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[M-Sinistrari]

Ryzaki wrote...

True. And my first conversation had Shepard telling him "there's nothing wrong with being friends with your commanding officer." and Kaidan was pretty "Eh...maybe." about it. So I didn't get the implication that they knew each other well before ME1 started. 

True. But just based on the way Shepar dtreats Kaidan and how Kaidan reacts to Shepard I don't see them talking much before the events of the game. Kaidan's too professional and distant when there's no need to be for me to buy it. 

Were they distant to the same people they considered close and personal friends? Friends that if lost would be like "losing a limb?" 

That's the whole issue to me. 

It's hard to describe the ground tier level tech environ.  Best I can come close to is this bizzare mix of cameraderie/hate/Aspberger's/eliteism with occasional bad hygene.  Overall, definitely not the crowd to cultivate strong friendships much less deep ones.  Still a fun crowd to get drunk with.

Though, mulling things over, I am wondering if it might be a generational thing with having a deep friendship since I don't really see it with the younger set, but more with people around my age and older.  Definitely something to ponder on.

And as was posted prior, deep guy friendships don't seem that common here in America, but as it says in the ME codex, cultures are merging and it's possible by that time that it is possible to have a deep friendship as a common thing.  Another factor to mull over is going through combat's a unique experience and likely to build stronger bonds than what we experience outside of that.

And there's also quite likely that since I've done so many Kaidan romances my mind just automatically fills in the gaps when I've got a manShep talking to him.

Overall, it does give us differing perspectives that neither are wrong.

[SennenScale]

Ryzaki wrote...
Or it would be better if his feelings fully developed after Shepard kicked the bucket. 2 years of angsting over a love lost. <3 Then right when he starts getting over it Shepard's all "how ya doing Kaidan?"  And the fact that he's treating Kaidan like some random dude on the street after he's been dead for 2 years and running around with Cerberus sets Kaidan off. 

Ooh, me like. Has some backbone to it.

*friend shows up back from the dead after two years working for terrorists*

"Shepard?"

*derp smile*"Oh hey dude. How's you?"

*Kaidan is not amused*

[1490]

SennenScale wrote...

@1490 It leaves an opening, definitely.

But I wonder what Kaidan would mention if they went the Tali route, where she says "How could I possibly harbor feelings for the dashing commander who saved me and made me part of his crew".

What would Kaidan's 'I had feelings right then but I didn't approach you because ____" moment be?

Well whenever Shepard asks for Kaiden's opinions in the first game, he either avoids talking about it to "avoid wasting the commander's time" or he wants to make sure it's "off the record."  I can see him worried about the rank and respect issue: he even was with femshep, but her dialogue is way more suggestive and open to him, so maybe that's why he was willing to pursue her and not manshep.

[JamesMoriarty123]

1490 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

1490 wrote...

@SennenScale

Don't even respond to him, he's just trying to stir up sh*t. If he doesn't like what Bioware puts in their games, he doesn't have to buy them.

One last thing, get off your soap box m8. People can be against things as well you know, and just because they are doesn't make their opinion any less valid. My input as a fan should be just as valid as your input as a fan.

The whole "don't buy it then" argument is moot. Would you be happy if that was the defacto response to everyone campaigning FOR s/s romance? No s/s romance guys, don't like it, don't buy it.

Lol. It's clowns like YOU that bring the discussion down.

I have no need to respond to unwarranted verbal attacks, but:

On the beginning of the thread:Sexist, vulgar, and other insulting comments and remarks as well as foul language will not be tolerated, and Users engaging in such language can expect an unhealthy dose of Banhammer. Remember the Site Rules

Doesn't matter what your opinion is, unwarranted verbal attacks on other members is against the site rules.  Deal with it and have a civil discussion or leave.

The default response for someone who cannot understand the word "debate". I know, I know, my opinion is opposite to yours, so I'm a troll/homophobe/etc/etc.

[javierabegazo]

@JamesMoriarty123

The childish remarks stops now. If you have a problem with another user, take it to PM, or PM a moderator about it, but leave it out of threads. Personal Attacks are not allowed.

[SennenScale]

1490 wrote...
Well whenever Shepard asks for Kaiden's opinions in the first game, he either avoids talking about it to "avoid wasting the commander's time" or he wants to make sure it's "off the record."  I can see him worried about the rank and respect issue: he even was with femshep, but her dialogue is way more suggestive and open to him, so maybe that's why he was willing to pursue her and not manshep.

And even with her, he still asks for clarification. "Do you get this personal with everyone?"

[M-Sinistrari]

1490 wrote...

Well whenever Shepard asks for Kaiden's opinions in the first game, he either avoids talking about it to "avoid wasting the commander's time" or he wants to make sure it's "off the record."  I can see him worried about the rank and respect issue: he even was with femshep, but her dialogue is way more suggestive and open to him, so maybe that's why he was willing to pursue her and not manshep.

That's about the best reasoning I can think of for it, just took him longer to open up which does make sense since he does say he proceeds carefully.

[Augoeides]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

1490 wrote...

@SennenScale

Don't even respond to him, he's just trying to stir up sh*t. If he doesn't like what Bioware puts in their games, he doesn't have to buy them.

One last thing, get off your soap box m8. People can be against things as well you know, and just because they are doesn't make their opinion any less valid. My input as a fan should be just as valid as your input as a fan.

The whole "don't buy it then" argument is moot. Would you be happy if that was the defacto response to everyone campaigning FOR s/s romance? No s/s romance guys, don't like it, don't buy it.

Lol. It's clowns like YOU that bring the discussion down.

EDITED for peacekeeping purposes.

That was an argument used against campaigners for s/s countless times. You talk about how awkward it would be for you without considering if it was awkward for others to have straight characters get 'too friendly' with their gay Shep.

Modifié par Augoeides, 19 mai 2011 - 08:12 .

[javierabegazo]

Responding to offensive remarks with equally offensive remarks only serves to fill up a thread with petty remarks instead of discussion. Please do not engage in such discourse or I'll have to dust off a certain hammer of mine.

[1490]

Ryzaki wrote...


I didn't approach you because you had a lot on your plate by thetime I realized how I felt?" 

Or it would be better if his feelings fully developed after Shepard kicked the bucket. 2 years of angsting over a love lost. <3 Then right when he starts getting over it Shepard's all "how ya doing Kaidan?"  And the fact that he's treating Kaidan like some random dude on the street after he's been dead for 2 years and running around with Cerberus sets Kaidan off. 

I think the way Shepard treated Kaiden in ME 1 can have a lot to do with it.  As a subordinate, Kaiden isn' t going to start showing affection toward his superior unless he/she shows it first.  Femshep has the option to show affection in the first game, but manshep not so much.  I think all of us have had crushes in real life (regardless of our sexuality), for whatever reason or other we said "I like this person, but I'm not going to pursue him/her unless he/she gives me a signal."

[ElitePinecone]

SennenScale wrote...
Mass Effect could use more sane people. More balanced relationship dynamics, please.. They'll be Shepard's rock instead of the other way around, for once.

THIS. By the Maker/Goddess/Protheans/Flying Spaghetti Monster, THIS!

Solving everyone's angst and personal problems neatly while exuding an ineffable air of confidence gets old after two games. 

I'd love to see Shepard be the one with the doubts, the stress and the trauma. Give us some visceral emotion instead of stocisim. The 'triumphant/defiant hero' face can't be kept up forever

It would tie incredibly well into the friendship and romance arcs. The conversation with Liara in LotSB - where Shepard could air their 'true feelings' about the situation - was excellent. 

[Ryzaki]

M-Sinistrari wrote...
It's hard to describe the ground tier level tech environ.  Best I can come close to is this bizzare mix of cameraderie/hate/Aspberger's/eliteism with occasional bad hygene.  Overall, definitely not the crowd to cultivate strong friendships much less deep ones.  Still a fun crowd to get drunk with.

Though, mulling things over, I am wondering if it might be a generational thing with having a deep friendship since I don't really see it with the younger set, but more with people around my age and older.  Definitely something to ponder on.

True. A good friendship that asts is something to be treasured. Sadly they seem more and more uncommon. 

And as was posted prior, deep guy friendships don't seem that common here in America, but as it says in the ME codex, cultures are merging and it's possible by that time that it is possible to have a deep friendship as a common thing.  Another factor to mull over is going through combat's a unique experience and likely to build stronger bonds than what we experience outside of that.

My whole issue with that is while Wrex and Garrus(and indeed everyone *else* on the crew) shows signs of this. (They're warmer to Shepard, Shepard's warmer to them) Kaidan...doesn't. Even in my county (america) guys are a lot warmer to each other when friends than Kaidan is to Shepard. Kaidan's just...lukewarm. This looks even worse when you compare it to the relationship Shepard has with Garrus and Wrex. And heck even with Grunt! Even Legion has his little "there was a hole." and "data unavailable." moments. 

And there's also quite likely that since I've done so many Kaidan romances my mind just automatically fills in the gaps when I've got a manShep talking to him.

Overall, it does give us differing perspectives that neither are wrong.

Yeah there's likely that. I don't do Kaidan's romance often at all so doing it leads to a lot of extra dialogue thatI didn't expect. 

That it does. 

[Augoeides]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SennenScale wrote...
Mass Effect could use more sane people. More balanced relationship dynamics, please.. They'll be Shepard's rock instead of the other way around, for once.

THIS. By the Maker/Goddess/Protheans/Flying Spaghetti Monster, THIS!

Solving everyone's angst and personal problems neatly while exuding an ineffable air of confidence gets old after two games. 

I'd love to see Shepard be the one with the doubts, the stress and the trauma. Give us some visceral emotion instead of stocisim. The 'triumphant/defiant hero' face can't be kept up forever

It would tie incredibly well into the friendship and romance arcs. The conversation with Liara in LotSB - where Shepard could air their 'true feelings' about the situation - was excellent. 

Shepard suffers from Miranda Priestly syndrome, especially if Renegade. xD

She needs her Andy Sachs, a young, nubile, aspiring journalist....

I think I just proposed Emily Wong and Punching Bag as lesbian romances.... xD

[CroGamer002]

SennenScale wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Abispa wrote...
What's your persuasion if you romance LEGION?

Robosexual with a dash of selfcest, if you consider that he made your armor a part of him?

Heh, did you play Fallout: New Vegas? Fisto comes to mind.

Yep. T'was a hell of a surprise when he wanted to ...er...test it out.

Hilarious, too.

Why not test out Legion as well?

[Augoeides]

Mesina2 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Phaelducan wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Abispa wrote...
What's your persuasion if you romance LEGION?

Robosexual with a dash of selfcest, if you consider that he made your armor a part of him?

Heh, did you play Fallout: New Vegas? Fisto comes to mind.

Yep. T'was a hell of a surprise when he wanted to ...er...test it out.

Hilarious, too.

Why not test out Legion as well?

Modifications!?

[SennenScale]

Mesina2 wrote...
Why not test out Legion as well?

He'll just say "No data available" and I'll have to run off heartbroken with Fisto anyhow.

[Ryzaki]

SennenScale wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Or it would be better if his feelings fully developed after Shepard kicked the bucket. 2 years of angsting over a love lost. <3 Then right when he starts getting over it Shepard's all "how ya doing Kaidan?"  And the fact that he's treating Kaidan like some random dude on the street after he's been dead for 2 years and running around with Cerberus sets Kaidan off. 

Ooh, me like. Has some backbone to it.

*friend shows up back from the dead after two years working for terrorists*

"Shepard?"

*derp smile*"Oh hey dude. How's you?"

*Kaidan is not amused*

 
 It makes Horizon seem a bit more bearable now to me. 

1490 wrote...
I think the way Shepard treated Kaiden in ME 1 can have a lot to do with it.  As a subordinate, Kaiden isn' t going to start showing affection toward his superior unless he/she shows it first.  Femshep has the option to show affection in the first game, but manshep not so much.  I think all of us have had crushes in real life (regardless of our sexuality), for whatever reason or other we said "I like this person, but I'm not going to pursue him/her unless he/she gives me a signal."

Very true and sadly for Kaidan Dude Shep has a bit of a derp issue.  Kaidan's never gonna get that signal until he says something first. Either that or Shepard gains some IQ points. 

[1490]

Ryzaki wrote...
Very true and sadly for Kaidan Dude Shep has a bit of a derp issue.  Kaidan's never gonna get that signal until he says something first. Either that or Shepard gains some IQ points. 

Can't blame the guy with how his childhood went.  The only time he speaks up in school he gets a knife to his throat and ends up killing a guy, lol.  

[Ryzaki]

1490 wrote...
Can't blame the guy with how his childhood went.  The only time he speaks up in school he gets a knife to his throat and ends up killing a guy, lol.  

That is a good point. Maybe he's wary of Shepard's reaction? 

Still he really couldn't have said something like Joker's whole "we were YOUR team Commander." thing? Losing you was like losing a limb? Really? Overdramatic much. 

He doesn't even say anything cool like Garrus or Wrex. Garrus is all "You're alive? Awesome. Let's go kill things!" Wrex is all "Oh I knew you wouldn't stya dead long." only people who are all "OMG WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME!" is Ash and Kaidan. The two people in Shep's old crew who actually had an inkling of Shepard being alive.  (other than Liara). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 mai 2011 - 08:41 .

[1490]

Ryzaki wrote...

1490 wrote...
Can't blame the guy with how his childhood went.  The only time he speaks up in school he gets a knife to his throat and ends up killing a guy, lol.  

That is a good point. Maybe he's wary of Shepard's reaction? 

Still he really couldn't have said something like Joker's whole "we were YOUR team Commander." thing? Losing you was like losing a limb? Really? Overdramatic much. 

He doesn't even say anything cool like Garrus or Wrex. Garrus is all "You're alive? Awesome. Let's go kill things!" Wrex is all "Oh I knew you wouldn't stya dead long." only people who are all "OMG WHY DIDN'T YOU CALL ME!" is Ash and Kaidan. 

Maybe they wouldn't be so butthurt if they didn't have a huge crush on Shep and felt rejected like a high-schooler, haha.  Another avenue there!

Now I haven't seen anyone mention anything about the ME 2 peeps being same-sex options: Thane, Jacob, Miranda.  Then there was Samara (who we know is cool with chicks because she had a child with one), and Jack who straight up admits she digs chicks at one point.  Any possibility with any of these characters, or are people kind of "meh" about it compared to the ME 1 originals?

[SennenScale]

Well, I really liked the fact that Samara rejected you, though. Then again, if she rejects you in ME2 but you work for it in ME3, I think Bioware could make that a very satisfying payoff.

And no one could quibble over her being bisexual.

[Ryzaki]

1490 wrote...
Maybe they wouldn't be so butthurt if they didn't have a huge crush on Shep and felt rejected like a high-schooler, haha.  Another avenue there!

Now I haven't seen anyone mention anything about the ME 2 peeps being same-sex options: Thane, Jacob, Miranda.  Then there was Samara (who we know is cool with chicks because she had a child with one), and Jack who straight up admits she digs chicks at one point.  Any possibility with any of these characters, or are people kind of "meh" about it compared to the ME 1 originals?

 Point. 

I'm personally meh. Thane has Carth Syndrome (do not want), Jacob...is Jacob. Miranda would be awesome for a s/s LI actually. Samara already said her duty was more important. (I'd be meh if she suddenly changed her mind.) and Jack...well Jack's F*** OFF! Because my dude Shep didn't want to romance her permantely turned me off the character. 

I prefer the ME1 originals because they have more history with Shepard (and they're not as bat**** as the ME2 crew). 

Edit: That said I should head off to bead. It's pretty late. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 mai 2011 - 08:54 .

[1490]

Ryzaki wrote...

1490 wrote...
Maybe they wouldn't be so butthurt if they didn't have a huge crush on Shep and felt rejected like a high-schooler, haha.  Another avenue there!

Now I haven't seen anyone mention anything about the ME 2 peeps being same-sex options: Thane, Jacob, Miranda.  Then there was Samara (who we know is cool with chicks because she had a child with one), and Jack who straight up admits she digs chicks at one point.  Any possibility with any of these characters, or are people kind of "meh" about it compared to the ME 1 originals?

 Point. 

I'm personally meh. Thane has Carth Syndrome (do not want), Jacob...is Jacob. Miranda would be awesome for a s/s LI actually. Samara already said her duty was more important. (I'd be meh if she suddenly changed her mind.) and Jack...well Jack's F*** OFF! Because my dude Shep didn't want to romance her permantely turned me off the character. 

I prefer the ME1 originals because they have more history with Shepard (and they're not as bat**** as the ME2 crew). 

Edit: That said I should head off to bead. It's pretty late. 

G'night, nice talking!

[1490]

SennenScale wrote...

Well, I really liked the fact that Samara rejected you, though. Then again, if she rejects you in ME2 but you work for it in ME3, I think Bioware could make that a very satisfying payoff.

And no one could quibble over her being bisexual.

Well that's "just how Asari are," so yeah people can't complain about them by now if they are still playing the game, lol.  If you REALLY want to talk about an age difference though, Samara is around 30 times Sheps age! That's like a 90 year old dating a 3 year old, lol.  Jokes aside, I think that's one of the most likely "new" romances we could see.  I can't really see Thane becoming a same-sex option, same with Garrus although more likely than Thane.  Jacob has this "overwhelming respect" thing for Shepard that I could see turning into an attraction, but with how many people didn't like him, I doubt Bioware is going to try and associate bisexuality with something people had an extremely negative reaction too, lol.

[SilentNukee]

1490 wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

Well, I really liked the fact that Samara rejected you, though. Then again, if she rejects you in ME2 but you work for it in ME3, I think Bioware could make that a very satisfying payoff.

And no one could quibble over her being bisexual.

Well that's "just how Asari are," so yeah people can't complain about them by now if they are still playing the game, lol.  If you REALLY want to talk about an age difference though, Samara is around 30 times Sheps age! That's like a 90 year old dating a 3 year old, lol.  Jokes aside, I think that's one of the most likely "new" romances we could see.  I can't really see Thane becoming a same-sex option, same with Garrus although more likely than Thane.  Jacob has this "overwhelming respect" thing for Shepard that I could see turning into an attraction, but with how many people didn't like him, I doubt Bioware is going to try and associate bisexuality with something people had an extremely negative reaction too, lol.

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 19 mai 2011 - 09:14 .