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[NGC1300]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Mods don't count. What was planned to be in game,and what actually is there are two very different things. If they made Kaidan bi in ME1,I would not object.

FYI. It's not a mode. And you're welcome to try. Nothing added to the game when gay romance option unlocked. The lesbian option is still 100% in there. The gay one is broken at some points, but most of the conversations are still there.

Nuff said.

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Edit>> Let me rephrase. The voiceover is broken at some points but all the subtitles are there for m/m romance.

But is it in vannila game,available for everyone like with Fem Shep? No.

When it comes to FShep, you still have to toggle the relationship the same way you do with m/m romance. And what we're talking here is not about whether it's completely achieveable in the released version or not. You're crying over the issue that it wouldn't feel the same if those 'straight' chars turn gay-able in the 3rd part so I gave you a proof that making those chars gay-able(which they already are since the first game) doesn't make any differences. That's the point.

Modifié par NGC1300, 16 mai 2011 - 01:31 .

[LordEurope]

Well besides the fact that it is weird that my Shepard after two games suddenly decides he is gay i have one concern.

Romance needs to be clear in the conversations, I don't want to start a romance option with someone just because I am friendly with them. This goes for all the characters.

[Saeran]

LordEurope wrote...

Well besides the fact that it is weird that my Shepard after two games suddenly decides he is gay i have one concern.

Romance needs to be clear in the conversations, I don't want to start a romance option with someone just because I am friendly with them. This goes for all the characters.

I do believe the point is that HE doesn't decide that. You do. If you (after two games) decide that he is actually gay, that is your choice. Up until that point he's still straight. My Shepard is gay, he hasn't romanced anyone yet because it's not been available. But he is gay. This doesn't mean yours was.

[Ghost Warrior]

HolyMoogle wrote...


Sure, that's the reasoning for why those characters may be bisexual, but where is there any evidence that the others could not be? I couldn't see anything, not to mention the mysteriously "cut" dialogue for Kaiden and Jacob.

I gave those reasons in one of my earlier posts,and now I'll do it again:

Garrus - read clonedzero's post

Ashley- religious(they are not really for same-sex relationships),flirts and teases male Shep,but not Fem Shep. She has always been open with Shepard,maybe a little to much,so if she was a bi,it is in her character to admit it and go after Fem Shep,just like she did with male one.

Kaidan - similar to Ash. Always open,and sometimes nervous with opposite sex but never with men,which I think says something.

Jacob - very similar to Garrus. Some of his lines strongly indicate he is straight,and he has strictly platonic relationship with male Shep.

[jmood88]

I'm not one of the people who were clamoring for gay/lesbian relationships but I'm glad that they're there for the people who wanted them. I really don't understand the people who are against the existing characters being bi, none of the characters announced that they were straight so it's not a complete 180 to be interested in a Shepard of the same sex. Even if they had come out and told you what their sexuality was, the possibility of them being bi changes absolutely nothing, unless you choose to pursue that relationship. If it bothers you then just don't choose conversation options that would lead to interest, it's really not that hard and isn't a big deal at all.

[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
well theres no indication at all, what-so-ever that garrus is bi. he has
absolutely no reason to hide this from shepard, its silly to think it
wouldnt have come up already.

He never thought about it that way. Same as the femshep romance. It happens to people.

yes, its fesible for him to be bi, its completely possible. but only if you like cheap fanservicey writing. for him to be bi it'd have to be a really specific and impossible to do well set of circumstances and dialogue that would just well be bad.

i mean it context with the established convos male shepard and garrus have had, and the way they treat each other it makes a bi relationship with him completely unrealistic and would feel absolutely forced fanservice. im sorry but its true.

You seem to have expert knowledge of how bi relationship are like. Apparently you are an authority on the subject. You sound so absolutely and really completely sure of how bi people behave and how they get engaged in relationships.

please englighten me. im completely willing to admit im wrong if you can give me some convincing reasons that arent shoehorning it in.

i said its possible for him to be bi. that he just never thought that way till now, ect. ect. ect./ but like i said, that would force the romance down a very very specific path that wouldnt really be satisfying for anyone.

im completely serious, if im wrong i'd really like to know, im not so stuck into my way of thinking that i cant hear other people out. a big reason i find this whole thing interesting is i see it as sort of a writing puzzle where you have alot of set pieces already there and you gotta fit them together convincingly to make something new. with garrus you COULD fit it together, but you'd be forcing those pieces together a bit too much, sorta like forcing a jiggsaw puzzle piece into a slot that doesnt quite fit. you can get it in there, but it just doesnt seem to work well.

though i'll admit i'm a bit surprised no ones really commented on my idea of having a select few s/s romances and having them with completely unique dialogue and circumstances for m/m and f/f relationships. doing it that way would be much better for everyone involved. it'd keep all the romances unique and well developed, it gives alot more potential for the s/s relationships to be more meaningful as they could actually reference the fact its a s/s relationship

i think a couple well written romances would be far more tasteful and enjoyable for everyone than shoe horning everyone into "bi" status and having a bunch of bland unspecific romances.

[Saeran]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I gave those reasons in one of my earlier posts,and now I'll do it again:

Garrus - read clonedzero's post

Ashley- religious(they are not really for same-sex relationships),flirts and teases male Shep,but not Fem Shep. She has always been open with Shepard,maybe a little to much,so if she was a bi,it is in her character to admit it and go after Fem Shep,just like she did with male one.

Kaidan - similar to Ash. Always open,and sometimes nervous with opposite sex but never with men,which I think says something.

Jacob - very similar to Garrus. Some of his lines strongly indicate he is straight,and he has strictly platonic relationship with male Shep.

Implied fact =/= fact. Alot of your reasoning comes from your feelings. Religion changes constantly, who's to say that in 150 years time it's not alot more accepting of all forms of love?

Kaiden also said losing Shepard was like losing a limb. That implies to me feelings of a romantic nature. Maybe not to others however.

The fact that you feel something is/should be some way... does not mean it IS that way.

[Ghost Warrior]

Saeran wrote...

LordEurope wrote...

Well besides the fact that it is weird that my Shepard after two games suddenly decides he is gay i have one concern.

Romance needs to be clear in the conversations, I don't want to start a romance option with someone just because I am friendly with them. This goes for all the characters.

I do believe the point is that HE doesn't decide that. You do. If you (after two games) decide that he is actually gay, that is your choice. Up until that point he's still straight. My Shepard is gay, he hasn't romanced anyone yet because it's not been available. But he is gay. This doesn't mean yours was.

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

[Cathey]

Actually I think Ashley being religious might be why she doesn't flirt openly with FemShep if she's chosen as a bi option for ME3. If someone thinks the way the feel is wrong, they will be less open about it.
We didn't see much of the VS in ME2 though so it may very well work out if the VS is the s/s since they're reunited with Shepard on the same team again and maybe they feel it's finally time to admit their feelings.

[Gterror]

Why broke ME1 and ME2 traditional way to not have same-sex romance (Liara doesnt count)?

[Saeran]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

I was. I roleplayed Shepard as gay. I turned down all romances because my Shepard isn't that way inclined. This just affirms the fact that Shepard can be gay without roleplaying him as such without proof.

[NGC1300]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Saeran wrote...

LordEurope wrote...

Well besides the fact that it is weird that my Shepard after two games suddenly decides he is gay i have one concern.

Romance needs to be clear in the conversations, I don't want to start a romance option with someone just because I am friendly with them. This goes for all the characters.

I do believe the point is that HE doesn't decide that. You do. If you (after two games) decide that he is actually gay, that is your choice. Up until that point he's still straight. My Shepard is gay, he hasn't romanced anyone yet because it's not been available. But he is gay. This doesn't mean yours was.

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

Maybe you don't seem to understand a thing I tried to explain, or maybe you're just trying to stick with your permanently-constructed perspectives you have toward ME characters. Gay option was meant to be applicable in the first game, it's the media's bigotry that forced the devs to remove that content. The second was probably already in process while the first one was on sale and the s/s romance issue wasn't very obvious by that time.

get it now?

Modifié par NGC1300, 16 mai 2011 - 01:47 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Saeran wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I gave those reasons in one of my earlier posts,and now I'll do it again:

Garrus - read clonedzero's post

Ashley- religious(they are not really for same-sex relationships),flirts and teases male Shep,but not Fem Shep. She has always been open with Shepard,maybe a little to much,so if she was a bi,it is in her character to admit it and go after Fem Shep,just like she did with male one.

Kaidan - similar to Ash. Always open,and sometimes nervous with opposite sex but never with men,which I think says something.

Jacob - very similar to Garrus. Some of his lines strongly indicate he is straight,and he has strictly platonic relationship with male Shep.

Implied fact =/= fact. Alot of your reasoning comes from your feelings. Religion changes constantly, who's to say that in 150 years time it's not alot more accepting of all forms of love?

Kaiden also said losing Shepard was like losing a limb. That implies to me feelings of a romantic nature. Maybe not to others however.

The fact that you feel something is/should be some way... does not mean it IS that way.

Okay,religion changes. I give you that.
Losing a limb thing - interesting,didn't know that.

But what about other things? They are both very open,why didn't they say anything? Why do they only flirt with opposite-sex Shepard?

[KenKenpachi]

Hm if they make them all bi/gay I'm going to be pissed. It should depend on the writing, such as Miri and Ash being 100% straight given there views, Jack, Kaiden I suspect will be gay. Tali and Garrus I'm sure Garrus should be kept Hetro, Tali is pretty naive and could swing either way I'm sure, but her feelings of love come across me more as "Hero Worship" kinda like how all the ladies back in the day wanted to screw whatever rocker was the most famous. The new James guy, have no idea, but he sounds Redneck to me, and he won't be a romance anyways. Liara has no sex, so doesn't matter. In fact we won't hjave any new romances and to my major, major dissapointment a smaller squad.

Ah yes Jacob, almost forgot him, but he may not be back as a squadie, dunno. He seems straight, he just acts normal around Male shep, but always wants in Fem sheps pants. So provided this doesn't turn into a recon and/or ****ty writing.

Kaiden, Jack, Liara, Tali-Bi
Miri, Garrus, Jacob, and Ash-straight.

As to the why's. Kai he just seemed more open with a male shep or in conversations with males, and akward around females, so it wouldn't be hard to write a decent romance in that reguard for him, Jack has openly stated being a Do it all see it all sort and her mental profile says she treats sex as a nevermind issue, plus from LOTSB she STILL looks things up on shep reguardless of sex. Liara as stated has no sex and was a bi pick from the start, I have stated Tali's.

Miri going from her information is strickly M&F and a bit demanding\\/snootie, I don't see her doing that. As to Ash, same but she's also heavily religious which is a strong pointer to a no of being bi. Though she did just have sex with shepard (if romanced) but that may fall under hero worship. Garrus openly bragged about having sex with a female crew member in the service, and he brings some sort of drink to get shep drunk, yet he treats male shep like a brother or father figure, and it should be kept that way. Jacob I've stated in the above.

Gives 4 for eah group and keeps in character, I see no problem here. I was looking forward to a Kasumi romance, or hell even a romance for the other Fem NPC's such as (names escape me atm) But the Green Asari, and the human cop. But Bio has stated that there will be no new romanceable NPC's and if thats not set to change my Shep will remain lonely. Heck we won't even have that large of a squad, short of game mechanics I'm hoping the story won't fall on its face and be a clear fan service grab.

If they make it to fit all it will cause trouble as it only realistically only fits a very small minority. As it did with DA:2 and seems like a clear money grab.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 16 mai 2011 - 01:50 .

[lazuli]

Ghost Warrior wrote...


But what about other things? They are both very open,why didn't they say anything? Why do they only flirt with opposite-sex Shepard?

It is my hope that the writing addresses this.  It has the potential for dramatic regret over time lost and emotions squandered. 

[Ghost Warrior]

Saeran wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

I was. I roleplayed Shepard as gay. I turned down all romances because my Shepard isn't that way inclined. This just affirms the fact that Shepard can be gay without roleplaying him as such without proof.

So you imagine him to be gay.

Someone imagines him to be sick bastard who wants to rape Legion.

But you can't express that in game,it's all in your heads.

[Saeran]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Okay,religion changes. I give you that.
Losing a limb thing - interesting,didn't know that.

But what about other things? They are both very open,why didn't they say anything? Why do they only flirt with opposite-sex Shepard?

I can't explain that. Maybe through ME 1 they do develop feelings for same gender Shepard but are apprehensive about revealing it for various reasons. Maybe coming out is still as hard then as it is now. I don't personally have an answer. And I do see your reasoning. But at the same time, they've never outwardly stated that they are straight are anything otherwise. It is implied I suppose. However "losing a limb" doesn't sound like something I'd say if I lost a friend. I would mourn heavily, but I would never use that terminology to represent it.

[KenKenpachi]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

I was. I roleplayed Shepard as gay. I turned down all romances because my Shepard isn't that way inclined. This just affirms the fact that Shepard can be gay without roleplaying him as such without proof.

So you imagine him to be gay.

Someone imagines him to be sick bastard who wants to rape Legion.

But you can't express that in game,it's all in your heads.

 A great many bioware and general RPG fans I've seen on here need mental health's help.

[HolyMoogle]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I gave those reasons in one of my earlier posts,and now I'll do it again:

Garrus - read clonedzero's post

Ashley- religious(they are not really for same-sex relationships),flirts and teases male Shep,but not Fem Shep. She has always been open with Shepard,maybe a little to much,so if she was a bi,it is in her character to admit it and go after Fem Shep,just like she did with male one.

Kaidan - similar to Ash. Always open,and sometimes nervous with opposite sex but never with men,which I think says something.

Jacob - very similar to Garrus. Some of his lines strongly indicate he is straight,and he has strictly platonic relationship with male Shep.

Implied fact =/= fact. Alot of your reasoning comes from your feelings. Religion changes constantly, who's to say that in 150 years time it's not alot more accepting of all forms of love?

Kaiden also said losing Shepard was like losing a limb. That implies to me feelings of a romantic nature. Maybe not to others however.

The fact that you feel something is/should be some way... does not mean it IS that way.

Okay,religion changes. I give you that.
Losing a limb thing - interesting,didn't know that.

But what about other things? They are both very open,why didn't they say anything? Why do they only flirt with opposite-sex Shepard?

I think it's pretty well established that it's because their lines were abritrarily cut a shortly before release in each game's case. There aren't party members who flirt with Shepard but then Shepard can *only* turn down, and there aren't party members who Shepard can flirt with but then can *only* turn him down. Ergo, Bioware didn't see the need to create awkward, stilted "Oh, hey, Shepard, I just want to tell you all about my sexual orientation, not for any reasons pertaining to our relationship, but just cuz I know you think I'm so darn interesting!" conversations.

[Saeran]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

So you imagine him to be gay.

Someone imagines him to be sick bastard who wants to rape Legion.

But you can't express that in game,it's all in your heads.

All the more power to them if they wanted to start a thread and ask for it and see how many people stand up and say "Yes, we agree. This is what I would love to see in this game."
I wouldn't personally sign it but then I'm neither into rape nor robosexuality.

[catabuca]

Manveer Heir just tweeted: "I can't even explain how often same-sex relationships are requested, especially for male characters - really excited we're supporting this"

and so are we, so are we.



(http://twitter.com/#...120618477101056)

[Darth Death]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

I was. I roleplayed Shepard as gay. I turned down all romances because my Shepard isn't that way inclined. This just affirms the fact that Shepard can be gay without roleplaying him as such without proof.

So you imagine him to be gay.

Someone imagines him to be sick bastard who wants to rape Legion.

But you can't express that in game,it's all in your heads.

 A great many bioware and general RPG fans I've seen on here need mental health's help.

You've seen it too? And here I thought I was going crazy:alien: