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[SilentNukee]

oops, double post ftl.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 16 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[Clonedzero]

SilentNukee wrote...

FemShep Talimancer. K, go.
And people keep bringing up how "straight" everyone is...Gah, they never say their sexual preferences! Even if they DID have sex with you, that doesn't mean they're straight. (Except for Jack as she does say she doesn't swing with girls.)
I've been with the same guy for 4 years, and I'm not straight, though people do like to assume I am. Things can be deceiving, including stories of their past. (Such as Garrus and Kaiden's ex-girlfriends.)
So...with that, we'll see how it pans out in ME3. Now people are bringing more fear into this...Dumbing down the existing relationships to include these new ones? God, I hope not...But it's ME we're talking about, not DA.

actually i think kaidans "ex" is the perfect backstory opening to show that he's bi. he specifically mentions he never actually did anything with her because "he's not like that". maybe showing that he was confused as a teenager, there could be a scene where he confides in you and tells you about that? i dunno i think it could be well done

ashley as well, alot of religious pressure maybe against her being bi so she was always hesitent to, maybe her tight knit family could also give that pressure against it.

plus the fact both ashley and kaidan were in the military, maybe its allowed but still sorta shunned? interesting little things like that could make the romances there really interesting and deep.

thats why i really believe the s/s romances should be unique in dialogue and what happens. swapping out shepards model with the other gender would be a horrible way to solve this.

[Russalka]

It is certainly fascinating how Liara suddenly counts as a lesbian option again to the people who opposed this addition.

[blacqout]

I'm not exactly thrilled with the announcement.

I hope that same sex relationships will be handled far less heavy-handedly in ME3 than they were in Dragon Age II, where Fenris and Anders come onto male Hawke even if you don't lead them on.

I would hope that Shepard will have to explicitly show an interest before an established character such as Garrus will start making playful comments.

Modifié par blacqout, 16 mai 2011 - 12:37 .

[Russalka]

Fenris does not come onto you if you do not show interest. And Anders is a needy person. Get over it.

[InvaderErl]

Fenris comes onto you. He says something to the effect of I could stay if I had a good reason and gives you a sly look at the end of his first conversation. He's just much more subtle and gracious about it (which explains why I liked Fenris a lot but whatever)

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 mai 2011 - 12:40 .

[Russalka]

Was your sexuality threatened by a single look?

Modifié par Russalka, 16 mai 2011 - 12:43 .

[blacqout]

Russalka wrote...

Fenris does not come onto you if you do not show interest. And Anders is a needy person. Get over it.

I'm afraid he does.

You might not have to reply to his "if i had known he'd find someone so capable" comment with a little heart option, but his intent is pretty clear.

Besides, i'm not complaining about the way it was handled in Dragon Age II exactly, and i thought that Anders' characterisation was good. I'm just saying that it should not be handled the same way in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par blacqout, 16 mai 2011 - 12:42 .

[Clonedzero]

Russalka wrote...

Fenris does not come onto you if you do not show interest. And Anders is a needy person. Get over it.

yeah he does, its super subtle and for it to continue a romance i believe you HAVE to pick the heart icon.

when you first get him in the mansion and you sit down at the fireplace he comes onto you. its FAR more subtle though and can actually easily go unnoticed.

i remember it because i specifically remember thinking "wow, fenris' come-on was handled way better than anders"

[InvaderErl]

I'm pretty sure there's a heart option after that

[Ghost Warrior]

These are characters I can see as bisexual(others not one bit):
1. Liara (well she already is,but anyway)
2. Samara (every asari seems to be)
3. Thane (not every friendship is the same,and his with male Shep looks like something that could develop in something more)
4. Jack (mentioned that she was,doesn't mean she still is,but very possible)
5. Kasumi (because we know very little about her,and we have no real dialogues to indicate either way)
6. this one a huge maybe - Miranda (something about her,I can't quite explain it.I see her being a bi very unlikely but if VERY carefully done,I would find it...believable)

Garrus,Kaidan,Ashley and Jacob I can't see as bisexual people,without ruining their character.

Wrex,Zaeed,Mordin,Grunt and Legion I don't see as any kind of LI

And as for Tali,I dislike her in general so I never spent enough time with her in ME2 to have an opinion


And I already know what will some of you answer,that this is just my opinion and doesn't make it true. Right,but I am a great judge of character and I'm pretty sure my list makes a lot sense. Now you say "it makes sense to you,not for everyone" or something like that.

Anyway,I just wanted to say one more time that I'm not against S/S relationships in general,just against certain established characters being bisexual. That is all.

[Russalka]

That can be interpreted in so many ways. If you wish to read into that as a flirt, then that is your problem, not everyone else's.

[InvaderErl]

Russalka wrote...

Was your sexuality threatened by a single look

Not at all, Fenris was probably one of the few DA2 companions I really liked. Fantastic voice actor.

[Shepard Lives]

Russalka wrote...

Fenris does not come onto you if you do not show interest. And Anders is a needy person. Get over it.

Seeeeriously.

So he came onto you. Big whoop. Tell him "not interested" and take your damn rivalry points like a man. It's not a punishment. Not to mention Mass Effect doesn't even have friendship/rivalry.

Do you seriously want all characters to take absolutely no action whatsoever unless the player prompts them to? This is something I will never understand.
It makes them feel so much more alive if they flirt with you, lie to you, make up plans of their own without the player's help.

[Russalka]

A few depressed lines by Anders were followed by heart-options, that complaining by him certainly did not seem like flirting to me.

[blacqout]

Russalka wrote...

That can be interpreted in so many ways. If you wish to read into that as a flirt, then that is your problem, not everyone else's.

It's a shame that you're not so generous when interpreting any comment made by somebody that has concerns over the way this s/s thing might be handled.

If you wish to see homophobia and closet cases everywhere, that's your problem. And quite a big one, you should look into rectifying it.

Modifié par blacqout, 16 mai 2011 - 12:47 .

[Clonedzero]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

These are characters I can see as bisexual(others not one bit):
1. Liara (well she already is,but anyway)
2. Samara (every asari seems to be)
3. Thane (not every friendship is the same,and his with male Shep looks like something that could develop in something more)
4. Jack (mentioned that she was,doesn't mean she still is,but very possible)
5. Kasumi (because we know very little about her,and we have no real dialogues to indicate either way)
6. this one a huge maybe - Miranda (something about her,I can't quite explain it.I see her being a bi very unlikely but if VERY carefully done,I would find it...believable)

Garrus,Kaidan,Ashley and Jacob I can't see as bisexual people,without ruining their character.

Wrex,Zaeed,Mordin,Grunt and Legion I don't see as any kind of LI

And as for Tali,I dislike her in general so I never spent enough time with her in ME2 to have an opinion


And I already know what will some of you answer,that this is just my opinion and doesn't make it true. Right,but I am a great judge of character and I'm pretty sure my list makes a lot sense. Now you say "it makes sense to you,not for everyone" or something like that.

Anyway,I just wanted to say one more time that I'm not against S/S relationships in general,just against certain established characters being bisexual. That is all.

i actually disagree with your choices.

i think kaidan and ashley are the two estalbished characters who could be convincingly bi as they actually have reasonable reasons why they might hide it from you till this point. the rest of the cast has no real reason to hide the fact that they were bi and attracted to you.

i mean the alliance has regs against straight people in the military being in relationships so s/s relationships would be the same way, they could have just been much more hesistent to pursue that due to the rules.

plus their absence in ME2 and upgrade to spectre gives them more freedom to perhaps pursue the s/s relationship.

[Russalka]

You used the h-word, not I. I am just annoyed by people being overly sensitive about men flirting with men, or feeling implications of that over generic lines. Flirting happens.

Modifié par Russalka, 16 mai 2011 - 12:48 .

[Fault Girl]

Russalka wrote...

You used the h-word, not I. I am just annoyed by people being overly sensitive about men flirting with men, or feeling implications of that over generic lines. Flirting happens.

I agree with you but you must respect the fact that not everyone is comfortable with s/s relationships and that's their right in this day of age.

Modifié par ZombieGeisha, 16 mai 2011 - 12:50 .

[InvaderErl]

Russalka wrote...

, or feeling implications of that over generic lines.

The Fenris lines were pretty flirty. I'm not even complaining about it, but they were.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 16 mai 2011 - 12:52 .

[Barackus2]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Fenris does not come onto you if you do not show interest. And Anders is a needy person. Get over it.

Seeeeriously.

So he came onto you. Big whoop. Tell him "not interested" and take your damn rivalry points like a man. It's not a punishment. Not to mention Mass Effect doesn't even have friendship/rivalry.

Do you seriously want all characters to take absolutely no action whatsoever unless the player prompts them to? This is something I will never understand.
It makes them feel so much more alive if they flirt with you, lie to you, make up plans of their own without the player's help.

Yea I didn't have a problem with Fenris he was a new character in the series, and therefore he could be told however the writers chose him to be and his romance was very well handled, if all s/s romances are handled like this it is not a concern.  

Anders on the other hand is the example everyone is afraid to see.  The problem is you have an established character who in Awakening never leaned towards being gay and mentioned women all the time, suddenly in DA2 he is a needy bisexual.  This just cheapens the character for the sake of adding a romance and I HATE that, I despise it.  Anders was a cool character, now it may be because of all the other things that happened in DA2, but he is one of the worst characters I have ever seen, and I fear that Garrus/Jacob may become ruined like this because they want to throw in romance.  

I have less faith then some here who show tweets that show they it will be handled well by writers because we already have an example where they have taken an established character and cheapened him.  I was happy when there were no new romances announced, finally Shepard can focus on saving the galaxy instead of trying to get laid, I just do not understand how we can still have all these romanctic arcs in the last game!  This should be about bringing the end to everything not starting something new.  The relationships you have established since ME1 are all set in stone, why suddenly bring a hammer in ME3 and put cracks in the foundation?

They had the perfect chance to do this in ME2, you had a wide cast of characters who could have been used for the s/s romance, now just trying to shoehorn it in ME3 is too late and I don't know if it can be done well enough.  I hope so, but I have little to no faith for it.

[Ghost Warrior]

Clonedzero wrote...


i think kaidan and ashley are the two estalbished characters who could be convincingly bi as they actually have reasonable reasons why they might hide it from you till this point. the rest of the cast has no real reason to hide the fact that they were bi and attracted to you.

i mean the alliance has regs against straight people in the military being in relationships so s/s relationships would be the same way, they could have just been much more hesistent to pursue that due to the rules.

plus their absence in ME2 and upgrade to spectre gives them more freedom to perhaps pursue the s/s relationship.

I absolutely agree with that logic,but there are small things they said or done,the way they acted in ME1 that just make it impossible for me to see them as bisexual.

EDIT: one part of the game they were fugitives from Alliance,and they slept with opposite-sex Sheps,so regulation thing actually doesn't seem like a plausible reason when I think about it

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 16 mai 2011 - 12:55 .

[Astalder]

I have no issue with this, and am happy for those of you that were interested in this change.  I have one question, and one concern.

Question: I was under the impression there were no new romance options in ME3, so has it been confirmed that this change is with the pre-existing romance choices?  That leaves a lot of questions with implementation, does it have to be a fresh playthrough (maybe through the comic), will it be retroactive somehow...?

Concern: It will break my heart if this change is implemented as poorly as it has been in the Dragon Age games.  I want to still be able to have a real conversation with Garrus recounting old war stories and flings.  It will break ME3 for me if out of nowhere I suddently have the other half of my crew hitting on Shepard the moment I go looking for purely non-sexual dialog (i.e. the humourous Mordin dialog).  The dialog options for ME love interests have traditionally been pretty light beyond that specific story arc, thus the concern.

[Barackus2]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...


i think kaidan and ashley are the two estalbished characters who could be convincingly bi as they actually have reasonable reasons why they might hide it from you till this point. the rest of the cast has no real reason to hide the fact that they were bi and attracted to you.

i mean the alliance has regs against straight people in the military being in relationships so s/s relationships would be the same way, they could have just been much more hesistent to pursue that due to the rules.

plus their absence in ME2 and upgrade to spectre gives them more freedom to perhaps pursue the s/s relationship.

I absolutely agree with that logic,but there are small things they said or done,the way they acted in ME1 that just make it impossible for me to see them as bisexual.

I'm still against changing past characters, but this makes sense although with Ashley being very religious I don't know if it fits her character at all. 

[HolyMoogle]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

These are characters I can see as bisexual(others not one bit):
1. Liara (well she already is,but anyway)
2. Samara (every asari seems to be)
3. Thane (not every friendship is the same,and his with male Shep looks like something that could develop in something more)
4. Jack (mentioned that she was,doesn't mean she still is,but very possible)
5. Kasumi (because we know very little about her,and we have no real dialogues to indicate either way)
6. this one a huge maybe - Miranda (something about her,I can't quite explain it.I see her being a bi very unlikely but if VERY carefully done,I would find it...believable)

Garrus,Kaidan,Ashley and Jacob I can't see as bisexual people,without ruining their character.

Wrex,Zaeed,Mordin,Grunt and Legion I don't see as any kind of LI

And as for Tali,I dislike her in general so I never spent enough time with her in ME2 to have an opinion


And I already know what will some of you answer,that this is just my opinion and doesn't make it true. Right,but I am a great judge of character and I'm pretty sure my list makes a lot sense. Now you say "it makes sense to you,not for everyone" or something like that.

Anyway,I just wanted to say one more time that I'm not against S/S relationships in general,just against certain established characters being bisexual. That is all.

You seem to find news of bisexuality/homosexuality in male characters to be much more upsetting/likely to "ruin" their character than with females. Funny how that works, huh. No underlying preferences biasing viewpoints there.