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[Centauri2002]

Valcutio wrote...
And plenty of people in real life are just... straight.

I understand the desire to introduce gay characters. I have no issue with this. What I have an issue with is changing the orientation of established characters.

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

Although I don't agree with your reasoning, I am willing to compromise on this. If we only see new LIs as options for same sex romances, then so be it. I am willing to accept this.

[Polliot]

Valcutio wrote...


And plenty of people in real life are just... straight.

I understand the desire to introduce gay characters. I have no issue with this. What I have an issue with is changing the orientation of established characters.

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

At least somebody understands

[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

What?! That's completely different

It didn't exist from the beginning, did it?

[MACharlie1]

Clonedzero wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Since when does....

I was friends with this chick in brain camp mean I'm completely straight?

I take care of my sisters and one of my sisters thinks Kaidan is cute means I'm completely straight?

I'd like to link suits with FemShep means I'm completely straight?

I had a threesome with a guy and girl but I hate hanging out with girls means I'm completely straight?

I'd question the others but apparently anyone who has been in a relationship or had sex with opposite sex can only ever be straight.

never said that.

it means they were concealing the fact that they're attracted to shepard and were gay/bi. right? yup.

it also means they'd have to do some really stupid "coming out" plot-line thats better left on a dumb tvshow like Glee, i dont want resources wasted on writing pointless melodrama. sorry.

make an interesting and likable openly gay/bi character with a super cool badass backround instead.

everyones happy that way too.

I'm going to ask this again: what if they skipped the plot lines? Just get right into. Nobody says anything like "Oh I didn't know your into men!" line. Just a natural thing that happens. 

[ipgd]

Valcutio wrote...

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

Of course. It's a reasonable assumption, and one you will be right about 95% of the time, but because it is still an assumption, you don't get to get upset when you are wrong.

Modifié par ipgd, 19 mai 2011 - 07:09 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Valcutio wrote...

And plenty of people in real life are just... straight.

I understand the desire to introduce gay characters. I have no issue with this. What I have an issue with is changing the orientation of established characters.

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

I don't see it,  if you want your gay people to be out and proud I want the straight people to have to run away reaffirming that they are in fact straight with every conversation.  "Like I'm not gay bro,  I had sex with more woman than Mick Jager and penises are absolutely disqusting. I can barely look at mine without vomiting."  Or something similiar for a woman.

[AdmiralCheez]

ipgd wrote...

Of course. It's a reasonable assumption, and one you will be right about 95% of the time, but because it is still an assumption, you don't get to get upset when you are wrong.

Yeah.  Some people go for years without coming out, and nobody knows.

[LiquidGrape]

Valcutio wrote...

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

See, that's where any pretense of a rational argument goes out the window.

[Siansonea]

Polliot wrote...

I was reffering to male Shep. Sure,it's a double standard,but BioWare made it that way. People usually say how BioWare made M/M lines for previous games,thinking that it helps their case. But that only proves they thought about it when making ME1,but decided not to do it.And some people complained.
When ME2 came,they decided not to put it there AGAIN.

If you can't see that it's an obvious fanservice and that it indeed breaks continuity,then you are blind. And yes,better late than never doesn't always apply.

And BioWare is deciding to do it differently now. You can't use "BioWare decided" as an argument against BioWare deciding something else.

[Wereparrot]

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

roleplaying Shepherd as gay was a figment of your imagination.

Apparently not, because ME3 will explicitly support the "he's gay" interpretation of my lonely celibateshep's self-love cabin sessions.

Notice I said it was. I am resigned, but I still hope for a compromise whereby all previous LIs remain as they were. But really I believe your celibate Shepherd should stay that way.

[SalsaDMA]

TommyServo wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

instead they could write new characters have them be openly gay/bi and have them have actually interesting plot-lines and character archs.

as for shepard, he should be able to lead the galactic gay pride parade for all im concerned lol, i dont care about that.

Everyone on our side of the argument is 100% ok with this. I think.

Clearly not, as evidenced on the very page your post was on:P

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 19 mai 2011 - 07:12 .

[Valcutio]

centauri2002 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
And plenty of people in real life are just... straight.

I understand the desire to introduce gay characters. I have no issue with this. What I have an issue with is changing the orientation of established characters.

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

Although I don't agree with your reasoning, I am willing to compromise on this. If we only see new LIs as options for same sex romances, then so be it. I am willing to accept this.

We have an acord. 

[Polliot]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

What?! That's completely different

It didn't exist from the beginning, did it?

Actually,Mass Effect was itended to be a trilogy from the beginning. And without ME2,the main story obviously couldn't be finished,and if you don't see why it isn't the same thing....

[Clonedzero]

i actually hope Vegas is one badass openly bi mofo.
and yeah, i say openly bi.

the whole "they're only bi/gay if you hit on them" thing is alittle too "video gamey" for me. they dont have to hit on you, just you know have them make a comment to make it aware. maybe since Vegas is supposed to be naive about the galaxy and races have him seem disappointed theres no race of super attractive blue men running around or something lol

[ipgd]

Wereparrot wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

roleplaying Shepherd as gay was a figment of your imagination.

Apparently not, because ME3 will explicitly support the "he's gay" interpretation of my lonely celibateshep's self-love cabin sessions.

Notice I said it was. I am resigned, but I still hope for a compromise whereby all previous LIs remain as they were. But really I believe your celibate Shepherd should stay that way.

Why? Do you have some evidence that suggests he must actually be The Only Gay in Space rather than The Only Gay On The Normandy Until ME3?

[jlb524]

All the romances are pretty 'video gamey' if you ask me.

[AdmiralCheez]

Valcutio wrote...

And plenty of people in real life are just... straight.

Lots of 'em.

I understand the desire to introduce gay characters. I have no issue with this. What I have an issue with is changing the orientation of established characters.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with it if it was just one or two of them, but all of 'em?  Suspension of disbelief = gone.  However, I'm not in the camp asking for it to happen because I understand the fan rage that will come out of it.  

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

No they don't.  Plenty of people keep secrets, and plenty never say things about themselves unless it's brought up.

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

Like somebody else said, sometimes assumptions are wrong.  For example, the majority of people who play ME are male.  Therefore, if you're going to take a blind guess at a person's gender here, you'll probably pick "male."  Everyone on this forum assumed I was a dude until I outright stated I was a girl.

[Servo to the bitter end]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Clearly not, as evidenced on the very page your post was on:P

Fine.

87% behind this.

I dig it. Honestly, I think one new dude - James Vega - would be acceptable, although just the one would be a little disappointing.

But again - until we know how it happens, all we can talk about is how it might happen, and that includes re-writes, so it's inevitably going to come up.

[Erani]

SalsaDMA wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

instead they could write new characters have them be openly gay/bi and have them have actually interesting plot-lines and character archs.

as for shepard, he should be able to lead the galactic gay pride parade for all im concerned lol, i dont care about that.

Everyone on our side of the argument is 100% ok with this. I think.

Clearly not, as evidenced on this very page

Clearly most people are for this, even if they also would like some old characters to be bi. It's like this.

1- some people want old characters bi in ME3
2- some people want new characters only bi in ME3
3- some people want both
4- some people don't care.
5- most people who want #1 have said that they would happily settle for #2.

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

All the romances are pretty 'video gamey' if you ask me.

Agreed. 

And the fact that they refuse to talk to you unless your romance them only makes it worse. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

Actually,Mass Effect was itended to be a trilogy from the beginning. And without ME2,the main story obviously couldn't be finished,and if you don't see why it isn't the same thing....

Okay, then.  What about Thane?  Heat sinks?  Combat drones?  Talimance?

[MACharlie1]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Actually,Mass Effect was itended to be a trilogy from the beginning. And without ME2,the main story obviously couldn't be finished,and if you don't see why it isn't the same thing....

Okay, then.  What about Thane?  Heat sinks?  Combat drones?  Talimance?

Aaaand...Tali and Kaidan were BOTH supposed to be open to MaleShep at one point. 

THAT was also intended. 

[SalsaDMA]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

And plenty of people in real life are just... straight.

I understand the desire to introduce gay characters. I have no issue with this. What I have an issue with is changing the orientation of established characters.

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

"But straight people don't have to announce that they're straight."

Because it's a biological normalcy that has kept the human race from becoming extinct since the very beginning of our species. We assume people have 5 fingers on each hand until it's announced otherwise.

I don't see it,  if you want your gay people to be out and proud I want the straight people to have to run away reaffirming that they are in fact straight with every conversation.  "Like I'm not gay bro,  I had sex with more woman than Mick Jager and penises are absolutely disqusting. I can barely look at mine without vomiting."  Or something similiar for a woman.

Actually, between me and my friends it's pretty common to make innuendos about women and sex (or just comment parts of their physique in a way that leaves no doubt as to the interest in doing sexual stuff with them) on a timescale that could certainly be said to be somewhat 'common'. I asume it is a thing that varies within cultures or 'cricles of people'. But between guys where I live, it's pretty common to comment on stuff they'd like to do with 'fine women' when they hang out with other guys.