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[SalsaDMA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Actually, between me and my friends it's pretty common to make innuendos about women and sex (or just comment parts of their physique in a way that leaves no doubt as to the interest in doing sexual stuff with them) on a timescale that could certainly be said to be somewhat 'common'. I asume it is a thing that varies within cultures or 'cricles of people'. But between guys where I live, it's pretty common to comment on stuff they'd like to do with 'fine women' when they hang out with other guys.

Yeah, but do you talk to your boss like that?

He constantly overhears me when I talk to my co-workers. So he knows the way I talk.
Sometimes he tries to correct me into using more neutral terms than I am using, but I think he does it more for fun, having resigned me as a 'lost cause' in the art of talking in a neutral way that won't bruise anyone

[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

Shepard is not just their boss,but their friend too.Not just my opinion,lines are pretty clear about that

So?  My mom is pretty much my best friend ever, but out of respect, I don't tell her about all the naughty things I do.

[Valcutio]

Siona wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

Ah, no they don't. Surprisingly, I don't go around wearing a shirt screaming my preferences anymore than a straight person does. If a gay person hits on a straight person, that straight person has to admit to being straight, exactly the same as a straight person hitting on a gay person who then has to let them know they're gay. It works both ways, people, and assumptions generally suck.

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

In real life you don't need to tell people that you're afraid of the dark. In a video game, if it's not explicitely stated - it's assumed that the character isn't.

Assumptions, generalizations and stereotypes can suck. Unfortunately, there's a reason they exist. A lot of the time they're wrong - but a person would be naive to believe they're wrong most of the time.

[Wereparrot]

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

roleplaying Shepherd as gay was a figment of your imagination.

Apparently not, because ME3 will explicitly support the "he's gay" interpretation of my lonely celibateshep's self-love cabin sessions.

Notice I said it was. I am resigned, but I still hope for a compromise whereby all previous LIs remain as they were. But really I believe your celibate Shepherd should stay that way.

Why? Do you have some evidence that suggests he must actually be The Only Gay in Space rather than The Only Gay On The Normandy Until ME3?

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I though Shepard's a SpaceVampire.

Twelve disciples, bro.

I'm a goddamn Yathzee fanboy! He said SpaceVampire and so do I!










That was a joke.

[AdmiralCheez]

Wereparrot wrote...

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

Incessant minority whining is the only reason I have a job and can vote, dude.

Don't diss whining.

[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

I think token gay squadmates to appease people is a segregationist solution. Like former squadmates are too pure or sacred to ever have anything added to their characterization, let alone that horrible, horrible thing called same sex relationship, so we have to make another new, separate door so the queers can get in the room too.

I'd like people to understand those squadmates aren't theirs exclusively. It's not their Garrus, their Kaidan. I have bought the game too, you know. Kaidan is mine as much as he is yours. You have exactly the same right to not want him have anything added as I have to want it and to express it.

I haven't yet read one argument about how an option to let Shepard start the romance (so people who don't pick that dialogue option won't ever see anything of the new relationship), is a bad solution. The mere existence of anything other than heterosexual content may annoy some, but that is a personal feeling, not an argument to have it removed from the game.

because those characters arent gay/bi?
i mean why isnt the relationship available earlier? seems really arbitary and forced.

i havent yet read one argument about how they should let you romance characters that were straight in ME1/2 in ME3 in an s/s relationship. well not a good argument anyways. all i hear is "well they COULD be bi" and "wahhhhh he's my character too!".

whats wrong with garrus or kaidan being straight? they've been straight so far, makes sense they'd continue to be. breaking down and changing characters to sate some whiney angst does not seem like the answer.

at htat point its not "i want to be able to be gay/bi and be in an s/s relationship so i feel represented in the game" its more like "gimme gimme gimme! i want it i want it want it! why can't i have THIS ONE?!?!?!"

[Erani]

Wereparrot wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

roleplaying Shepherd as gay was a figment of your imagination.

Apparently not, because ME3 will explicitly support the "he's gay" interpretation of my lonely celibateshep's self-love cabin sessions.

Notice I said it was. I am resigned, but I still hope for a compromise whereby all previous LIs remain as they were. But really I believe your celibate Shepherd should stay that way.

Why? Do you have some evidence that suggests he must actually be The Only Gay in Space rather than The Only Gay On The Normandy Until ME3?

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

No need for personal attacks. Make your point in a civil manner and stay on topic.

I wonder when we'll have more into on this James Vega. Most of us are assuming he's indeed gonna be the m/m.

[MACharlie1]

Valcutio wrote...

Siona wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

Ah, no they don't. Surprisingly, I don't go around wearing a shirt screaming my preferences anymore than a straight person does. If a gay person hits on a straight person, that straight person has to admit to being straight, exactly the same as a straight person hitting on a gay person who then has to let them know they're gay. It works both ways, people, and assumptions generally suck.

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

In real life you don't need to tell people that you're afraid of the dark. In a video game, if it's not explicitely stated - it's assumed that the character isn't.

Assumptions, generalizations and stereotypes can suck. Unfortunately, there's a reason they exist. A lot of the time they're wrong - but a person would be naive to believe they're wrong most of the time.

Not quite. Since it can assumed from the dialog choices and how that character responds. Lets take a potential James Vega dialog:

"So I turned around and Cody elbows me right in the face! Shattered my nose!" 

Dialoge respones: - Ouch!
                                  - Wouldn't want your good looks to be ruined.  
                                 -You deserved it!

Obviously the second one is the flirty option. James Vega responds appropiatly: "Oh...thanks. I see all you've been through hasn't ruined your good looks."

Romance initiated. Vega didn't say anything about liking men. He just flirted right back to Shepard in this horribly written dialog since I have no writing skills whatsoever. 
                   

[Clonedzero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

Incessant minority whining is the only reason I have a job and can vote, dude.

Don't diss whining.

are you referring to women?
actually theres slightly more women in the US than men so women arent a minority, technically they're the majority based off current census data by .7%

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Siona wrote...

If a gay person hits on a straight person, that straight person has to admit to being straight, exactly the same as a straight person hitting on a gay person who then has to let them know they're gay.

Really?  Can't people just say, "Sorry, I don't date people with asses that big."?

[SalsaDMA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Shepard is not just their boss,but their friend too.Not just my opinion,lines are pretty clear about that

So?  My mom is pretty much my best friend ever, but out of respect, I don't tell her about all the naughty things I do.

I don't think you can categorize parents in the same category as regular friends, tbh.

I am pretty open with my parents about what I do or don't do, I'm still not gonna go into some of the talk I do with my friends.

They certainly know about me being straigth and digging hot women, though. Somehow they even managed to pick up that I seem to have a thing for blondes. Astounding, isn't it?

[Russalka]

I wish there was a new, exclusively gay character. But that will not happen, because it is not very economic.

[Wereparrot]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

oh i wasnt counting liara and femshep because for the longest time no one considered that s/s but i guess everyone is now?

i remember all the old s/s support threads where people would go "what about liara?" and people would respond "she's not technically female, so that doesnt count".

but we're counting her now?

It's called denial.  They were skirting around the issue because they didn't want to admit that Shepard could be a lesbian.

And let us not forget Kelly.

Of course humans are going to describe asari as female, for the purposes of easy reference and understanding. It does not make them so.
 
And Kelly never counted as a serious romance anyway.

And that my friend, you have just hit the nail on the head. To the ASARI, they are not female. But to a HUMAN FEMALE SHEPARD she is a female therefore, in order for a human female to be attracted to an asari she'd have to be bisexual/lesbian.

But Liara explains her nature to Shepherd. Hence, Shepherd understands.

[AngelicMachinery]

Erani wrote...

No need for personal attacks. Make your point in a civil manner and stay on topic.

I wonder when we'll have more into on this James Vega. Most of us are assuming he's indeed gonna be the m/m.

Isn't he suppose to be a muscle bound type... could he be the strong macho man M/M types have been asking bioware for?

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 19 mai 2011 - 07:37 .

[Polliot]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Shepard is not just their boss,but their friend too.Not just my opinion,lines are pretty clear about that

So?  My mom is pretty much my best friend ever, but out of respect, I don't tell her about all the naughty things I do.

So you consider that being homosexual is a naughty thing?

[Russalka]

Clonedzero wrote...

are you referring to women?
actually theres slightly more women in the US than men so women arent a minority, technically they're the majority based off current census data by .7%

The complainers were a minority.

[AdmiralCheez]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I don't think you can categorize parents in the same category as regular friends, tbh.

I am pretty open with my parents about what I do or don't do, I'm still not gonna go into some of the talk I do with my friends.

They certainly know about me being straigth and digging hot women, though. Somehow they even managed to pick up that I seem to have a thing for blondes. Astounding, isn't it?

But here's the thing, though: not everyone brags about their sexual exploits.

Also, "I had the most delicious salad last night" does not mean "I don't eat meat."

[thatguy212]

Wereparrot wrote...

But Liara explains her nature to Shepherd. Hence, Shepherd understands.

Its already been established that she was lying to get into shepard's pants

[Wereparrot]

rynluna wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

And your Shepard is going to remain straight.  How about that?! 

Yes, mine will continue to follow the orientation originally planned for him by Bioware... 

[Valcutio]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Siona wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

Ah, no they don't. Surprisingly, I don't go around wearing a shirt screaming my preferences anymore than a straight person does. If a gay person hits on a straight person, that straight person has to admit to being straight, exactly the same as a straight person hitting on a gay person who then has to let them know they're gay. It works both ways, people, and assumptions generally suck.

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

In real life you don't need to tell people that you're afraid of the dark. In a video game, if it's not explicitely stated - it's assumed that the character isn't.

Assumptions, generalizations and stereotypes can suck. Unfortunately, there's a reason they exist. A lot of the time they're wrong - but a person would be naive to believe they're wrong most of the time.

Not quite. Since it can assumed from the dialog choices and how that character responds. Lets take a potential James Vega dialog:

"So I turned around and Cody elbows me right in the face! Shattered my nose!" 

Dialoge respones: - Ouch!
                                  - Wouldn't want your good looks to be ruined.  
                                 -You deserved it!

Obviously the second one is the flirty option. James Vega responds appropiatly: "Oh...thanks. I see all you've been through hasn't ruined your good looks."

Romance initiated. Vega didn't say anything about liking men. He just flirted right back to Shepard in this horribly written dialog since I have no writing skills whatsoever. 
                   

To be fair, your writing skills were on par with DA2, if not better.

[LiquidGrape]

Valcutio wrote...

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

But that assumption is completely unwarranted. We cannot accurately assume anything about anyone without the subsequent confirmation that our assumption was correct.

This is why assumptions are reductive, and why we shouldn't encourage them.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 19 mai 2011 - 07:40 .

[Clonedzero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Shepard is not just their boss,but their friend too.Not just my opinion,lines are pretty clear about that

So?  My mom is pretty much my best friend ever, but out of respect, I don't tell her about all the naughty things I do.

well when you ask this specific friend as a PERSONAL favor to help you track down and kill a dude i dont think thats the kind of relationship where you hide your sexuality.
or when you ask them as a personal favor to track down their fathers missing ship.
or when you ask them to represent you in a trial where you're accused of being a traitor
ect.

you get where im going.