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[BrandNewMan]

Clonedzero wrote...

reasonable questions imo.

And they are. I think some people are misinterpreting the concern as disaproval of the announcement.

[Xilizhra]

the concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that its s/s romances.

I find this extremely unlikely. It might not be with you, but there are quite a few people here for whom I'm certain this is a bigger issue because it's S/S. I wasn't around for it, but was there this much rage over Garrus and Tali becoming LIs?

[Black Raptor]

Clonedzero wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Don't worry. Considering... this reaction, I doubt they'll do anything other than make them easy to avoid.

please get off your condesending high-horse.

the only concerns i see here are completely reasonable ones where people are worried the established characters they've grown to love will be changed to fit better with an s/s romance they're not interested in.

the concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that its s/s romances.
its about them changing existing characters. its not a hard concept to understand.

will the same romances be used with both genders making the romances feel really cheap and generic?
will the non-romantic relationships with the characters be effected?
is the characters backstory going to be rewritten simply to allow them to be bi?

reasonable questions imo.

Chances are you will be the one initiating s/s relationships. If you don't then nobody will care. If you do, it'll be like femshep with Garrus (Why the hell not?) kind of dialogue. As in they hadn't really thought about it but are cool with trying. 
That's my bet. 

[Fault Girl]

It's good that there will be s/s in ME3. But the way DA2 was successful in it was due to most PC's being newish to franchise, no pre-determined background in a sense. Minus Anders/Isabela..Merril not so much.

But we must remember that not everyone is comfortable with s/s relationships. They are allowed to be, it is their right. We might not agree with them but opinions must not forced onto each other.

I can see where people are coming from being uncomfortable, not all cultures are the same and the term homophone is used too lightly. Though I think games and even films should start to depict "real" gay people rather than stereotypes, we must remember we are still in the minority and can't expect everyone to understand or agree.

Although I say I am not gay, I never know when I might meet an amazing person who is the same sex, but I am an open person but then remembering that everyone is not the same is key.

We must respect each other. Just like Sheps who fall for Garrus/Tali/Thane/Liara. It is not the shell but what's inside.

[Ghost Warrior]

Clonedzero wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Don't worry. Considering... this reaction, I doubt they'll do anything other than make them easy to avoid.

please get off your condesending high-horse.

the only concerns i see here are completely reasonable ones where people are worried the established characters they've grown to love will be changed to fit better with an s/s romance they're not interested in.

the concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that its s/s romances.
its about them changing existing characters. its not a hard concept to understand.

will the same romances be used with both genders making the romances feel really cheap and generic?
will the non-romantic relationships with the characters be effected?
is the characters backstory going to be rewritten simply to allow them to be bi?

reasonable questions imo.

Obviously it is hard for some to understand that.

@ vengeful nature - read ElitePinecone's post

[thatguy212]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

FDrage wrote...

So you say it would be insulting if they don't do something you support and on the other side you question someone who says just the same but from a different point of view ? Interesting ...

Anyway ...

PC gamer interview of Casey Hudson states that there aren't any new LI interests in ME3

Casey Hudson: Well yeah, it’s going to be similar to Mass Effect 1 and 2. Like I say, we’re not introducing any new characters that are going to be love interests. There’s some new characters, but generally it’s going to be the interplay between the characters from 2 and the returning ones from 1, and then Liara as the one that’s… either asexual or omnisexual, depends on how you look at it

http://www.pcgamer.c...love-interests/

If that's the way you play:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind that nothing "quoted" is
100% guaranteed. We are still developing the game and features change,
we adapt, refine and improve. Just because you think it is there now
based off an old interview (or even a new one) that doesn't mean it will
or will not be in the game.

I only point this out so people
don't say "But I saw in a thread that "X" feature was confirmed".
NOTHING is confirmed until we ship.

Except that this is straight out of the horses mouth, so to speak. So no new LI's. Vega ain't gonna be anyone's squeeze. Nor will Chakwas. Or a varen. Or anything else I've seen suggested on this thread that isn't already an LI from the first 2 games.

Except that Casey has since said in regards to the article that "Don't believe everything you read in print (or online for that matter)." and also he's said their plans have changed "Yes, our plans evolve over time, and are guided by your feedback. Interviews are often from earlier stages of development."

[Mrxknown]

ReconTeam wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
Best option - James Vega and Liara bi. Everybody else stays the same

As much as it pains me to compromise, yes this is probably the best solution, as long as James Vega isn't handled in a Dragon Age 2 Anders manner.

I agree with this and it will not pain me to say that.

Going back and changing defined characters like Kaiden or Ashley to be bi or just gay would be too much. New characters yes or since we didn't do anything with them in ME2, then Grunt, Legion, Zaed, and Kasumi.

But no exisiting LI should be changed to be bi.

[candidate88766]

SilentNukee wrote...

True Zarken wrote...

Spanky Magoo wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

I have no problem with them introducing some new characters to fill the role of a same-sex LI; in fact I'd welcome it as it shows Bioware is not only willing to listen to its community but also handle mature issues despite the fact that it will no doubt bring the wrath of 'news' programmes like Fox.

However, I would have a problem if they changed any of the current characters to make them same-sex romance compatible, as that would be a pretty big change in their characters and I feel it could compromise who they are and their personalities that have built up over 35 to 70 hours.

this exactly

I also approve of this message

I dissaprove. I didn't spend those 80 hours with older squadmates that another 30-40 hour of gameplay will make up for.
I SUPPORT OLD SQUADMATES' DIVERSE SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS.
If you don't want to see them, you won't. BioWare won't force it onto you like that unless you want it to be going that route.

I just feel that after between 40 to 80 hours with these characters being straight that suddenly changing them would be a disservice to the character developments of the first two games. I'm sure many fans would love to have same-sex romances with current characters, but I think it would cheapen them to suddenly change their sexual orientation.

And ultimately, chagning the characters at the last minute would - I feel - be a disservice to the fans who wnated this in the first place. Even if Bioware doesn't force it on everyone, the players who do want s-s romances with current characters would be experiencing an inconsistent storyline in terms of those characters - almost like giving these players their own canon, which seems derogatory. Creating new characters for s-s romances allows players to experience that in the same canon as everyone else - which is utlimately a good thing for all involved.

[InvaderErl]

Ieldra2 wrote...

My only concern is that they're going to write the romances more generic because of this.

Edit:
While I can live with it, I would hugely *prefer* it if existing characters' sexual orientation weren't changed or reinterpreted.

This very much.

My greatest fear is the romances that are already in progress being derailed or weakened because now they need to be more vague or nebulous about things like gender (not to mention play catchup to the rest of us). I mean the developers can only make so much game, they can only do so much voicework and if they need to cut down on elements like that it would suck.
 
I can't help but think if let's say Garrus suddenly was made bi out of the blue we would never have gotten great bits like his comparing FemShep to a female Turian or even minor things like Tali's use of male pronouns when she's actually professing her feelings for Shepard but it goes further to even simple things like animation during these scenes have gender elements to them.

There is some precedent for this with DA2 which eschewed characterization in favor of player choice and for the worse.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 mai 2011 - 12:11 .

[Clonedzero]

Xilizhra wrote...

the concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that its s/s romances.

I find this extremely unlikely. It might not be with you, but there are quite a few people here for whom I'm certain this is a bigger issue because it's S/S. I wasn't around for it, but was there this much rage over Garrus and Tali becoming LIs?

thats a very toxic way to look at it. what kind of bleak world do you live in where you assume the worst of everyones opinions?

and personally i think garrus and tali romances are pure shameless fanservice as neither makes any sense in regards to the games lore and simple logistics. regardless of gender i dont think turian / human romantic relationships make any sense at all lol. same thing with quarians.

[BrandNewMan]

SilentNukee wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

And you said that they are probably going to select a few. On a 12 people team,even that's too much. Bisexuality is not a common thing.

This takes place in the distant future. Bisexuality could very well be common.

Hm, I don't know. Considering colonisation is very important in the galaxy, it probably isn't that common. But I'm sure it's more common than interspecies romances. At least, it should be. (Especially in the real world...If people don't think so, well...Something's wrong. O.o)

Wellllll, apparantly inter-species relationships are common, according to Mordin.

Oh, and he says he'd be open to male Shepard if he was into humans. So that says something else on the matter of bisexuality.

Modifié par BrandNewMan, 16 mai 2011 - 12:10 .

[Xilizhra]

Clonedzero wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

the concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that its s/s romances.

I find this extremely unlikely. It might not be with you, but there are quite a few people here for whom I'm certain this is a bigger issue because it's S/S. I wasn't around for it, but was there this much rage over Garrus and Tali becoming LIs?

thats a very toxic way to look at it. what kind of bleak world do you live in where you assume the worst of everyones opinions?

and personally i think garrus and tali romances are pure shameless fanservice as neither makes any sense in regards to the games lore and simple logistics. regardless of gender i dont think turian / human romantic relationships make any sense at all lol. same thing with quarians.

A world with preestablished widespread homophobia.
However, you do seem consistent here...

[InvaderErl]

Well Mordin is a Renaissance Man, he's up for anything at least once I think.

[hawat333]

Great, so Shepard suddenly turns out to be a bisexual.
Good idea, really.
Now I have to kill each same-sex character before they jump on me in the game and screw up the atmosphere with awkward comments, making me uncomfortable like it happened with the DA series?
Or you coud at least be careful with that development. No Sky moments from Jade Empire, no Zevran and Anders from DA1 and 2.

Interesting by the way, a prefixed character like Shepard is, nearly never takes turns in his/her personality in a series. That's pretty unusual in this type of narrative.

[Wittand25]

Clonedzero wrote...
will the same romances be used with both genders making the romances feel really cheap and generic?
will the non-romantic relationships with the characters be effected?
is the characters backstory going to be rewritten simply to allow them to be bi?

reasonable questions imo.

1.) The romances in the DA games did not feel generic to me and there was not only a notable difference between the romances of the various LIs but also whether you friend romanced them or went down the rival path. So there is little to worry about here.

2.)Judging by the precedent set by ME2, I would say that unless the ME team changes how romances play out this is likely to happen in some cases.

3.) There is no need to do that since we do not know much about the back-story of any of the companions. There are more than enough holes and blank spaces in the NPCs past to allow for it. And there is also the "Gay for you" possibility similar to Garrus/FShep, though I would prefer it if Shepard is not the first guy that the m/m LI is attracted to.

[Sonvega]

My Shepard loves Kaidan since ME1, hope Kaidan becomes available. I'm pessimistic, so Shepard's going to be single in ME3 too *sadly* and dies. After the first playthrough a new Shepard will romance the s/s LIs. Thx Bioware.

[Clonedzero]

i think the best way to do it would be to select a couple of logical choices for s/s relationships. (kaidan / ashley being the best choices i think) and write unique romances specifically for m/m and f/f. with completely unique dialogue and scenes for them.

i think the s/s community deserves unique and well done romances, not just swap out femshep for male shep and have the romances play out exactly the same. realistically this would mean less choices but its a fairly well known fact that quality > quantity.

[Ghost Warrior]

Mrxknown wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
Best option - James Vega and Liara bi. Everybody else stays the same

As much as it pains me to compromise, yes this is probably the best solution, as long as James Vega isn't handled in a Dragon Age 2 Anders manner.

I agree with this and it will not pain me to say that.

Going back and changing defined characters like Kaiden or Ashley to be bi or just gay would be too much. New characters yes or since we didn't do anything with them in ME2, then Grunt, Legion, Zaed, and Kasumi.

But no exisiting LI should be changed to be bi.

Well that's what I've been saying all along. And I would have to add Jack as a bi.

But I have to say I wouldn't expect to see any of those you listed as any kind of romance. Zaeed and Grunt live for killing,not really romance types. Legion is a machine. Kasumi could be bisexual. And you forgot Mordin,but he is also unlikely to be any kind of LI,he is just focused on his work and doesn't seem to be interested in such things.

[InvaderErl]

Samara/Shiala would be the most logical f/f choices I think. If there's a new female teammate that would be a great place to get a s/s love interest in as well.

m/m will obviously be a bit trickier but I think there are a few choices they could get away with. Vega obviously. Maybe Ken from engineering for example.

[Darth Death]

I thought there wasn't going to be any new LI in ME3.

[InvaderErl]

The whole love interest situation has been made completely nebulous atm.

[GreenSoda]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mrxknown wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
Best option - James Vega and Liara bi. Everybody else stays the same

As much as it pains me to compromise, yes this is probably the best solution, as long as James Vega isn't handled in a Dragon Age 2 Anders manner.

I agree with this and it will not pain me to say that.

Going back and changing defined characters like Kaiden or Ashley to be bi or just gay would be too much. New characters yes or since we didn't do anything with them in ME2, then Grunt, Legion, Zaed, and Kasumi.

But no exisiting LI should be changed to be bi.

Well that's what I've been saying all along. And I would have to add Jack as a bi.

But I have to say I wouldn't expect to see any of those you listed as any kind of romance. Zaeed and Grunt live for killing,not really romance types. Legion is a machine. Kasumi could be bisexual. And you forgot Mordin,but he is also unlikely to be any kind of LI,he is just focused on his work and doesn't seem to be interested in such things.

Jack ? Isn't she the only character that actually blows FemShep off explicitily because of her gender ? (the girls club comment). I'm really curious how BW could spin her character to fall for femShep after ME2 and not make it seem shoe-horned in.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 16 mai 2011 - 12:26 .

[SilentNukee]

FemShep Talimancer. K, go.
And people keep bringing up how "straight" everyone is...Gah, they never say their sexual preferences! Even if they DID have sex with you, that doesn't mean they're straight. (Except for Jack as she does say she doesn't swing with girls.)
I've been with the same guy for 4 years, and I'm not straight, though people do like to assume I am. Things can be deceiving, including stories of their past. (Such as Garrus and Kaiden's ex-girlfriends.)
So...with that, we'll see how it pans out in ME3. Now people are bringing more fear into this...Dumbing down the existing relationships to include these new ones? God, I hope not...But it's ME we're talking about, not DA.

[Blacklash93]

hawat333 wrote...

Great, so Shepard suddenly turns out to be a bisexual.
Good idea, really.
Now I have to kill each same-sex character before they jump on me in the game and screw up the atmosphere with awkward comments, making me uncomfortable like it happened with the DA series?
Or you coud at least be careful with that development. No Sky moments from Jade Empire, no Zevran and Anders from DA1 and 2.

Interesting by the way, a prefixed character like Shepard is, nearly never takes turns in his/her personality in a series. That's pretty unusual in this type of narrative.

It's an RPG. Shepard's sexuality is whatever you want it to be. He isn't definitively gay, straight, or bi.

And the "I'm going to kill all s/s characters." thing again? Grow up.

[SilentNukee]

GreenSoda wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mrxknown wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
Best option - James Vega and Liara bi. Everybody else stays the same

As much as it pains me to compromise, yes this is probably the best solution, as long as James Vega isn't handled in a Dragon Age 2 Anders manner.

I agree with this and it will not pain me to say that.

Going back and changing defined characters like Kaiden or Ashley to be bi or just gay would be too much. New characters yes or since we didn't do anything with them in ME2, then Grunt, Legion, Zaed, and Kasumi.

But no exisiting LI should be changed to be bi.

Well that's what I've been saying all along. And I would have to add Jack as a bi.

But I have to say I wouldn't expect to see any of those you listed as any kind of romance. Zaeed and Grunt live for killing,not really romance types. Legion is a machine. Kasumi could be bisexual. And you forgot Mordin,but he is also unlikely to be any kind of LI,he is just focused on his work and doesn't seem to be interested in such things.

Jack ? Isn't she the only character that actually blows femSheph off explicitily because of her gender ? (the girls club comment). I'm really curious how BW could spin her character to fall for femShep after ME2 and not make it seem shoe-horned in.

Yessir, she totally blew my FemShep off, it hurt. :[ (If you choose the paragon option.) I guess those who play male Shep don't get to hear the conversation, though. (They just wouldn't know.)

Modifié par SilentNukee, 16 mai 2011 - 12:29 .