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[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

So you consider that being homosexual is a naughty thing?

Nope.

Downloading pr0nz and writing smut?  Nah, don't need to bring that up.

[ipgd]

Wereparrot wrote...

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

My Shepard will be exactly as straight as he was in ME1. That is, not at all. Because he never touched any of the ladies, or expressed any interest in them.

Unfortunately for you, your minority's incessant whining isn't nearly as charming or fabulous as ours.

[MACharlie1]

Valcutio wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Siona wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

Ah, no they don't. Surprisingly, I don't go around wearing a shirt screaming my preferences anymore than a straight person does. If a gay person hits on a straight person, that straight person has to admit to being straight, exactly the same as a straight person hitting on a gay person who then has to let them know they're gay. It works both ways, people, and assumptions generally suck.

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

In real life you don't need to tell people that you're afraid of the dark. In a video game, if it's not explicitely stated - it's assumed that the character isn't.

Assumptions, generalizations and stereotypes can suck. Unfortunately, there's a reason they exist. A lot of the time they're wrong - but a person would be naive to believe they're wrong most of the time.

Not quite. Since it can assumed from the dialog choices and how that character responds. Lets take a potential James Vega dialog:

"So I turned around and Cody elbows me right in the face! Shattered my nose!" 

Dialoge respones: - Ouch!
                                  - Wouldn't want your good looks to be ruined.  
                                 -You deserved it!

Obviously the second one is the flirty option. James Vega responds appropiatly: "Oh...thanks. I see all you've been through hasn't ruined your good looks."

Romance initiated. Vega didn't say anything about liking men. He just flirted right back to Shepard in this horribly written dialog since I have no writing skills whatsoever. 
                   

To be fair, your writing skills were on par with DA2, if not better.

To be honest, the looks part was ripped from DA2. 

[Erani]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Erani wrote...

No need for personal attacks. Make your point in a civil manner and stay on topic.

I wonder when we'll have more into on this James Vega. Most of us are assuming he's indeed gonna be the m/m.

Isn't he suppose to be a muscle bound type... could he be the strong macho man M/M types have been asking bioware for?

I hope so!<3

[Polliot]

Valcutio wrote...

Siona wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

"But they dont have to say they're gay to be gay!"

Yes, they do.

Ah, no they don't. Surprisingly, I don't go around wearing a shirt screaming my preferences anymore than a straight person does. If a gay person hits on a straight person, that straight person has to admit to being straight, exactly the same as a straight person hitting on a gay person who then has to let them know they're gay. It works both ways, people, and assumptions generally suck.

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

In real life you don't need to tell people that you're afraid of the dark. In a video game, if it's not explicitely stated - it's assumed that the character isn't.

Assumptions, generalizations and stereotypes can suck. Unfortunately, there's a reason they exist. A lot of the time they're wrong - but a person would be naive to believe they're wrong most of the time.

I like this guy,seems to be the most logical and most reasonable person here

[AdmiralCheez]

Clonedzero wrote...

well when you ask this specific friend as a PERSONAL favor to help you track down and kill a dude i dont think thats the kind of relationship where you hide your sexuality.
or when you ask them as a personal favor to track down their fathers missing ship.
or when you ask them to represent you in a trial where you're accused of being a traitor
ect.

you get where im going.

"By the way, after we kill this guy, can we have sex?"

YEP.  SMOOTH.

[AngelicMachinery]

Wereparrot wrote...

rynluna wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

And your Shepard is going to remain straight.  How about that?! 

Yes, mine will continue to follow the orientation originally planned for him by Bioware... 

Great,  I'm happy your going to continue to have heterosexual sex in
the missionary position for the purposes of procreation.  Now,  let
others indulge in their own desires and we can all be happy.

[AdmiralCheez]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Great,  I'm happy your going to continue to have heterosexual sex in
the missionary position for the purposes of procreation.  Now,  let
others indulge in their own desires and we can all be happy.

Missionary?

How hideously uncreative.

[Polliot]

Clonedzero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Shepard is not just their boss,but their friend too.Not just my opinion,lines are pretty clear about that

So?  My mom is pretty much my best friend ever, but out of respect, I don't tell her about all the naughty things I do.

well when you ask this specific friend as a PERSONAL favor to help you track down and kill a dude i dont think thats the kind of relationship where you hide your sexuality.
or when you ask them as a personal favor to track down their fathers missing ship.
or when you ask them to represent you in a trial where you're accused of being a traitor
ect.

you get where im going.

Exactly. Compared to those things,it wouldn't make any sense to hide their bisexuality/homosexuality from Shepard

[Clonedzero]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

The problem is you (and a few others) are confusing the game with real life.

In a video game, you have a set amount of time to get to know a character. You dont talk to that same character every day for the next month or year. You get maybe 10 conversations ballpark with that character.

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

But that assumption is completely unwarranted. We cannot accurately assume anything about anyone without the subsequent confirmation that our assumption was correct.

it is warrented. its the biological default. only accuring in a low amount of people. i find that funny actually, that you're acting like its insulting to assume someone who acts straight is straight. whats wrong with that? if you dont want people to think you're straight then dont act straight i guess?

[Erani]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Great,  I'm happy your going to continue to have heterosexual sex in
the missionary position for the purposes of procreation.  Now,  let
others indulge in their own desires and we can all be happy.

Missionary?

How hideously uncreative.

LOL That's too funny.

[SalsaDMA]

Wereparrot wrote...

But Liara explains her nature to Shepherd. Hence, Shepherd understands.

Regarding that, I always felt it funny that Liara stated she was a child, and Shepard not even pushing for moral details or anything before jumping in bed with her. As far as he knows, he's being a 'nasty old man' with a girl just because he likes what he sees...

Even more funny that Fox news decided to hit on the "blue female alien with female human" thing, instead of the vastly more disturbing innuendo of shepard not examing proper into the background of Asari adulthood before taking her to bed after she told him she was just a child.

[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

Exactly. Compared to those things,it wouldn't make any sense to hide their bisexuality/homosexuality from Shepard

Not if you don't consider your sexual orientation important enough to blurt all the time.

Seriously, some people just don't care enough to talk about it all the time.

[Xsause]

Polliot wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Shepard is not just their boss,but their friend too.Not just my opinion,lines are pretty clear about that

So?  My mom is pretty much my best friend ever, but out of respect, I don't tell her about all the naughty things I do.

well when you ask this specific friend as a PERSONAL favor to help you track down and kill a dude i dont think thats the kind of relationship where you hide your sexuality.
or when you ask them as a personal favor to track down their fathers missing ship.
or when you ask them to represent you in a trial where you're accused of being a traitor
ect.

you get where im going.

Exactly. Compared to those things,it wouldn't make any sense to hide their bisexuality/homosexuality from Shepard

They don't hide it. Their sexuality just doesn't come up in normal conversation, mostly because Shepard never asks.

[Russalka]

There can be any number of reasons why a person won't tell and vice-versa.

[ipgd]

Clonedzero wrote...

it is warrented. its the biological default. only accuring in a low amount of people. i find that funny actually, that you're acting like its insulting to assume someone who acts straight is straight. whats wrong with that? if you dont want people to think you're straight then dont act straight i guess?

For gawd's sake, nobody has ever said that it's wrong to assume that most people are straight. Most people are, in fact, straight. You will be right 95% of the time in your assumptions. But it still an assumption, you will be wrong 5% of the time, and because you are not the ultimate quantum observer of sexuality, your assumptions do not eliminate that 5% window of fabulocity.

Modifié par ipgd, 19 mai 2011 - 07:47 .

[Polliot]

Russalka wrote...

There can be any number of reasons why a person won't tell and vice-versa.

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

[SalsaDMA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I don't think you can categorize parents in the same category as regular friends, tbh.

I am pretty open with my parents about what I do or don't do, I'm still not gonna go into some of the talk I do with my friends.

They certainly know about me being straigth and digging hot women, though. Somehow they even managed to pick up that I seem to have a thing for blondes. Astounding, isn't it?

But here's the thing, though: not everyone brags about their sexual exploits.

Also, "I had the most delicious salad last night" does not mean "I don't eat meat."

There's a difference between 'bragging' and just stating to your friends when a hot girl walks by out of earshot: "Damn... She wouldn't have to walk around my beds too many times...." or "Now there's somebody that I would allow to crumb in my bed the morning after..."

[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

well when you ask this specific friend as a PERSONAL favor to help you track down and kill a dude i dont think thats the kind of relationship where you hide your sexuality.
or when you ask them as a personal favor to track down their fathers missing ship.
or when you ask them to represent you in a trial where you're accused of being a traitor
ect.

you get where im going.

So whenever you have to ask someone for a favor, you immediately talk to that person about your sexual orientation.

Wow, that's rather creepy.

stop purposely missing the point. its making you seem dumber than you probably are.

the point is, if they trust shepard enough to ask for that kind of stuff and are on that level of trust and friendship then shepard should already be aware through casual conversation unless said character was hiding the fact (which is entirely plausible i agree)

however if they are hiding that they're bi/gay then it becomes a rather large part of the character and a big deal for that character to reveal it. thus leading to the ultra lame melodramatic coming out plotline

[Servo to the bitter end]

Polliot wrote...

Russalka wrote...

There can be any number of reasons why a person won't tell and vice-versa.

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Imminent civilization destroying invasion by Cthulhu robots?

[Russalka]

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

How about we find out first, instead of wasting our time and energy on disagreeing all the time?

Modifié par Russalka, 19 mai 2011 - 07:48 .

[ipgd]

Polliot wrote...

Russalka wrote...

There can be any number of reasons why a person won't tell and vice-versa.

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

That's up to the writers to explain.