough time to change this decision.

[Russalka]

Sylvianus wrote...

Yes. Some i'v read. It's their right to think it's good, as it's my right to think it's ridiculous.

Also, Bioware has not said how he would translate it, even if i'm confident.

The cast is too different, ME3 being a direct sequel, from how the situation was in Dragon Age 2. It will not happen. Why worry?

Modifié par Russalka, 18 mai 2011 - 10:49 .

[Russalka]

Polliot wrote...

Maybe riots is wrong word (English is not my mother tongue). I meant this thread,for example.A lot of people are against this,maybe too many.

The forums do not represent the whole playerbase.

[Siansonea]

Raanz wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...
I'm gonna re-emphasize the last part of your post, and I feel a lot of this discussion is due mainly out of fear that previously established NPCs will be rewritten with "pandering" in mind.

I think it would be best to just inrtoduce new Lis with bi/homosexual gamers in mind. Everyone gets a clean slate and given Biowares track record, the characters new and old would be handled well.

Thanks Zulmoka

I can't speak for every opposing viewpoint in this thread, but this is my issue...if they are going to retcon existing, established NPCs to pander, then yeah, I have a problem with it.  If they are going to give homosexual players or players who want to role-play their Shepard as a homosexual or bi-sexual new LI options then more power to them.

----- the following is for those folks....well you know who you are --------
Will my voiced opinion have any bearing on what is to come?  I doubt it.  Someone thought enough to create a thread in order to discuss it so here we are.  I suggest if you don't like the way the discussion is going, then don't come read the posts.  No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to read and comment on this subject.

If you can't tell already, I also take issue with self-righteous, "enlightened" forum posters too.

Love ya!

What a perfectly reasonable and tolerant viewpoint. Are you sure you're in the right thread? 

[Merci357]

Polliot wrote...

That can change.And after all these riots,it is very possible.

Sorry, but what riot?

A tiny vocal fraction dislike this change (for various reasons), and speak up here, and a tiny vocal minority defend this change. That's it. Now, where is this riot? You need to realise that the vast majority doesn't care about this, either way. Doesn't care or doesn't mind, even.

Modifié par Merci357, 18 mai 2011 - 10:52 .

[Phaelducan]

bald man in a boat wrote...

Dear vocal minority,

I'm going to leave this here. There are 506 votes that either don't care or that support the s/s issue. There are 74 who are against it.

Enjoy life behind the times.

You are using THIS board as an accurate sample group? /facepalm again

Look at the Fight for the Lost thread for crying out loud. You couldn't find a more biased sample group.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Polliot wrote...

Maybe riots is wrong word (English is not my mother tongue). I meant this thread,for example.A lot of people are against this,maybe too many.

And Casey said it himself: "nothing is really confirmed until we ship",so there is still more than enough time to change this decision.

It's true - it's possible that they may revert this.

But can you imagine how bad that would look? Bioware has a pretty good track record for inclusive games. The Mass Effect team, up until, really speaking....now...has had a serious case of foot-in-mouth.

Modifié par TommyServo, 18 mai 2011 - 10:55 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Siansonea II wrote...
Awhile ago you were happy to gloat that BioWare was excluding gay content regardless of who was unhappy about it, now you're crying because they're not accommodating your desire to have an extra level of protection from gay content other than just saying "no thanks, dude". I know what my point is, but what is your point?

What is your point? You're spoiled and arrogant because only your opinion matters? Of course I figured Bioware wouldn't cave into the whiners like yourself. I rather figured the ME team was better than that.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 18 mai 2011 - 10:55 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Raanz wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...
I'm gonna re-emphasize the last part of your post, and I feel a lot of this discussion is due mainly out of fear that previously established NPCs will be rewritten with "pandering" in mind.

I think it would be best to just inrtoduce new Lis with bi/homosexual gamers in mind. Everyone gets a clean slate and given Biowares track record, the characters new and old would be handled well.

Thanks Zulmoka

I can't speak for every opposing viewpoint in this thread, but this is my issue...if they are going to retcon existing, established NPCs to pander, then yeah, I have a problem with it.  If they are going to give homosexual players or players who want to role-play their Shepard as a homosexual or bi-sexual new LI options then more power to them.

----- the following is for those folks....well you know who you are --------
Will my voiced opinion have any bearing on what is to come?  I doubt it.  Someone thought enough to create a thread in order to discuss it so here we are.  I suggest if you don't like the way the discussion is going, then don't come read the posts.  No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to read and comment on this subject.

If you can't tell already, I also take issue with self-righteous, "enlightened" forum posters too.

Love ya!

This is basically what I've been saying all along buddy. A new gay LI? Cool beans, more than happy to turn him down/not pursue that when the time comes, and as long as we can actually have a platonic interaction, it's all good.

But mess with the existing cast? HELL NO! I tell you man, sometimes the more vocal gay forumites here just will not be happy unless EVERY bloke you meet can be flirted with. Leave it out, eh? Be happy and rejoice that you ARE being considered and there WILL be a romance option, and leave the existing cast alone. Surely, it isn't too much to ask?

EDIT:- Also a bit misleading as PCGamer UK reported in their June article there would be NO NEW LI's. At all. Maybe they'll change their minds again at the end or won't have enough time to get it in, who knows.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 18 mai 2011 - 10:54 .

[Centauri2002]

Polliot wrote...
Maybe riots is wrong word (English is not my mother tongue). I meant this thread,for example.A lot of people are against this,maybe too many.

And Casey said it himself: "nothing is really confirmed until we ship",so there is still more than enough time to change this decision.

From what I've seen, there's no more against this than for it in this thread. It's just the same people going around and around in circles with the same arguments. If BioWare were to look at this thread, they wouldn't have much to worry about. Lets's face it, we're all buying ME3 anyway.

[Polliot]

Russalka wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Maybe riots is wrong word (English is not my mother tongue). I meant this thread,for example.A lot of people are against this,maybe too many.

The forums do not represent the whole playerbase.

And I actually think there is a lot bigger percentage of people who support it on these forums than outside of it.

[PMC65]

MACharlie1 wrote...

And contrary to popular belief, not everyone who watches Fox takes everything they say as word of God.

*cough*

I found out about the game on Fox ... When the host (Martha MacCallum) said how amazing the graphics were (movie-quality) I had to check the game out. The only person that I thought was over the top was the author and psychology expert Cooper Lawrence. But anytime there is an "expert" on any show (Fox, CNN, MSNB, etc) it ends with blood coming out of my ears. 

Back to topic: Have we finished discussing how people don't want gay/bi options and moved on to what wider options for romance that ew want to see? 

[Servo to the bitter end]

Polliot wrote...

And I actually think there is a lot bigger percentage of people who support it on these forums than outside of it.

And I think that, realistically, the number of people outside of the forums who don't care either way would block out the sun.

[Russalka]

Polliot wrote...

And I actually think there is a lot bigger percentage of people who support it on these forums than outside of it.

I think people don't care. We agree to disagree.

[SennenScale]

Erani wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Agreed, Nyoka. It is a disservice to Liara to pretend that she is mind controlling Shepard.

LOL...yes, honestly that's the only way  100%straight-canon-FemShep would fall for Liara, mind control.

So now we've gotten to the point of mind control/intoxication with magic pheromones is apparently more acceptable than lesbians, it seems.

[bald man in a boat]

Failducan wrote...

*snip*

[Image removed]

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 19 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[Polliot]

centauri2002 wrote...

Polliot wrote...
Maybe riots is wrong word (English is not my mother tongue). I meant this thread,for example.A lot of people are against this,maybe too many.

And Casey said it himself: "nothing is really confirmed until we ship",so there is still more than enough time to change this decision.

From what I've seen, there's no more against this than for it in this thread. It's just the same people going around and around in circles with the same arguments. If BioWare were to look at this thread, they wouldn't have much to worry about. Lets's face it, we're all buying ME3 anyway.

Definitely true.

[Russalka]

ReconTeam wrote...
What is your point? You're spoiled and arrogant because only your opinion matters? Of course I figured Bioware wouldn't cave into the whiners like yourself. I rather figured the ME team was better than that.

What is the purpose of you returning all the time and not trying to start a civil dialogue?

EDIT: And I said this after bald man in a boat has had his fun. *sigh*

Modifié par Russalka, 18 mai 2011 - 10:58 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Phaelducan wrote...

Blah blah blah. Excuses. The scenes were functional as is, they were removed for reasons having nothing to do with time and expenditure. They were cut because Bioware didn't want more controversy, and didn't think a gay male protagonist helped their product. 100th level clue? They were right, it wouldn't have, and we would have heard more vitriolic garbage coming from Fox News. 

No way implementing s/s romances for male shep's  would not have been included if Bioware thought it pertinent, relevant, and important to the narrative (even at 5-6 days... which no way would it have taken that long either... the scenes were completed... not mostly but actually finished, hence the mods out there)

Sometimes a problem is a lot more complicated than it looks from the outside. Sometimes a dev can fully implement six complicated-seeming quests in a day, other times they struggle for twelve hours to just get one stupid flag to work correctly. All I'm saying is we can't know how much longer it would have taken to implement the s/s content, because we don't know anything about Bioware's tools. We can only take Bioware's word that it would have taken more time than they had.

And modding isn't as simple as flipping a switch that Bioware "turned off."  I believe Kaidan and Ashley's VA dialogue doesn't always have the appropriate pronoun replacement in it, and I don't believe the "catfight" scene was written for Kaidan and a male Shepard, and Kaidan/Ashley "catfight' scenes don't exist at all (as far as I know).They would have been required a ton of extra scripting. I think that the feature was likely cut months before launch, honestly, for exactly those reasons - the catfight scene was too hard to script with extra variations, and ALL the love interests would have required substantial rewrites to prevent them from "ninjamancing" Shepard.

I'd say same sex romances were probably cut about 2/3 of the way through the development period... deep enough in to have some (but not all) of the voice acting done, but far enough back that they couldn't be easily finished and marched out the door in a later patch.

Anyway, there were same sex options in most other recent Bioware games. I don't see why it's so hard to believe that Bioware intended to do the same thing with Mass Effect as they've done with most other games, and simply didn't have time.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 18 mai 2011 - 11:00 .