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[AdmiralCheez]

SalsaDMA wrote...

There's a difference between 'bragging' and just stating to your friends when a hot girl walks by out of earshot: "Damn... She wouldn't have to walk around my beds too many times...." or "Now there's somebody that I would allow to crumb in my bed the morning after..."

Yeah, well, there's hardly any cat-calling in Mass Effect at all, is there?

[Servo to the bitter end]

Russalka wrote...

How about we find out first, instead of wasting our time and energy upon disagreeing all the time?

Aaaaaaaand this.

[Polliot]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

And before that,they were all facing suicide mission,expecting to die,so...it would be the best time to get out with everything,I guess...

[Xsause]

Polliot wrote...

Russalka wrote...

There can be any number of reasons why a person won't tell and vice-versa.

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Because Shepard actually makes a move on them, thus prompting them to bring up their sexuality - and even then they won't clarify on whether they're straight, bi or gay directly. You couldn't know if Garrus was into Shepard, for example, because that particular subject never came up in conversations with him. It's only when Shepard starts hitting on Garrus that the player finds out he is indeed interested.

Modifié par Xsause, 19 mai 2011 - 07:50 .

[Clonedzero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

save the melodrama for stupid TV shows like Glee and stuff.

i want ME characters to be more interesting than that. tell me about how you have a baby robot embedded in your brain to help you think faster, or how they have a evil clone twin, or i dunno, SOMETHING more interesting than the awkward, uncomfortable melo dramatic "shepard.....i'm gay..... and i love you!!!!!" convos

[AdmiralCheez]

Polliot wrote...

And before that,they were all facing suicide mission,expecting to die,so...it would be the best time to get out with everything,I guess...

You get a lot closer to people after surviving the first go-round.

[SalsaDMA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

Why not do that before embarking on said suicide mission they didn't expect to return from then?

[Erani]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

Perhaps they needed more time to express their feelings to Shepard. After all, same-sex couples are not common even though they are accepted. Maybe they assume that Shepard is straight and not interested in them.

[Wereparrot]

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

My Shepard will be exactly as straight as he was in ME1. That is, not at all. Because he never touched any of the ladies, or expressed any interest in them.

Unfortunately for you, your minority's incessant whining isn't nearly as charming or fabulous as ours.

You mean the No camp isn't populated by holier-than thou types. We can't get decent arguments across without being shouted down at every turn, and for your type patting yourselves on the back and declaring that Bioware listened to the fans. Maybe so, but not very many of them, just the ones feeling aggrieved at the established orientation of Shepherd. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Clonedzero wrote...

save the melodrama for stupid TV shows like Glee and stuff.

i want ME characters to be more interesting than that. tell me about how you have a baby robot embedded in your brain to help you think faster, or how they have a evil clone twin, or i dunno, SOMETHING more interesting than the awkward, uncomfortable melo dramatic "shepard.....i'm gay..... and i love you!!!!!" convos

I don't think it's going to work like that.

More like Shepard will be doing the confessing at a voluntary player prompt so that any melodrama is entirely self-induced.

[ipgd]

SalsaDMA wrote...

There's a difference between 'bragging' and just stating to your friends when a hot girl walks by out of earshot: "Damn... She wouldn't have to walk around my beds too many times...." or "Now there's somebody that I would allow to crumb in my bed the morning after..."

Not everyone does that.

Not everyone even means it, either. I hit on all of my female friends relentlessly. I call them "HOT STUFF" and "SEXY" more than their actual names. I have no interest in women, though I'm sure it would be easy to assume I do.

[LiquidGrape]

Clonedzero wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

In real life you don't need to identify your sexuality within a few conversations of meeting a new person - in a video game, a character needs to. Otherwise it's assumed as being straight (for reasons I stated earlier).

But that assumption is completely unwarranted. We cannot accurately assume anything about anyone without the subsequent confirmation that our assumption was correct.

it is warrented. its the biological default. only accuring in a low amount of people. i find that funny actually, that you're acting like its insulting to assume someone who acts straight is straight. whats wrong with that? if you dont want people to think you're straight then dont act straight i guess?

I repeat, it's not warranted, because:

A) Why do have to assume anything in the first place?
We cannot possibly be sure we are correct in that assumption anyway.

Exactly what is "acting straight"? Or "acting gay" for that matter?
Societal constructs aren't some kind of sexual-specific hive mind.

I'm a heterosexual male, yet I had no idea there was some biologically predefined personality-sensitive behavioural pattern by which I should abide. Was I assembled without the appropriate instruction booklet?

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 19 mai 2011 - 07:53 .

[Clonedzero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

well when you ask this specific friend as a PERSONAL favor to help you track down and kill a dude i dont think thats the kind of relationship where you hide your sexuality.
or when you ask them as a personal favor to track down their fathers missing ship.
or when you ask them to represent you in a trial where you're accused of being a traitor
ect.

you get where im going.

"By the way, after we kill this guy, can we have sex?"

YEP.  SMOOTH.

why are people purposely being dumb? did i miss a memo or something? lol

[AngelicMachinery]

Clonedzero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

save the melodrama for stupid TV shows like Glee and stuff.

i want ME characters to be more interesting than that. tell me about how you have a baby robot embedded in your brain to help you think faster, or how they have a evil clone twin, or i dunno, SOMETHING more interesting than the awkward, uncomfortable melo dramatic "shepard.....i'm gay..... and i love you!!!!!" convos

Male LI:  "You know what bro,  the way you weild your weapon really makes me grip my pistol.  Have you ever considered...  you know."

Shepherd:  "Constantly, lets have coitus."

No melodrama just men loving guns.

[SalsaDMA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

There's a difference between 'bragging' and just stating to your friends when a hot girl walks by out of earshot: "Damn... She wouldn't have to walk around my beds too many times...." or "Now there's somebody that I would allow to crumb in my bed the morning after..."

Yeah, well, there's hardly any cat-calling in Mass Effect at all, is there?

I would certainly have apreciated a few moments to be able to comment on Mirandas outfit a few times

[AdmiralCheez]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Why not do that before embarking on said suicide mission they didn't expect to return from then?

Like I said before, you get a whole helluva lot closer to the people you work with after surviving against impossible odds.

And Reapers are a bigger deal than Collectors.

[AdmiralCheez]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I would certainly have apreciated a few moments to be able to comment on Mirandas outfit a few times

You are part of the problem.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Clonedzero wrote...
why are people purposely being dumb? did i miss a memo or something? lol

It's gonna be a long 9-12 months.

[Heidenreich]

SalsaDMA wrote...

*epic quote snip*


Actually, between me and my friends it's pretty common to make innuendos about women and sex (or just comment parts of their physique in a way that leaves no doubt as to the interest in doing sexual stuff with them) on a timescale that could certainly be said to be somewhat 'common'. I asume it is a thing that varies within cultures or 'cricles of people'. But between guys where I live, it's pretty common to comment on stuff they'd like to do with 'fine women' when they hang out with other guys.

Except on a military cruser. Talking about your female or male crew members in a sexual tone within earshot of a superior will get you in trouble for... le gasp, sexual harrassment.

In ME: Kaiden has enough trouble telling female shepard that he likes her. Don't Ask, don't tell might not exist in Mass Effect's universe, but that doesn't mean a straight dude likes to be hit on. It wouldn't be done. The aliens don't express intrest at all (outside Liara). They dont know Shepard well enough, and all are wary of humans to one degree or another.

In ME2: Maybe dude shep just isn't into black dudes, frog men, and turians? Or he's secretly still pining for Kaiden (like femshep does).

So how is this game altering? Military protocol forbids fraternization, reguardless of gender. You're not suposed to sleep with your crewmates. Maybe Man!Shep is more military then Fem!shep and doesn't want to break protocol and make someone uncomfortable? Maybe Kaiden decided it wasn't a good idea to flirt with Shepard when he was his superior for fear that it would lead to uncomfortableness. Neither of them discuss Ashley's ass because she'd kill them with a punch to the throat.

Maybe they DID dicuss it, but its off camera, because.. you know.. we dont get to see shep or kaiden or the crew sleep or eat, so why couldn't they have had conversations outside the scope of the game window?

Is the idea that someone might be gay, maybe, possibly .. and just never bothered to talk about it because its not something you've had the time to discuss REALLY REALLY ultra game breaking? Seriously? Is it REALLY that much a threat to your personal orientation that conversation and voice overs will be available for us to chose to click on or not will exist?

It's a game. The idea that Kaiden or Ashley might ALSO at some point in their lives in some tangent of your personal time line for your personal shepard have had bisexual tendencies should in no way effect your life. If your Shepard is straight, then does it REALLY matter?

[ipgd]

Wereparrot wrote...

You mean the No camp isn't populated by holier-than thou types. We can't get decent arguments across without being shouted down at every turn, and for your type patting yourselves on the back and declaring that Bioware listened to the fans. Maybe so, but not very many of them, just the ones feeling aggrieved at the established orientation of Shepherd. 

... Oh, you honestly believe this?

[Clonedzero]

LiquidGrape wrote...

I repeat, it's not warranted, because:

A) Why do have to assume anything in the first place?
We cannot possibly be sure we are correct in that assumption anyway.

Exactly what is "acting straight"? Or "acting gay" for that matter?
Societal constructs aren't some kind of sexual-specific hive mind.

I'm a heterosexual male, yet I had no idea there was some biologically predefined behavioural pattern by which I should abide. Was I assembled without the appropriate instruction booklet?

thats a SUPER silly way to look at things.

i can't possibly be sure that you're not really some hyper advanced government computer sent to waste my time and argue about pointless video game relationships on a forum to distract me from the troubles of the world, but i can pretty safely say with a very high degree of certainty that you're most likely just a person.

can i be sure im absolutely 100% correct? no. but i think ill continue to assume you're an actual person instead of a computer trying to mess with me.

[Xsause]

Clonedzero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

save the melodrama for stupid TV shows like Glee and stuff.

i want ME characters to be more interesting than that. tell me about how you have a baby robot embedded in your brain to help you think faster, or how they have a evil clone twin, or i dunno, SOMETHING more interesting than the awkward, uncomfortable melo dramatic "shepard.....i'm gay..... and i love you!!!!!" convos

Not every romance has to enter "I JUST DISCOVERED I LIKE GUYS AND I TOTALLY LOVE YOU!" territory, just so you know. They could be about a close bond between friends that turns into something more as the days go by, for example. I think that something we can all agree on is that gradual development of character relationships is better than throwing it all out in an instant.

[Russalka]

How does one act straight?

[JediMB]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Regarding that, I always felt it funny that Liara stated she was a child, and Shepard not even pushing for moral details or anything before jumping in bed with her.

I always find it funny that people twist what Liara actually said into something completely different.

Liara is an adult, but expresses dismay over that older Asari don't take her conclusions on the extinction of the Protheans seriously because she is still young.

A 20-something human would likely also be met with the same attitude if s-/he presented a theory that all the experts in whatever field we're talking about have failed to consider even after 30 or 40 years of studies.

[Siansonea]

SalsaDMA wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

There's a difference between 'bragging' and just stating to your friends when a hot girl walks by out of earshot: "Damn... She wouldn't have to walk around my beds too many times...." or "Now there's somebody that I would allow to crumb in my bed the morning after..."

Yeah, well, there's hardly any cat-calling in Mass Effect at all, is there?

I would certainly have apreciated a few moments to be able to comment on Mirandas outfit a few times

Hey, that's right. At no point does Shepard say "Whoa Miranda, you want some fries with that shake! Woohoo! Wanna get some brewskis and come up to my quarters?". He doesn't even have the opportunity to say it! Since Shepard does not act like a stereotypical heterosexual frat boy, I have to assume that he's gay. I mean, he doesn't fit the straight stereotype. Oh my God, y'all, that means all Shepards are GAY! I've proven it!!!!!!

Modifié par Siansonea II, 19 mai 2011 - 07:56 .