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[Cootie]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I agree with the other gamers.  I'm not preordering the game now because if Ash/Kaidan are bi, I'm not buying it and two copies come into this home all the time.  Those two copies won't be in my home.  I may be of the small proportion on this forum but I am in the large proportion of the gaming market.  New characters bi is fine, established characters bi is not and also the Kaidan/Horizon/after Horizon writing is poor and lazy.  It was written for femShep and they didn't bother to change it for manShep.  It's almost exactly what Ashley does/says if she is on Horizon.  That is poor writing no matter what the supporters say.  Bioware expected that male gamers would save Ashley and female gamers would save Kaidan.  Plain and simple.

People who support bi/gay Kaidan can suck it and go ahead and bash me.  I really don't care.  I'm only posting because my son brought this to my attention. 

Soooo, let's say that you were at a party, and there is a table filled with awesome, amazing snacks! And you can eat from each of the candy bowls. Yum-yum.
Then the hostess brings out another bowl, filled with the same kind of yummy goodies. Mhm.
Except you don't like the contents of that bowl. It's quite yucky, actually, on second thought.

So you leave the party in anger, because the hostess brought a bowl of those extra-ordinarily awful crisps to the table.

Yes, that's you. Right there. The angry one.

Edit:
And they've got friggin' GYROBOWLS, man!
DARK MAGIC. O_O
You can't beat that!

Modifié par Cootie, 19 mai 2011 - 12:49 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

HolyMoogle wrote...

This thread was so much fun for a few
pages, now a certain poster or three who shall remain nameless but have
trolled it frequently have come back.

Come on everybody else, can we just completely ignore them, pretend they're not even here, and continue on as we were?

It's
better than the mods having to come along and shout at everybody
because the trolls have decided they don't like us discussing S/S
romances and want to stir **** up for no reason.

Yes, ignoring other peoples opinions is a perfectly acceptable thing to do when they differ from yours, despite the fact their posts have been concise and non-agressive, simply discussing the possibilities and ways that it could work for all involved.

Ironically it's posts like this that stir the most crap, leave it out eh?

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 19 mai 2011 - 12:49 .

[Centauri2002]

Wittand25 wrote...
The problem is that there is little time between ME2 and ME3. So there should be a rather big difference between a carry over romance and a new romance for Garrus and Tali. The relationship with the VS ended nearly three years ago and will require a lot of rebonding anyway so that apart from the romance-start and the culmination dialog basically the same lines can be used for Shepards who did romance the VS in ME1 and those who did not.

Actually, this is a very good point and one that people have seemed to miss so it deserves quoting. It's also something I hadn't thought about until now. With ME3 basically picking up very shortly after Arrival, it doesn't give much room for any believable changes in character since ME2. Now, if it's written well, a hidden attraction for Shepard could be explained but I think it's safer to stick with the more believable options. 

As Wittand mentioned, the VS is probably best suited to this out of the majority of the existing characters as you've been separated from them for years anyway. Everyone's going to have to go through some rebonding with them so it makes sense.

[Cootie]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Yes, ignoring other peoples opinions is a perfectly acceptable thing to do when they differ from yours, despite the fact their posts have been concise and non-agressive, simply discussing the possibilities and ways that it could work for all involved.

Ironically it's posts like this that stir the most crap, leave it out eh?

I think the irony is that you take it for granted that the characters find your Shepard desireable. I mean, with all due respect, I do think Bioware will be careful enough to make you initiate the romance, not the other way around.
Especially with s/s, since after the Anders-controversy it has become a touchy subject to some.

You're claiming that "come on, they want your bum" basically, while it's most probably up to Shepard to initiate said bum-wanting.

[HolyMoogle]

I kinda want to hear more of that Conrad Verner in a pink apron with a lunchbox tangent from Augoeides. If he's as nuts as I think he is, I smell a sidequest

Also, Fishnchips from the trailer. Definitely needs to be a romance option of some kind.

EDIT: A strange , unexplained gust of hot air just reminded me to point out that most posts have been around why having a gay/bi Shepard is a retcon, how everything is a retcon, how Bioware are crumbling under some kind of nefarious agenda, all in the most long-winded and user-insulting way possible. Funny

Modifié par HolyMoogle, 19 mai 2011 - 12:57 .

[jlb524]

@centauri

It also makes sense b/c I believe the VS will get more screen time and dev than Tali/Garrus.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 mai 2011 - 12:53 .

[ElitePinecone]

centauri2002 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...
The problem is that there is little time between ME2 and ME3. So there should be a rather big difference between a carry over romance and a new romance for Garrus and Tali. The relationship with the VS ended nearly three years ago and will require a lot of rebonding anyway so that apart from the romance-start and the culmination dialog basically the same lines can be used for Shepards who did romance the VS in ME1 and those who did not.

Actually, this is a very good point and one that people have seemed to miss so it deserves quoting. It's also something I hadn't thought about until now. With ME3 basically picking up very shortly after Arrival, it doesn't give much room for any believable changes in character since ME2. Now, if it's written well, a hidden attraction for Shepard could be explained but I think it's safer to stick with the more believable options. 

As Wittand mentioned, the VS is probably best suited to this out of the majority of the existing characters as you've been separated from them for years anyway. Everyone's going to have to go through some rebonding with them so it makes sense.

That's pretty much my reasoning also. New characters or the VS both sound like great options. ME2 squadmates would be rather difficult to write believably. 

[sevalaricgirl]

SilentNukee wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

After discussing this with other gamers, I'm wondering if this is just the first step that ME3 is taking on the road to failure that DA2 took. I've tried to stay optimistic about Bioware but announcements that the ME series is trying to be like the DA series is just bad.

With that being said, If Bioware is Hellbent on doing this then they need to leave current characters alone and introduce new characters to appease the small percentage of ppl that want this.

I agree with the other gamers.  I'm not preordering the game now because if Ash/Kaidan are bi, I'm not buying it and two copies come into this home all the time.  Those two copies won't be in my home.  I may be of the small proportion on this forum but I am in the large proportion of the gaming market.  New characters bi is fine, established characters bi is not and also the Kaidan/Horizon/after Horizon writing is poor and lazy.  It was written for femShep and they didn't bother to change it for manShep.  It's almost exactly what Ashley does/says if she is on Horizon.  That is poor writing no matter what the supporters say.  Bioware expected that male gamers would save Ashley and female gamers would save Kaidan.  Plain and simple.

People who support bi/gay Kaidan can suck it and go ahead and bash me.  I really don't care.  I'm only posting because my son brought this to my attention. 

And you're a parent? You still have some growing up to do. I'm sorry to say, but these are the facts of life. ME1 and ME2 both had s/s romances planned, they just had to cut them out because of time constraints. (See other posts.) I'm sure you will grab ME3 the moment it comes out. BioWare games are known to include s/s romance, it's about time ME did as well. Did that ruin their gameplay experiences? No, because you can choose not to be involved at all. (And don't bring DA2 into this, sure their romances we're...not as detailed, but you obviously could escape it if you didn't choose the damn heart option.)

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I am a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance (we were heavily involved and almost purchased the ring) with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind my back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 19 mai 2011 - 01:00 .

[Cootie]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I an a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind me back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

See, now, what you are doing is lashing out furiously with your fists. That is not a mature thing to do. Surely, the attack regarding parenting was not mature, either, but ah...

The one who judges everyone sees judges everywhere.
When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.

I would not say that you need to grow up, because that would be me simplifying the situation. What you need to do is to think logically and rationally, have some tea and form an opinion that is not based around anger.
Because that is what you make it sound like.
Return once you have had a good think about it, yes?

Right now you sound very, very biased and the example you brought up does nothing to help your case. If we are to have a discussion, you will need to rise to our wavelength.

[Centauri2002]

sevalaricgirl wrote...
I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I an a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind me back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

Let's leave the personal references out of this thread, everyone. Please.

Will all due respect, sevalaricgirl, there will be no hint of bisexuality or gay in your existing relationship. It's not as if your LI is going to go off and flirt with anyone else. He's loyal to you. It also doesn't make him bisexual for you either. They're all Shepard-sexual anyway. They barely ever show interest in anyone else.

However, I can understand your discomfort because of your personal experiences but I shall not comment further on those since it is personal. I'll just say that what you experienced will not happen in this game. 

I think the simplest compromise will be for new LIs to be bisexual and leave it at that. At the moment, we have no information on this so let's just wait and see what BioWare do with it. 

[sevalaricgirl]

Cootie wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I an a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind me back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

See, now, what you are doing is lashing out furiously with your fists. That is not a mature thing to do. Surely, the attack regarding parenting was not mature, either, but ah...

The one who judges everyone sees judges everywhere.
When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.

I would not say that you need to grow up, because that would be me simplifying the situation. What you need to do is to think logically and rationally, have some tea and form an opinion that is not based around anger.
Because that is what you make it sound like.
Return once you have had a good think about it, yes?

Right now you sound very, very biased and the example you brought up does nothing to help your case. If we are to have a discussion, you will need to rise to our wavelength.

I am very biased but it has nothing to do with ME having new characters be bi/gay only with retconning established characters into that role and hell yes, I'm going to be angry when someone questions my parenting and they don't know anything about me other than what they perceive. Wouldn't you be?  As for thinking logically and rationally, I am but I have a lot of hours invested in the ME series and I was so looking forward to ME3.  I am now not looking forward to it.  I guess that is where my problem lies.  I loved DAO and didn't mind that Zev and Lelianna were bi, not at all, because it was done well.  DA2 was not done well.  I'm afraid that the ME team will go the route of DA2.  Believe it or not, I'm not the only one who feels this way.  They just aren't on this forum though there are many who are on this forum who feel like I do.  Does that sound logical enough for you.

[DrBobcat]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

EDIT :- To ElitePinecone, I think that person is so peeved because any come on immediately ruins the character, thats it, they want your ass. If the initiative lay with Shepherd at all times, like not even a flirtatious dialogue, completely platonic unless Shep INITIATED, I'd be a **** ton happier. As then you wouldn't have the come on, you could just not initiate, which is ideal tbh as then you know where YOUR Shep stands and can continue without viewing your buddies as gay types.

As people already know, I support Garrus as a m/m option in ME3. However, I would want this only if it was written well and if it was initiated entirely by Shepard. I realize how sensitive of an issue this is for some and I think it would be wrong to put any player in such an uncomfortable position. Yet, I still believe Bioware could write two different relationship paths: one for friendship and another for romance. Assuming all the dialogue options are clear in their intent and do not overlap in any way, everybody wins.

Also, to be clear, I am not arguing that Garrus should be a m/m option but merely that he could. And I want to emphasize that if it cannot be conveyed in a believable manner, they shouldn't even bother. It's just that, unlike a lot of people here, I trust that Bioware could pull it off if they took the effort to do so.

I know the odds are stacked against me. Hell, I'm willing to admit that Garrus is probably the least likely candidate for this sort of thing. Even so, I'll continue to wave my little blue flag of hope until it is proven that this will not happen. That's all I can do at this point.

P.S. Thank you for relaxing your views some. A willingness to compromise and honestly consider other people's viewpoints is something this discussion could use more of.

[Cootie]

I don't know how the Tali-romance works, but I hear a lot of people talking about her and saying that they could not romance her, because she was like a sister to their Shepards and it would be weird.

How did that work in-game?
I mean, can't the same logic be applied to Garrus if he had been an s/s-option?
"I didn't romance Garrus 'cause he's my bro" and so forth?

[FenrisDeSolar]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I am a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind me back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

Age does not define maturity. That's an immature stand-point to take to begin with. You being an author does not guarantee you wisdom; including homosexual relationship in your book is commendable, but it still does not exempt you from being unfair in this matter. Kaidan/Ashley were intended as bisexual to begin with. They were retconned before the game even began. They were retconned even worse in ME2 (derpy Horizon moment,) as were Tali, Garrus, Wrex and Liara. ALL ME1 crew were significantly changed in ME2, yet sexuality is the only matter people give a **** about. Change appearance, change attitude, change hopes, desires and values but *gasp* you can't change their sexuality!

If you've already decided not to buy the game, there is no point in posting here. You've made up your mind, no?

In order for it to be obvious that all LI's in DA2 were bi, you would need to play the game twice, with a male and a female character, or you would only experience on dimension of a characters sexuality. There are more than 3% of people who want this content. Where the hell did you stats come from? Yes, everyone here is going to say what they like and what they want, just like you have already done.

I find it hard to believe that your son will be more accepting than you, if he told you about this thread, and your response was to write a semi-snarky threat about boycotting the game. I'm sorry to hear about what that guy did to you. Something similar happened to me once, so I know how that feels. However, that is a flaw in his character and it has absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality.

Sexuality is *not* personality.

And finally, you won't have it in your relationship unless you pursue that route. I find it unlikely that even a bisexual Kaidan will start talking about his homosexual adventures on the citadel while your Shepard rested in pieces. I think you and I both know that Kaidan has more tact than that. By all points and purposes he will be as straight as he was when you first romanced him. Kaidan is also a bunch of pixels, and it's highly unlikely that he will cheat on you with a man, my dear.

Perhaps you ought to give that some thought before you judge an unreleased games, with unannounced LI's?

You can write a good enough post that I believe you capable of reason. Just take a moment and think.

[IndelibleJester]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I am a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance (we were heavily involved and almost purchased the ring) with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind my back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

Get over yourself. If you don't mind if there's a gay option, then what's the issue? Why are you ranting? I've never seen Bioware suddenly make someone gay in the middle of a relationship, period - and besides, people don't just turn gay. As long as the door was never shut in the first place, it's always open.

FenrisDeSolar wrote...
In order for it to be obvious that all LI's in DA2 were bi, you would need to play the game twice, with a male and a female character, or you would only experience on dimension of a characters sexuality. 

I just wanted to point out that if you pay attention, playing a male Hawke, almost all characters are bisexual. Not as obvious for female Hawke.
Fenris conversation with Isabela, Anders conversation with Isabela, Isabela go obvious.

Modifié par IndelibleJester, 19 mai 2011 - 01:19 .

[Cootie]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I am very biased but it has nothing to do with ME having new characters be bi/gay only with retconning established characters into that role and hell yes, I'm going to be angry when someone questions my parenting and they don't know anything about me other than what they perceive. Wouldn't you be?  As for thinking logically and rationally, I am but I have a lot of hours invested in the ME series and I was so looking forward to ME3.  I am now not looking forward to it.  I guess that is where my problem lies.  I loved DAO and didn't mind that Zev and Lelianna were bi, not at all, because it was done well.  DA2 was not done well.  I'm afraid that the ME team will go the route of DA2.  Believe it or not, I'm not the only one who feels this way.  They just aren't on this forum though there are many who are on this forum who feel like I do.  Does that sound logical enough for you.

Frankly, no, it does not.
Those are a lot of assumptions in one post. You are jumping to conclusions, and you sound like you are in a state of panic.
And to answer your question, no, I would not be. There is a difference between being offended by people making lots of assumptions and well, not being offended.
Assumptions, assumptions everywhere.

You sound as though every assumption has a hint of truth within it, and must stop of halt such things. Like the hint at parenting? I'm sure you are a good parent, but right now you are being hasty.
Take a step back and look at the situation, really look at it. Once you have collected all of the facts, try to present your opinion in a calm, rational manner. It is how the internet works.

You are assuming that homosexual romances in ME-3 will be done badly. Consider instead how it could be done well, and present your opinion on that.
Go, go! Looking forward to the sensible you.

Modifié par Cootie, 19 mai 2011 - 01:15 .

[ElitePinecone]

@JamesMoriarty123

I just saw this edited post, and I mostly agree with this.

Advances by squadmates can always be awkward or difficult to spot until it's too late and a romance is already initiated. It was especially noticeable in ME, but even in ME2 I had to be careful of some dialogue options.

So yes, Shepard should definitely be the one to initiate romances through a dialogue option or other choice made by the player. In this way, anyone who wants to avoid said romance can just not choose the option.

[Fault Girl]

We don't even know if they are going "retcon" PC's yet. They may just introduce new bi PC's.

The issue with VS is the what the stand point is on what new "love routes" there will be in ME3. due to the VS romance being able to span 3 games, there has to be some significant alternative routes if they implement the choice of being able to enter a romance with them if you didn't in ME1.

I will just be annoyed with new players being able to enter a romance with the VS regardless of sex, that's the only thing that would annoy me cos i'm selfish


HE'S MINE!!!

Anyway back to topic, there should always be choice.

[FenrisDeSolar]

IndelibleJester wrote...

FenrisDeSolar wrote...
In order for it to be obvious that all LI's in DA2 were bi, you would need to play the game twice, with a male and a female character, or you would only experience on dimension of a characters sexuality. 

I just wanted to point out that if you pay attention, playing a male Hawke, almost all characters are bisexual. Not as obvious for female Hawke.
Fenris conversation with Isabela, Anders conversation with Isabela, Isabela go obvious.

I see. I haven't played DA2 yet, so I don't know an awful lot about it. Most of my opinions and facts are based on hearsay.

If that's the case, then it could be a bit uncomfortable for those unacquainted with bi/homosexuality I suppose. Although the news please me greatly.

[JamesMoriarty123]

ElitePinecone wrote...

@JamesMoriarty123

I just saw this edited post, and I mostly agree with this.

Advances by squadmates can always be awkward or difficult to spot until it's too late and a romance is already initiated. It was especially noticeable in ME, but even in ME2 I had to be careful of some dialogue options.

So yes, Shepard should definitely be the one to initiate romances through a dialogue option or other choice made by the player. In this way, anyone who wants to avoid said romance can just not choose the option.

Cheers for the reply, but yeah, I don't want existing characters changed at all, me and a crap ton of other people, but if they absolutely must do this then the initiative should ALWAYS lie with Shep.

I mean, not even a remotely flirtatious dialogue coming from the NPC, basically, it should be like you're talking to your friend until SHEP steers the interaction down the romance path.

I've never said I'm not happy to compromise, the more people who enjoy ME3 the better IMO, but at the same time, the outcry from the gay forumites for existing chars to be changed seems to be on purpose, as if the sole reaosn they do it is to ****** off the peope opposed to it.
Why can't people be happy with just a new Gay character, as a poster before mentioned, this "bisexual" **** is getting old as well, just make the guy Gay and that's that. You'll never please everyone, trying to do so is where DA2 fell down badly.

[lawp79]

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

sevalaricgirl wrote...

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I am a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind me back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

Age does not define maturity. That's an immature stand-point to take to begin with. You being an author does not guarantee you wisdom; including homosexual relationship in your book is commendable, but it still does not exempt you from being unfair in this matter. Kaidan/Ashley were intended as bisexual to begin with. They were retconned before the game even began. They were retconned even worse in ME2 (derpy Horizon moment,) as were Tali, Garrus, Wrex and Liara. ALL ME1 crew were significantly changed in ME2, yet sexuality is the only matter people give a **** about. Change appearance, change attitude, change hopes, desires and values but *gasp* you can't change their sexuality!

If you've already decided not to buy the game, there is no point in posting here. You've made up your mind, no?

In order for it to be obvious that all LI's in DA2 were bi, you would need to play the game twice, with a male and a female character, or you would only experience on dimension of a characters sexuality. There are more than 3% of people who want this content. Where the hell did you stats come from? Yes, everyone here is going to say what they like and what they want, just like you have already done.

I find it hard to believe that your son will be more accepting than you, if he told you about this thread, and your response was to write a semi-snarky threat about boycotting the game. I'm sorry to hear about what that guy did to you. Something similar happened to me once, so I know how that feels. However, that is a flaw in his character and it has absolutely nothing to do with his sexuality.

Sexuality is *not* personality.

And finally, you won't have it in your relationship unless you pursue that route. I find it unlikely that even a bisexual Kaidan will start talking about his homosexual adventures on the citadel while your Shepard rested in pieces. I think you and I both know that Kaidan has more tact than that. By all points and purposes he will be as straight as he was when you first romanced him. Kaidan is also a bunch of pixels, and it's highly unlikely that he will cheat on you with a man, my dear.

Perhaps you ought to give that some thought before you judge an unreleased games, with unannounced LI's?

You can write a good enough post that I believe you capable of reason. Just take a moment and think.

Very nice post.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nyoka wrote...

People is painting relationships in a way that's factually inaccurate according to what we now so far. Casey Hudson has said pretty clearly they will be reactive to you, not the other way around. You start it, the same way Femshep starts the Garrus romance. At first, he doesn't even know what you mean (he thinks you're talking about sparring), and you have to pick the romance option one more time to clarify what you meant. That's how it's gonna be, people.

"They will ask you for a shag" or "that's it, now they want your ass" are, simply, factually false statements. Please keep in mind what we know about romances before trying to make them look bad.

What can I say? You're spot on, but DA2 burned me. Burned me bad, yo Getting the gay come on left right and centre, left me scarred. ^^

[Golden Owl]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

After discussing this with other gamers, I'm wondering if this is just the first step that ME3 is taking on the road to failure that DA2 took. I've tried to stay optimistic about Bioware but announcements that the ME series is trying to be like the DA series is just bad.

With that being said, If Bioware is Hellbent on doing this then they need to leave current characters alone and introduce new characters to appease the small percentage of ppl that want this.

I agree with the other gamers.  I'm not preordering the game now because if Ash/Kaidan are bi, I'm not buying it and two copies come into this home all the time.  Those two copies won't be in my home.  I may be of the small proportion on this forum but I am in the large proportion of the gaming market.  New characters bi is fine, established characters bi is not and also the Kaidan/Horizon/after Horizon writing is poor and lazy.  It was written for femShep and they didn't bother to change it for manShep.  It's almost exactly what Ashley does/says if she is on Horizon.  That is poor writing no matter what the supporters say.  Bioware expected that male gamers would save Ashley and female gamers would save Kaidan.  Plain and simple.

People who support bi/gay Kaidan can suck it and go ahead and bash me.  I really don't care.  I'm only posting because my son brought this to my attention. 

From one mother to another...What the!!!????.....You do know your son is taking life time cues from you?

[Centauri2002]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Cheers for the reply, but yeah, I don't want existing characters changed at all, me and a crap ton of other people, but if they absolutely must do this then the initiative should ALWAYS lie with Shep.

I mean, not even a remotely flirtatious dialogue coming from the NPC, basically, it should be like you're talking to your friend until SHEP steers the interaction down the romance path.

I've never said I'm not happy to compromise, the more people who enjoy ME3 the better IMO, but at the same time, the outcry from the gay forumites for existing chars to be changed seems to be on purpose, as if the sole reaosn they do it is to ****** off the peope opposed to it.
Why can't people be happy with just a new Gay character, as a poster before mentioned, this "bisexual" **** is getting old as well, just make the guy Gay and that's that. You'll never please everyone, trying to do so is where DA2 fell down badly.

I agree with everything you've said here, bar the "gay forumite" generalisation. 

At this point, all interaction with potential LIs should be platonic unless initiated by the player in a clear manner. That way we can roleplay however we want. This goes for all sexualities.

I don't mind there being a bisexual option but I would like to see an exclusively gay character at one point. Simply because it's just not been done. For ME3, however, I'll take what I can get.