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[FenrisDeSolar]

lawp79 wrote...

FenrisDeSolar wrote...
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Very nice post.

I liked it. 

[Saeran]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Cheers for the reply, but yeah, I don't want existing characters changed at all, me and a crap ton of other people, but if they absolutely must do this then the initiative should ALWAYS lie with Shep.

I mean, not even a remotely flirtatious dialogue coming from the NPC, basically, it should be like you're talking to your friend until SHEP steers the interaction down the romance path.

I've never said I'm not happy to compromise, the more people who enjoy ME3 the better IMO, but at the same time, the outcry from the gay forumites for existing chars to be changed seems to be on purpose, as if the sole reaosn they do it is to ****** off the peope opposed to it.
Why can't people be happy with just a new Gay character, as a poster before mentioned, this "bisexual" **** is getting old as well, just make the guy Gay and that's that. You'll never please everyone, trying to do so is where DA2 fell down badly.

Seriously, dude. MOST of us "gay forumites" don't care what option BioWare decide to do, we are just genuinely beyond happy that we at least get an option in this the final game of an already amazing series of games.

[HolyMoogle]

I feel so sorry for the delicate daisies who just couldn't stand not to take the little pink heart option in DA2, and found themselves being bombarded with teh gay.

It must have been truly traumatizing.

But that's ok, Bioware can make up for it by giving us a nice big English M/M romance in the form of Mr Fishnchips!

[Cootie]

Personally, I just believe people are so disgruntled about the way DA2 handled romances because, well, the rest of the game was lacking (but let's not get into that).
If ME-3 had the same system, but was overall a very awesome game with a great story and amazing gameplay, and it was the first game to present this all-bi-system, it would have been praised, I think.

But now? Now it's going to be labeled "the DA2-system" and be forever associated with what many believe was a sub-par experience.
(I personally thought it was great, all things considered.)

[Centauri2002]

Cootie wrote...

Personally, I just believe people are so disgruntled about the way DA2 handled romances because, well, the rest of the game was lacking (but let's not get into that).
If ME-3 had the same system, but was overall a very awesome game with a great story and amazing gameplay, and it was the first game to present this all-bi-system, it would have been praised, I think.

But now? Now it's going to be labeled "the DA2-system" and be forever associated with what many believe was a sub-par experience.
(I personally thought it was great, all things considered.)

It certainly gave people the most options in a game so far. Personally, it didn't suit me. I want a team of hot, badass lesbians following me around, dammit! 

[ElitePinecone]

Saeran wrote...
MOST of us "gay forumites" don't care what option BioWare decide to do, we are just genuinely beyond happy that we at least get an option in this the final game of an already amazing series of games. 

[DrBobcat]

Saeran wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Cheers for the reply, but yeah, I don't want existing characters changed at all, me and a crap ton of other people, but if they absolutely must do this then the initiative should ALWAYS lie with Shep.

I mean, not even a remotely flirtatious dialogue coming from the NPC, basically, it should be like you're talking to your friend until SHEP steers the interaction down the romance path.

I've never said I'm not happy to compromise, the more people who enjoy ME3 the better IMO, but at the same time, the outcry from the gay forumites for existing chars to be changed seems to be on purpose, as if the sole reaosn they do it is to ****** off the peope opposed to it.
Why can't people be happy with just a new Gay character, as a poster before mentioned, this "bisexual" **** is getting old as well, just make the guy Gay and that's that. You'll never please everyone, trying to do so is where DA2 fell down badly.

Seriously, dude. MOST of us "gay forumites" don't care what option BioWare decide to do, we are just genuinely beyond happy that we at least get an option in this the final game of an already amazing series of games.

^ This. Despite my previous post, please realize that I am completely content with just the introduction of new bisexual LIs. I only brought up Garrus because I personally find him (very) attractive. I'd gladly abandon my position if it meant more people were happy as a result. The only major problem I have is that some people love to use hyperbolic language or misrepesent our position. Very, very few people have demanded that all previous love interests should become bisexual in ME3. Despite my affiliations, I think this would be incredibly difficult to pull off believably. I just think it could be done with some characters and it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I'll reiterate a long time motto of mine just to really drive it home: do it right or don't do it all.

Modifié par DrBobcat, 19 mai 2011 - 02:08 .

[Cootie]

centauri2002 wrote...

Cootie wrote...

Personally, I just believe people are so disgruntled about the way DA2 handled romances because, well, the rest of the game was lacking (but let's not get into that).
If ME-3 had the same system, but was overall a very awesome game with a great story and amazing gameplay, and it was the first game to present this all-bi-system, it would have been praised, I think.

But now? Now it's going to be labeled "the DA2-system" and be forever associated with what many believe was a sub-par experience.
(I personally thought it was great, all things considered.)

It certainly gave people the most options in a game so far. Personally, it didn't suit me. I want a team of hot, badass lesbians following me around, dammit! 

WELL THERE IS NO PLEASING YOU IS THERE!?!?!?!?!

*rages and throws books around*

*locks self in bathroom and mutters*

Edit:
Wait, they weren't all lesbians?

Modifié par Cootie, 19 mai 2011 - 01:53 .

[Golden Owl]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

 

I am older than probably everyone of you here so no I don't need to grow up.  I'm also an author, published thank you, with gay relationships in my book, but I would not retcon a character so he has a coming out.  Bioware is catering to the very small market share and no I won't buy the game.  I've already moved away from Dragon Age.  I haven't played it since I played the first time.   It was a waste of 60.00.  BTW, if was freaking obvious by the so called heart that they were all bi in DA2.  That's what ruins immersion.  You are of the 3%.  Of course you're going to say exactly what you said. 

You don't know a damned thing about me being a parent.  I am a Christian,  my son is taught to accept all people no matter their gender/race or sexual preference but another thing you don't know about me is that my heart was broken after I was in a 2 year romance (we were heavily involved and almost purchased the ring) with a guy who said he wanted to marry me and have kids with me only to find out through gossip that he was sleeping with a guy behind my back.  Do I mind that ME brings in the gay option no, do I want it in my existing relationship NO.

Older than everyone of us here? Really?....We can play that game if you want, since it's highly likely I'm older than you...We can play ****** for tat and all that cr*p if you so wish....It's said with age comes wisdom...what a load of over done rot, years don't count one iota. I realise that I am surrounded many by people precentage wise, a lot younger than myself and take the time to appreciate the variety of ideas and opinions expressed here by many wonderfully intelligent and thoughtful individuals...basically, do not dare to judge another's value and thoughts by their years.

Published author here also...though I remain baffled as to what that has to do with this, it bears absolutely no relevance what so ever.

Christian huh? Yep, those apparent values are showing by your previous statement....what the hell has christianity got to do with parenting and moral teachings anyway?...As for your heart break, we all get hurt, a foul thing to happen to you for sure, but wrapping entertainments in cotton wool to avoid bringing up bad memories for everyone is going to leave nothing left to read, watch, play, etc...

[Centauri2002]

Cootie wrote...

WELL THERE IS NO PLEASING YOU IS THERE!?!?!?!?!

*rages and throws books around*

*locks self in bathroom and mutters*

Edit:
Wait, they weren't all lesbians?

Nope, I'm never happy!  Except when I am.

Not a lesbian in sight, nuh uh. And I also require the "hot, badass" prerequisite too. Or no dice!

[lawp79]

A band of hot, badass lesbians sounds....... Pleasing

[Erani]

^ I agree, all-lesbian squad has lots of potential.

[jlb524]

IndelibleJester wrote...

I just wanted to point out that if you pay attention, playing a male Hawke, almost all characters are bisexual. Not as obvious for female Hawke.
Fenris conversation with Isabela, Anders conversation with Isabela, Isabela go obvious.

I don't play MaleHawke, but I don't remember hearing about these either.  All the party member banter I heard (in regards to romance/sex) was heterosexual in nature.

[Centauri2002]

The next Mass Effect series of games: based around an all-female crew on board the starship Amazonia. Hijinks ensue.

[lawp79]

^Ok thats 3 then, motion passed, someone go make a banner.

[Cootie]

Stop staring at that all-straight/all-ghey toggle like that!

Also:

Golden Owl wrote...

Older than everyone of us here? Really?....We can play that game if you want, since it's highly likely I'm older than you...We can play ****** for tat and all that cr*p if you so wish....It's said with age comes wisdom...what a load of over done rot, years don't count one iota. I realise that I am surrounded many by people precentage wise, a lot younger than myself and take the time to appreciate the variety of ideas and opinions expressed here by many wonderfully intelligent and thoughtful individuals...basically, do not dare to judge another's value and thoughts by their years.

Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty.

[jlb524]

A squad of lesbians? Pinch me, I'm dreaming.

[Jamesnew2]

I think you have to take in to account that charactors such as tali have been with shepard for years and would be probably the easiest charactors to explain a sudden change of prefrences toward a fem shepard

[jlb524]

Cootie wrote...

Personally, I just believe people are so disgruntled about the way DA2 handled romances because, well, the rest of the game was lacking (but let's not get into that).
If ME-3 had the same system, but was overall a very awesome game with a great story and amazing gameplay, and it was the first game to present this all-bi-system, it would have been praised, I think.

But now? Now it's going to be labeled "the DA2-system" and be forever associated with what many believe was a sub-par experience.
(I personally thought it was great, all things considered.)

The systems fine (better than Origins in some cases)...though I also found the rest of the game okay.

Most of the romance complaints I've seen center around all LIs being bisexual and have nothing to do with the actual romances...not the characters or how they were written, but the fact that all of them could potentially be romanced by any gender Hawke, even if you don't do it.   Really,  I only romance one character every time I play the game and the sexuality of the others never ever enters my mind nor does it affect my opinion on the actual romance that I'm playing through (which I enjoy based on the merits of the writing).

TBH, I think if ME3 did an all bi LI (with an awesome game) there'd still be complaints.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 mai 2011 - 02:18 .

[Cootie]

Jamesnew2 wrote...

I think you have to take in to account that charactors such as tali have been with shepard for years and would be probably the easiest charactors to explain a sudden change of prefrences toward a fem shepard

Does that include Garrus as well?
If so, I agree with you. But on the other hand, it might feel a bit strange if there's a sudden change of heart, since ME-3 is supposed to take place just after Arrival, basically.

It would be easier to argue for the homosexuality of the Virmire Survivor, as they have spent some time away from Shepard, and have developed through these two-ish years.

[Golden Owl]

centauri2002 wrote...

The next Mass Effect series of games: based around an all-female crew on board the starship Amazonia. Hijinks ensue.

Noooooooo!!!........Now a bare chested all male crew...hmmmm...............I'm sold...

[Cootie]

jlb524 wrote...

The systems fine (better than Origins in some cases)...though I also found the rest of the game okay.

Most
of the romance complaints I've seen center around all LIs being
bisexual and have nothing to do with the actual romances...not the
characters or how they were written, but the fact that all of them could
potentially be romanced by any gender Hawke, even if you don't do it.  
Really,  I only romance one character every time I play the game and
the sexuality of the others never ever enters my mind nor does it affect
my opinion on the actual romance that I'm playing through (which I
enjoy based on the merits of the writing).

TBH, I think if ME3 did an all bi LI (with an awesome game) there'd still be complaints.

Ah know rite!?
I did not have any high expectations of the game, and I was frankly put amazed at what they had managed with such a tight schedule, and the romances were spectacular in comparison to the systems used in other games.
>.>
<.<
No offense to any writers out there, of course.

I just think that the DA2-romances are sort of an easy scapegoat of sorts, to which people turn to vent their despair.
Really, it wasn't THAT horrible, was it?

Edit:
I still think the general opinion of the all-bi LI's would be... lessened. Right now, 'zis unt OUTWAGE, madame!
*twiddles moustache*

The complaints might still be there, but instead of "omg gay game with gays everywhere ruining the gay game" you'd have "the option to romance everyone was not to my tastes, mmyes."
Or maybe I'm just an optimist.

Modifié par Cootie, 19 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[Golden Owl]

Cootie wrote...

Stop staring at that all-straight/all-ghey toggle like that!

Also:

Golden Owl wrote...

Older than everyone of us here? Really?....We can play that game if you want, since it's highly likely I'm older than you...We can play ****** for tat and all that cr*p if you so wish....It's said with age comes wisdom...what a load of over done rot, years don't count one iota. I realise that I am surrounded many by people precentage wise, a lot younger than myself and take the time to appreciate the variety of ideas and opinions expressed here by many wonderfully intelligent and thoughtful individuals...basically, do not dare to judge another's value and thoughts by their years.

Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty.

True Cootie....Though 'old' has been keeping my theory about all my aches and pains happy...

[jlb524]

Cootie wrote...
I just think that the DA2-romances are sort of an easy scapegoat of sorts, to which people turn to vent their despair.
Really, it wasn't THAT horrible, was it?

I didn't think so...I enjoyed my DA2 romance more than my DA:O one.  Though, I don't let things like the sexuality of the LIs bother me.