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[jlb524]

TommyServo wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
why are people purposely being dumb? did i miss a memo or something? lol

It's gonna be a long 9-12 months.

I think things will get better with E3 when there will be more ME3 stuff to talk about. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Clonedzero wrote...

thats a SUPER silly way to look at things.

i can't possibly be sure that you're not really some hyper advanced government computer sent to waste my time and argue about pointless video game relationships on a forum to distract me from the troubles of the world, but i can pretty safely say with a very high degree of certainty that you're most likely just a person.

can i be sure im absolutely 100% correct? no. but i think ill continue to assume you're an actual person instead of a computer trying to mess with me.

What he's trying to say is that there is no defined way that all gays or all straights MUST act.

My best friend from high school?  Girliest guy in the class.  100% straight.

Picture-perfect goody-two-shoes cheerleader-type that liked unicorns and Jesus?  Lesbian.

[Valcutio]

Russalka wrote...

How does one act straight?

We start by not having Rocky Horror icons for web forums.

[PMC65]

thatguy212 wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

But Liara explains her nature to Shepherd. Hence, Shepherd understands.

Its already been established that she was lying to get into shepard's pants

Are we still on this? To find Liara attractive, one would need to find the feminine form attractive, breasts and all.

If the Asaris looked like males then my femshep that likes females would not have been attracted to Liara. If  someone who looks like a guy tells a guy "well, technically I am not a guy ... wink, wink." do you really think that a straight dude would say, "Well in that case ... come here big hairy man, er ... big hairy alien who isn't a man."

[Erani]

Wereparrot wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

There was never a gay option to begin with. For cost reasons, I understand, but thereafter I believe Shepherd should remain as straight as in ME1.

So if Bioware had not bowed to the incessant whining from a minority, it would be your loss.

My Shepard will be exactly as straight as he was in ME1. That is, not at all. Because he never touched any of the ladies, or expressed any interest in them.

Unfortunately for you, your minority's incessant whining isn't nearly as charming or fabulous as ours.

You mean the No camp isn't populated by holier-than thou types. We can't get decent arguments across without being shouted down at every turn, and for your type patting yourselves on the back and declaring that Bioware listened to the fans. Maybe so, but not very many of them, just the ones feeling aggrieved at the established orientation of Shepherd. 

Please, as if you have any way to know how many fans want  s/s content or not. You and others keep making off-topic posts, and those of us who try to initiate discussions on s/s romances in ME3 (the topic) get ignored. For example, saying that there shouldn't be m/m content in ME3 because there was none in ME1/2 is off-topic. BioWare has confirmed that there will be m/m, so this thread is to express our opinions on its implementation (no old characters bi, new bi, whatever) not to write endless posts on how Shepard should have "been gay" since ME1 and so forth. 

Modifié par Erani, 19 mai 2011 - 07:58 .

[Wereparrot]

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

You mean the No camp isn't populated by holier-than thou types. We can't get decent arguments across without being shouted down at every turn, and for your type patting yourselves on the back and declaring that Bioware listened to the fans. Maybe so, but not very many of them, just the ones feeling aggrieved at the established orientation of Shepherd. 

... Oh, you honestly believe this?

That you display a distinctly holier-than-thou atitude? Or that you are in a minority, cmpared with the rest of this board and any number of fans not on this board?

[Russalka]

Valcutio wrote...
We start by not having Rocky Horror icons for web forums.

Oh, so it is stereotypes. That is rather offensive though.

Or were you joking?

[Valcutio]

Russalka wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
We start by not having Rocky Horror icons for web forums.

Oh, so it is stereotypes. That is rather offensive though.

Or were you joking?

I was joking. I'm known for having a sense of humor... Well, I think I'm funny.

[AngelicMachinery]

Valcutio wrote...

Russalka wrote...

How does one act straight?

We start by not having Rocky Horror icons for web forums.

You don't need to be bi/gay to enjoy the awesomeness that is Tim Curry.

[Clonedzero]

Heidenreich wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

*epic quote snip*


Actually, between me and my friends it's pretty common to make innuendos about women and sex (or just comment parts of their physique in a way that leaves no doubt as to the interest in doing sexual stuff with them) on a timescale that could certainly be said to be somewhat 'common'. I asume it is a thing that varies within cultures or 'cricles of people'. But between guys where I live, it's pretty common to comment on stuff they'd like to do with 'fine women' when they hang out with other guys.

Except on a military cruser. Talking about your female or male crew members in a sexual tone within earshot of a superior will get you in trouble for... le gasp, sexual harrassment.

In ME: Kaiden has enough trouble telling female shepard that he likes her. Don't Ask, don't tell might not exist in Mass Effect's universe, but that doesn't mean a straight dude likes to be hit on. It wouldn't be done. The aliens don't express intrest at all (outside Liara). They dont know Shepard well enough, and all are wary of humans to one degree or another.

In ME2: Maybe dude shep just isn't into black dudes, frog men, and turians? Or he's secretly still pining for Kaiden (like femshep does).

So how is this game altering? Military protocol forbids fraternization, reguardless of gender. You're not suposed to sleep with your crewmates. Maybe Man!Shep is more military then Fem!shep and doesn't want to break protocol and make someone uncomfortable? Maybe Kaiden decided it wasn't a good idea to flirt with Shepard when he was his superior for fear that it would lead to uncomfortableness. Neither of them discuss Ashley's ass because she'd kill them with a punch to the throat.

Maybe they DID dicuss it, but its off camera, because.. you know.. we dont get to see shep or kaiden or the crew sleep or eat, so why couldn't they have had conversations outside the scope of the game window?

Is the idea that someone might be gay, maybe, possibly .. and just never bothered to talk about it because its not something you've had the time to discuss REALLY REALLY ultra game breaking? Seriously? Is it REALLY that much a threat to your personal orientation that conversation and voice overs will be available for us to chose to click on or not will exist?

It's a game. The idea that Kaiden or Ashley might ALSO at some point in their lives in some tangent of your personal time line for your personal shepard have had bisexual tendencies should in no way effect your life. If your Shepard is straight, then does it REALLY matter?

justifying chararization that proves a squadmate is gay off-camera is pretty silly because for them to be a LI that characterization is pretty relevent to their character.

so your entire point is baseless

[Russalka]

I'll just do the time warp again, then.

[ipgd]

Clonedzero wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

I repeat, it's not warranted, because:

A) Why do have to assume anything in the first place?
We cannot possibly be sure we are correct in that assumption anyway.

Exactly what is "acting straight"? Or "acting gay" for that matter?
Societal constructs aren't some kind of sexual-specific hive mind.

I'm a heterosexual male, yet I had no idea there was some biologically predefined behavioural pattern by which I should abide. Was I assembled without the appropriate instruction booklet?

thats a SUPER silly way to look at things.

i can't possibly be sure that you're not really some hyper advanced government computer sent to waste my time and argue about pointless video game relationships on a forum to distract me from the troubles of the world, but i can pretty safely say with a very high degree of certainty that you're most likely just a person.

can i be sure im absolutely 100% correct? no. but i think ill continue to assume you're an actual person instead of a computer trying to mess with me.

You're free to assume, but you can't assume your assumptions are always correct and you can't get mad when you're wrong after making an assumption that has a 5% chance of being wrong.

[SalsaDMA]

ipgd wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

There's a difference between 'bragging' and just stating to your friends when a hot girl walks by out of earshot: "Damn... She wouldn't have to walk around my beds too many times...." or "Now there's somebody that I would allow to crumb in my bed the morning after..."

Not everyone does that.

Not everyone even means it, either. I hit on all of my female friends relentlessly. I call them "HOT STUFF" and "SEXY" more than their actual names. I have no interest in women, though I'm sure it would be easy to assume I do.

There's the distinction of ... how do you say it.... Feel? to how you say things.

If I feel comfortably around my friends, we can throw jokes around about implying homosexual tendencies as well, because we know they are just jokes and not earnest. when you get to know people you establish a pattern of recognizing the 'whole joking' from the 'less joking'. For instance, I would never make homosexual inuendos with a guy I didn't know, cause there would be a chance he actually thought it wasn't a joke. With friends where everyone knows each others sexual/religious/whatever orientation, you can throw any joke around, regardless of concept. Because you feel 'safe' from being misunderstood.

So there is a far cry from making 'safe' jokes or 'funny flirting' with people, and to do it with people you are not 'safe' with.

On another note, without trying to offend you, you do realize also, that gay guys shamelessly flirting with girls is just as stereotypical as the prancing gay guy, right? If anything, I will guess people will take an overemphasized flirting of that kind as a hint of the stereotypical gay than anything else.

[Valcutio]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Russalka wrote...

How does one act straight?

We start by not having Rocky Horror icons for web forums.

You don't need to be bi/gay to enjoy the awesomeness that is Tim Curry.

I think we can all agree that Tim Curry is made of win.

[PMC65]

Clonedzero wrote...

save the melodrama for stupid TV shows like Glee and stuff.

Leave Mordin out of this ....

[ipgd]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Male LI:  "You know what bro,  the way you weild your weapon really makes me grip my pistol.  Have you ever considered...  you know."

Shepherd:  "Constantly, lets have coitus."

No melodrama just men loving guns.

I like this post and I am quoting it for posterity.

[Clonedzero]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

thats a SUPER silly way to look at things.

i can't possibly be sure that you're not really some hyper advanced government computer sent to waste my time and argue about pointless video game relationships on a forum to distract me from the troubles of the world, but i can pretty safely say with a very high degree of certainty that you're most likely just a person.

can i be sure im absolutely 100% correct? no. but i think ill continue to assume you're an actual person instead of a computer trying to mess with me.

What he's trying to say is that there is no defined way that all gays or all straights MUST act.

My best friend from high school?  Girliest guy in the class.  100% straight.

Picture-perfect goody-two-shoes cheerleader-type that liked unicorns and Jesus?  Lesbian.

you misinterpret "acting straight", that only means "being physically attracted to the opposite sex and showing signs of it". which you can completely still do if you're wearing super tight jeans and singing showtunes.

[SalsaDMA]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Polliot wrote...

So why do they tell in ME3? What changed since the end of ME2?

Well, they've kind of all survived a suicide mission together and the world is about to end, so...  Out with everything, I guess...

save the melodrama for stupid TV shows like Glee and stuff.

i want ME characters to be more interesting than that. tell me about how you have a baby robot embedded in your brain to help you think faster, or how they have a evil clone twin, or i dunno, SOMETHING more interesting than the awkward, uncomfortable melo dramatic "shepard.....i'm gay..... and i love you!!!!!" convos

Male LI:  "You know what bro,  the way you weild your weapon really makes me grip my pistol.  Have you ever considered...  you know."

Shepherd:  "Constantly, lets have coitus."

No melodrama just men loving guns.

Tbh, done that way it would certainly fly over my head and I would risk picking the wrong option because I was clueless at what was being hinted at

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

You mean the No camp isn't populated by holier-than thou types. We can't get decent arguments across without being shouted down at every turn, and for your type patting yourselves on the back and declaring that Bioware listened to the fans. Maybe so, but not very many of them, just the ones feeling aggrieved at the established orientation of Shepherd. 

... Oh, you honestly believe this?

That you display a distinctly holier-than-thou atitude? Or that you are in a minority, cmpared with the rest of this board and any number of fans not on this board?

Sorry, Wereparrot, but you, ClonedZero, and SalsaDMC (?) actually don't constitute a majority. In fact, pretty much every poll I've ever seen on this subject shows that the vast "majority" of people SIMPLY DON'T CARE. So, good luck on your math SATs.

[AdmiralCheez]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Tbh, done that way it would certainly fly over my head and I would risk picking the wrong option because I was clueless at what was being hinted at

The reach and flexibility thing went completely over your head, too, didn't it?

[Clonedzero]

ipgd wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

I repeat, it's not warranted, because:

A) Why do have to assume anything in the first place?
We cannot possibly be sure we are correct in that assumption anyway.

Exactly what is "acting straight"? Or "acting gay" for that matter?
Societal constructs aren't some kind of sexual-specific hive mind.

I'm a heterosexual male, yet I had no idea there was some biologically predefined behavioural pattern by which I should abide. Was I assembled without the appropriate instruction booklet?

thats a SUPER silly way to look at things.

i can't possibly be sure that you're not really some hyper advanced government computer sent to waste my time and argue about pointless video game relationships on a forum to distract me from the troubles of the world, but i can pretty safely say with a very high degree of certainty that you're most likely just a person.

can i be sure im absolutely 100% correct? no. but i think ill continue to assume you're an actual person instead of a computer trying to mess with me.

You're free to assume, but you can't assume your assumptions are always correct and you can't get mad when you're wrong after making an assumption that has a 5% chance of being wrong.

you fo know what the word assume means right?

[Siansonea]

Clonedzero wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

thats a SUPER silly way to look at things.

i can't possibly be sure that you're not really some hyper advanced government computer sent to waste my time and argue about pointless video game relationships on a forum to distract me from the troubles of the world, but i can pretty safely say with a very high degree of certainty that you're most likely just a person.

can i be sure im absolutely 100% correct? no. but i think ill continue to assume you're an actual person instead of a computer trying to mess with me.

What he's trying to say is that there is no defined way that all gays or all straights MUST act.

My best friend from high school?  Girliest guy in the class.  100% straight.

Picture-perfect goody-two-shoes cheerleader-type that liked unicorns and Jesus?  Lesbian.

you misinterpret "acting straight", that only means "being physically attracted to the opposite sex and showing signs of it". which you can completely still do if you're wearing super tight jeans and singing showtunes.

So when did male Shepard act straight in ME1 and ME2? I must have missed that.

[ipgd]

SalsaDMA wrote...

On another note, without trying to offend you, you do realize also, that gay guys shamelessly flirting with girls is just as stereotypical as the prancing gay guy, right? If anything, I will guess people will take an overemphasized flirting of that kind as a hint of the stereotypical gay than anything else.

I'm as stereotypically gay and male as you can get without actually being gay or male :innocent:

But, again, some people just don't make those kinds of passes or jokes or what have you. Shepard's particular circle of friends doesn't particularly strike me as the type.

[Russalka]

The forum-goers are a minority anyway.

[jlb524]

Siansonea II wrote...
Sorry, Wereparrot, but you, ClonedZero, and SalsaDMC (?) actually don't constitute a majority. In fact, pretty much every poll I've ever seen on this subject shows that the vast "majority" of people SIMPLY DON'T CARE. So, good luck on your math SATs.

Seems like it.

Modifié par jlb524, 19 mai 2011 - 08:08 .