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[SennenScale]

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I would jump for joy with that setup.

Especially Tali. I have a FemShep set aside for her just in case it happens and Garrus's romance was about as accident-proof as you can get.

[SilentNukee]

SennenScale wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I would jump for joy with that setup.

Especially Tali. I have a FemShep set aside for her just in case it happens and Garrus's romance was about as accident-proof as you can get.

Hehe, here's hoping for Tali too!  <3

[1490]

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I'd probably agree with you there. I think Tali had such an incredibly high demand for a s/s (from a lot of female players no less, not just fanboys that enjoy that type of thing) so yeah they'll probably toss in Garrus too.

[JamesMoriarty123]

1490 wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I'd probably agree with you there. I think Tali had such an incredibly high demand for a s/s (from a lot of female players no less, not just fanboys that enjoy that type of thing) so yeah they'll probably toss in Garrus too.

See, that is the OPPOSITE of what should happen. You basically turned the WHOLE cast gay right there. Not a chance.

Tali and Garrus were brought in as straight romances, no doubt that will continue. Hopefully it wil be the new guy + Liara, THAT is the ideal setup in a world that actually considers the desires of more than a forum focus group. You might get Kaiden/Ash, but I really hope not.

It's also a strange, strange world where there's more discussion over who you can and can't smooch with than actual gameplay, design and storyline, I mean, it's an Action-RPG (because it has action in it, not because it's a Diablo clone) not a damn romance simulator!

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 19 mai 2011 - 09:49 .

[Saeran]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
See, that is the OPPOSITE of what should happen. You basically turned the WHOLE cast gay right there. Not a chance.

Tali and Garrus were brought in as straight romances, no doubt that will continue. Hopefully it wil be the new guy + Liara, THAT is the ideal setup in a world that actually considers the desires of more than a forum focus group. You might get Kaiden/Ash, but I really hope not.

It's also a strange, strange world where there's more discussion over who you can and can't smooch with than actual gameplay, design and storyline, I mean, it's an Action-RPG (because it has action in it, not because it's a Diablo clone) not a damn romance simulator!

And yet here you are, bumping the thread over and over again with your opinion on the matter. Which is fine, after all it is your opinion.

And personally I agree with the Tali and Garrus thing, although I don't think they should of been romances in the first place. But some people believed they should and BioWare agreed! Which is fine, that's how they decided to make it happen.

On topic: On the James Vega thing, I need to see pics before I deem him a better option than Kaidan.

Modifié par Saeran, 19 mai 2011 - 09:59 .

[Wittand25]

1490 wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I'd probably agree with you there. I think Tali had such an incredibly high demand for a s/s (from a lot of female players no less, not just fanboys that enjoy that type of thing) so yeah they'll probably toss in Garrus too.

The problem is that there is little time between ME2 and ME3. So there should be a rather big difference between a carry over romance and a new romance for Garrus and Tali. The relationship with the VS ended nearly three years ago and will require a lot of rebonding anyway so that apart from the romance-start and the culmination dialog basically the same lines can be used for Shepards who did romance the VS in ME1 and those who did not.

[InvincibleHero]

Well I'm hoping there will be more variety in the heterosexual LIs. I don't think there will be though.

I could not get any interest in Tali with male Shepard nor Jack which meant Miranda was basically it. Liara and Ashley from ME1 too.

With my fem sheps it was Kaiden from ME1 maybe Liara in one playthrough and just Jacob in ME2. Sorry I can't imagine finding Garrus and Thane compatible/attractive with humans defibnitely. Not knocking on those that choose to.

Well what I would like is maybe not full-blown romances but possible liasons with various NPCs. This can be for both hetero and s/s. It shouldn't take much to add say a blonde or redhead f/m or Asian f/m somewhere. It would add some flavor to give more options for people. Think the one NPC in Fallout 2 you could actually have a "shotgun" wedding with. LOL.

[SilentNukee]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

1490 wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I'd probably agree with you there. I think Tali had such an incredibly high demand for a s/s (from a lot of female players no less, not just fanboys that enjoy that type of thing) so yeah they'll probably toss in Garrus too.

See, that is the OPPOSITE of what should happen. You basically turned the WHOLE cast gay right there. Not a chance.

Tali and Garrus were brought in as straight romances, no doubt that will continue. Hopefully it wil be the new guy + Liara, THAT is the ideal setup in a world that actually considers the desires of more than a forum focus group. You might get Kaiden/Ash, but I really hope not.

It's also a strange, strange world where there's more discussion over who you can and can't smooch with than actual gameplay, design and storyline, I mean, it's an Action-RPG (because it has action in it, not because it's a Diablo clone) not a damn romance simulator!

Yes, because, you know, 1-2 option s/s romances for either male or female Shep are ALL the squadmates. (Since you know, there's a total of ...15 squaddies between ME 1 and 2?) ...Right. <_< Tali shows a clear interest in FemShep, I wouldn't know about ManShep and Garrus though. But I can't see them opening the option for just one and not the other.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 19 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[SennenScale]

EDIT:Alright, I'll play fair. I still think it is telling, though.

Sorry. Irritation got the better of me.

Modifié par SennenScale, 19 mai 2011 - 10:43 .

[BrandNewMan]

I've recently found myself not being quite so sure about s/s romances with previous LI's. Yes, while none of them outright denied possible attraction toward the same sex, and Bioware could easily write in explinations as to why they weren't open to it before, it's quite clear what Bioware's intention for these characters were. I'm also not so sure about Joker. Let's say he becomes a s/s LI. Was his orientation made that way simply to exist as a s/s LI?

Feel free to object to anything I said, as I'm not quite sure how I feel about it myself.

[FenrisDeSolar]

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I would settle for this, if James Vega and some other chick were also made bi, or exclusively homosexual.

But as I said WAY back in this thread (page 60 or something) I want all the aliens to be bi. They're already crossing the species barrier -- I don't think gender would be much of an issue.

EDIT: Forgot to mention Joker. Joker could replace James Vega as a male s/s LI. I love Joker and I have two Shepards -- one male, one female -- saved for him.

Modifié par FenrisDeSolar, 19 mai 2011 - 10:39 .

[FenrisDeSolar]

@SennenScale, those screenshots are both inappropriate and irrelevant. This is not a competition of who is worse, or better for the matter.

Can we take a step back and try to maintain some kind of decorum?

This, btw, is aimed at everyone.

[Augoeides]

BrandNewMan wrote...

I've recently found myself not being quite so sure about s/s romances with previous LI's. Yes, while none of them outright denied possible attraction toward the same sex, and Bioware could easily write in explinations as to why they weren't open to it before, it's quite clear what Bioware's intention for these characters were. I'm also not so sure about Joker. Let's say he becomes a s/s LI. Was his orientation made that way simply to exist as a s/s LI?

Feel free to object to anything I said, as I'm not quite sure how I feel about it myself.

I think to determine Bioware's we need to look at each character individually, and I would say where there was cut s/s content regarding a character Bioware's intention is murky given the responses as to why the content was cut. I think in the cases where no content was cut (that can be found) Bioware's intention is pretty clear (disregarding tonality and in-game dialogue which may suggest otherwise, for the sake of that ALWAYS being a game of interpretation).

To give a realistic example:

Kaidan: Murky
Garrus: Clear

On the issue of Joker, no matter what Bioware says or does (if he becomes a romance to one or both genders) the various communities in opposition to that decision will contrive various reasons to construe the actions as pandering to one demographic over another. Now, this argument exsists for all thing in Mass Effect, someone will make this argument about everything BUT I think in the case of Joker, where his sexuality is largely unknown (unless you include the the bit where he's watching what we can assume to be either straight, lesbian or bisexual porn, and the presence of a woman's moans in porn really does not offer any real insight into what kind of porn it was... could have been a shemale for all we know!) it will feel tacked on (at this point in the trilogy in light of recent discussion) even if his sexuality and/or romance had been planned from ME1.

[SennenScale]

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

I would settle for this, if James Vega and some other chick were also made bi, or exclusively homosexual.

But as I said WAY back in this thread (page 60 or something) I want all the aliens to be bi. They're already crossing the species barrier -- I don't think gender would be much of an issue.

EDIT: Forgot to mention Joker. Joker could replace James Vega as a male s/s LI. I love Joker and I have two Shepards -- one male, one female -- saved for him.

I'd be happy with that as well. With the VS, Vega, and Liara, that's enough squadmates to make sure no one can completely screw up up import with cameo squadmates, but I think they'd add at least one new one.

What would you like to see in a new female squadmate? I voted turian female a while back myself.

[Ziggy]

SennenScale wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

I think it's going to be: Ashley/Kaidan, Liara (She already is), Tali, Garrus (Because if Tali becomes a s/s LI, the male community is going to want Garrus to be an option too and it would seem unfair to them if it was just Tali.) ...I don't see Jacob/Miranda, but maybe. No one else, though.

I would jump for joy with that setup.

Especially Tali. I have a FemShep set aside for her just in case it happens and Garrus's romance was about as accident-proof as you can get.

Me too! Especially Ashley  though Tali is cute too

[Capt_Flashheart]

BrandNewMan wrote...
I've recently found myself not being quite so sure about s/s romances with previous LI's. Yes, while none of them outright denied possible attraction toward the same sex, and Bioware could easily write in explinations as to why they weren't open to it before, it's quite clear what Bioware's intention for these characters were. I'm also not so sure about Joker. Let's say he becomes a s/s LI. Was his orientation made that way simply to exist as a s/s LI?
Feel free to object to anything I said, as I'm not quite sure how I feel about it myself.

I think the reason this issue blew out of proportion awhile ago was that people who where initially indifferent became worried that their favourite LI/buddy would now become bisexual (which I imagine could feel pretty estranging to fans heavily invested in characters whom they view inside and out as straight). I've seen so many people out there singing to the tune of  I'm ok with s/s romances and bi's...so long as they aren't returning LI's.

As for a s/s Joker romance, I don't know how to feel about it either. It remains a theoretical concept in my head that I can't quite visualise. I guess you could say I can't see it happening, but I'm not opposed to it at the moment.

[ElitePinecone]

I can't see a Garrus-mance with maleShep happening, to be honest.

The rage would be absurdly huge. Picture the last week or so of the BSN forums times ten. A fair proportion of the "OMG GARRUS IS MY BRO" player base would react to this extremely badly, I'd tend to think. By 'extremely badly', I mean spamming the forum with the fury of a thousand misspelled tirades against Bioware for ruining their perfect alien bro.

There was enough disquiet over Anders' being an m/m in DA2 (and despite loving the romance personally, I did find it a stretch of his Awakening persona), and Awakening had a comparatively small base of players - who may not have necessarily been as rabid - when we look at ME2 and fans of Garrus.

It's not that I don't think it could be well written - as someone said above, crossing the species barrier is far bigger than gender within species - but I can see why Bioware wouldn't go near a Garrus m/m romance, and I wouldn't blame them for backing away from that option entirely.

As much as it would be great, it's (by my count) the number one caveat that many are placing on their support of S/S. That is, "I support S/S *but* I don't want DUDEBRO GARRUS to catch teh ghey". There seems to be comparatively fewer complaints about Ashley and Kaidan (particularly Kaidan )

[FenrisDeSolar]

SennenScale wrote...


I'd be happy with that as well. With the VS, Vega, and Liara, that's enough squadmates to make sure no one can completely screw up up import with cameo squadmates, but I think they'd add at least one new one.

What would you like to see in a new female squadmate? I voted turian female a while back myself.

I would very much like a turian female for s/s romance. I for one happen to like turians. I might not be about to bang one IRL, but this is an RPG, no? If I can s/s screw practically any asari, I want the same with turians, drell and quarians.

So a s/s alien romance would be very welcome in my eyes.

[GameBoyish]

Siansonea II wrote...

Shepard's Pre-Defined Personality™ (as imagined by many)

Opposite-sex human: Yes please!
Asari: Yes please!
Opposite-sex turian: Yes please!
Opposite-sex quarian: Yes please!
Opposite-sex drell: Yes please!
Same-sex human: Y—wait, what? Uhhhh. Gross. Wait—am I a chick? Then, okay. Dance for me Kelly!

Lol so true.

NEVER heard a complaints about lesbian contents. Just "teh gay" and "gayness" bothering some people <_<

[sevalaricgirl]

Valcutio wrote...

After discussing this with other gamers, I'm wondering if this is just the first step that ME3 is taking on the road to failure that DA2 took. I've tried to stay optimistic about Bioware but announcements that the ME series is trying to be like the DA series is just bad.

With that being said, If Bioware is Hellbent on doing this then they need to leave current characters alone and introduce new characters to appease the small percentage of ppl that want this.

I agree with the other gamers.  I'm not preordering the game now because if Ash/Kaidan are bi, I'm not buying it and two copies come into this home all the time.  Those two copies won't be in my home.  I may be of the small proportion on this forum but I am in the large proportion of the gaming market.  New characters bi is fine, established characters bi is not and also the Kaidan/Horizon/after Horizon writing is poor and lazy.  It was written for femShep and they didn't bother to change it for manShep.  It's almost exactly what Ashley does/says if she is on Horizon.  That is poor writing no matter what the supporters say.  Bioware expected that male gamers would save Ashley and female gamers would save Kaidan.  Plain and simple.

People who support bi/gay Kaidan can suck it and go ahead and bash me.  I really don't care.  I'm only posting because my son brought this to my attention. 

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 19 mai 2011 - 12:26 .

[M-Sinistrari]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...
I think the reason this issue blew out of proportion awhile ago was that people who where initially indifferent became worried that their favourite LI/buddy would now become bisexual (which I imagine could feel pretty estranging to fans heavily invested in characters whom they view inside and out as straight). I've seen so many people out there singing to the tune of  I'm ok with s/s romances and bi's...so long as they aren't returning LI's.

As for a s/s Joker romance, I don't know how to feel about it either. It remains a theoretical concept in my head that I can't quite visualise. I guess you could say I can't see it happening, but I'm not opposed to it at the moment.

I had commented along these lines somewhere buried several pages ago.  There does seem to be less outrage over a new character being made bi/gay compared to the outcry against established LIs becoming so.  For all we know that might end up being the comprimise that I think's going to be needed to not affect sales while still providing more options.

[JamesMoriarty123]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I can't see a Garrus-mance with maleShep happening, to be honest.

The rage would be absurdly huge. Picture the last week or so of the BSN forums times ten. A fair proportion of the "OMG GARRUS IS MY BRO" player base would react to this extremely badly, I'd tend to think. By 'extremely badly', I mean spamming the forum with the fury of a thousand misspelled tirades against Bioware for ruining their perfect alien bro.

This. It would be like having your best buddy ask you for a shag. No way man, Garrus is Shepherd's broheem, change him, ruin the game.

Also, I mean come on, stop trying to construe meanings into character backstories. 9/10 times it's as simple as it sounds. Garrus tells you a story of a FEMALE old flame, so he's straight. If I tell a guy I work with about an old girlfriend he doesn't jump to the conclusion I'm Bi or Gay, he assumes (and correctly so) that I'm straight. Kaiden is the same.

EDIT :- To ElitePinecone, I think that person is so peeved because any come on immediately ruins the character, thats it, they want your ass. If the initiative lay with Shepherd at all times, like not even a flirtatious dialogue, completely platonic unless Shep INITIATED, I'd be a **** ton happier. As then you wouldn't have the come on, you could just not initiate, which is ideal tbh as then you know where YOUR Shep stands and can continue without viewing your buddies as gay types.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 19 mai 2011 - 12:41 .

[ElitePinecone]

Edit: This was a reply to sevalaricgirl

So you'll ragequit and leave the epic conclusion solely because more options are opened up for other people that you never have to participate in?

With respect, that seems extraordinarily petty.

There's no way you can turn down one or two lines of dialogue and get on with the rest of a 40-hour game that's been four years and 80 hours of ME/ME2 in the making? Does your disgust run that deep?

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 19 mai 2011 - 12:37 .

[SilentNukee]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

After discussing this with other gamers, I'm wondering if this is just the first step that ME3 is taking on the road to failure that DA2 took. I've tried to stay optimistic about Bioware but announcements that the ME series is trying to be like the DA series is just bad.

With that being said, If Bioware is Hellbent on doing this then they need to leave current characters alone and introduce new characters to appease the small percentage of ppl that want this.

I agree with the other gamers.  I'm not preordering the game now because if Ash/Kaidan are bi, I'm not buying it and two copies come into this home all the time.  Those two copies won't be in my home.  I may be of the small proportion on this forum but I am in the large proportion of the gaming market.  New characters bi is fine, established characters bi is not and also the Kaidan/Horizon/after Horizon writing is poor and lazy.  It was written for femShep and they didn't bother to change it for manShep.  It's almost exactly what Ashley does/says if she is on Horizon.  That is poor writing no matter what the supporters say.  Bioware expected that male gamers would save Ashley and female gamers would save Kaidan.  Plain and simple.

People who support bi/gay Kaidan can suck it and go ahead and bash me.  I really don't care.  I'm only posting because my son brought this to my attention. 

And you're a parent? You still have some growing up to do. I'm sorry to say, but these are the facts of life. ME1 and ME2 both had s/s romances planned, they just had to cut them out because of time constraints. (See other posts.) I'm sure you will grab ME3 the moment it comes out. BioWare games are known to include s/s romance, it's about time ME did as well. Did that ruin their gameplay experiences? No, because you can choose not to be involved at all. (And don't bring DA2 into this, sure their romances we're...not as detailed, but you obviously could escape it if you didn't choose the damn heart option.)

Modifié par SilentNukee, 19 mai 2011 - 12:42 .

[HolyMoogle]

This thread was so much fun for a few pages, now a certain poster or three who shall remain nameless but have trolled it frequently have come back.

Come on everybody else, can we just completely ignore them, pretend they're not even here, and continue on as we were?

It's better than the mods having to come along and shout at everybody because the trolls have decided they don't like us discussing S/S romances and want to stir **** up for no reason. Just mark for moderation the comments that need to be, and other than that, pretend they don't even exist

Modifié par HolyMoogle, 19 mai 2011 - 12:49 .