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[Clonedzero]

im gonna go watch Community. everyone arguing against me isnt even reading my posts, they're just putting words in my mouth and making stuff up.

im not even arguing against s/s romances, or that shepard should be allowed to be gay or any of that and people keep saying im against it?

if you're going to argue against me, please actually quote what you're arguing against. if im saying a poll is stupid, dont yell at me for being against s/s romances that makes no sense.

[Clonedzero]

ipgd wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

ipgd wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

you fo know what the word assume means right?

"To take for granted or without proof; suppose; postulate; posit."

none of that suggests refusal to accept the assumption is wrong

If you aren't unwilling to accept your assumptions will sometimes be wrong why are you always arguing about it as if you do :| Nobody is saying it's not reasonable to assume most people are straight, just that it is unreasonable to assume that your assumptions about people's sexuality will always be correct just because they usually are.

well if you're assuming your assumptions are always correct they're not really assumptions are they?

[thatguy212]

You can't base someone's sexuality on how they act alone, here is a great example

[javierabegazo]

javierabegazo wrote...

@Clonedzero and Everyone involved

If you cannot continue this discussion without derisive remarks and personal attacks and insults, and you cannot simply take the higher ground and walk outside and take a breath of fresh air instead of fuming over a gaming forum, then I will be forced to hand out bans to more than a few users.

This is the last warning

I'll make sure this is on this page too

[Wereparrot]

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...




Sorry, Wereparrot, but you, ClonedZero, and SalsaDMC (?) actually don't constitute a majority. In fact, pretty much every poll I've ever seen on this subject shows that the vast "majority" of people SIMPLY DON'T CARE. So, good luck on your math SATs.

And you alone have gauged the whole ME fanbase and found that many people don't have an opinion on the timing of this development?

Actually, you are the one who is presuming to speak for the whole ME fanbase, pal. Or at least, the "majority".

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone. All I'm saying is that the fanbase has not given it's collective opinion. I realise they can't listen to the fanbase at large since many may not be on this board or any other that the devs frequent, but even so, no one can claim that the fans have been listened to when there is considerable dissent, and as of yet no word of the obvious compromise.

[ipgd]

Clonedzero wrote...

well if you're assuming your assumptions are always correct they're not really assumptions are they?

Then I'm not sure why we're arguing!?

I think the reason people are responding to you as if you are anti-s/s is because you come into the conversation and defend something tangentially related to some anti-s/s argument and we assume you actually support the entire argument you are defending an irrelevant facet of? It's terribly confusing.

[AdmiralCheez]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I have to confess, it did.

Wow.

No offense, but I have to giggle a little.

[javierabegazo]

Wereparrot wrote...

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone. All I'm saying is that the fanbase has not given it's collective opinion. I realise they can't listen to the fanbase at large since many may not be on this board or any other that the devs frequent, but even so, no one can claim that the fans have been listened to when there is considerable dissent, and as of yet no word of the obvious compromise.

It is correct to say the fanbase has been listened to. A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"

There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".

Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

[AngelicMachinery]

Hey! Guys, it'll be okay I promise. Gay Shepherd will be Gay and Straight Shepherd will be straight.

I can't promise anything about the other characters, but come on everyone who assumes they know everything about a character after six conversations might be grasping at straws. I don't quite get how a character will be changes forever when they've truthfully barely had any dialogue.

[Erani]

Wereparrot wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...




Sorry, Wereparrot, but you, ClonedZero, and SalsaDMC (?) actually don't constitute a majority. In fact, pretty much every poll I've ever seen on this subject shows that the vast "majority" of people SIMPLY DON'T CARE. So, good luck on your math SATs.

And you alone have gauged the whole ME fanbase and found that many people don't have an opinion on the timing of this development?

Actually, you are the one who is presuming to speak for the whole ME fanbase, pal. Or at least, the "majority".

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone. All I'm saying is that the fanbase has not given it's collective opinion. I realise they can't listen to the fanbase at large since many may not be on this board or any other that the devs frequent, but even so, no one can claim that the fans have been listened to when there is considerable dissent, and as of yet no word of the obvious compromise.

I don't see the problem, I really don't. There's going to be romances for straight players+bi/gay. Romance content is going to be optional and most likely, player initiated (as it has been in the other games). What dissent?
Until we have more information on how the s/s romances will be implemented, all this talk of retcon is not appropriate and makes no sense. CHudson already said there's going to be new LIs, so why just assume that Kaidan or Garrus are going to be the m/m LI and not the new guy and argue about it?

[SalsaDMA]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I have to confess, it did.

Wow.

No offense, but I have to giggle a little.

What can I say, I guess I aim to please the women even without trying.

[k8ee]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I have to confess, it did.

Wow.

No offense, but I have to giggle a little.

This thread moves so fast I couldn't even see what that was in reference to.

[AdmiralCheez]

k8ee wrote...

This thread moves so fast I couldn't even see what that was in reference to.

Somebody made a gay innuendo involving the discussion of firearms, he didn't get it, I asked him of he got the "reach and flexibility" comment, he said that one flew over his head, too.

And then I lol'd.

[SalsaDMA]

javierabegazo wrote...

 A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"

There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".

Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

This thread already is over that mark within just a few days. Where does that place us?

[Erani]

k8ee wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I have to confess, it did.

Wow.

No offense, but I have to giggle a little.

This thread moves so fast I couldn't even see what that was in reference to.

LOL This. 

Anyway, before the discussion got all weird, some people were discussing using the <3 or color to indicate romance lines. I like this idea a lot.

[Clonedzero]

ipgd wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

well if you're assuming your assumptions are always correct they're not really assumptions are they?

Then I'm not sure why we're arguing!?

I think the reason people are responding to you as if you are anti-s/s is because you come into the conversation and defend something tangentially related to some anti-s/s argument and we assume you actually support the entire argument you are defending an irrelevant facet of? It's terribly confusing.

oh. well i wasnt defending part of the anti-s/s argument while supporting the entire s/s thing.

i was just saying that assuming most people are straight isn't anti-s/s at all.

but dont worry im getting really confused too. people (as in everyone) are seeming to latch onto one short statement and ignoring everything else, assuming the rest and arguing from there. so everyones arguing against everyone without a clear full understanding of who or why they're arguing against each other and everyones getting frustrated and angry.

[k8ee]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

k8ee wrote...

This thread moves so fast I couldn't even see what that was in reference to.

Somebody made a gay innuendo involving the discussion of firearms, he didn't get it, I asked him of he got the "reach and flexibility" comment, he said that one flew over his head, too.

And then I lol'd.

lol, that was totally worth repeating for me. :happy:

Fan TASTIC. 

I guess we can assume he doesn't own the shirt either.

[JediMB]

SalsaDMA wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

 A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"

There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".

Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

This thread already is over that mark within just a few days. Where does that place us?

Well, the truth is that "Fight for the Love" was at page 370.

This thread's page count has risen so quickly because there's more arguing than on-topic discussion.

[T82M]

I personally am looking forward to a s/s LI for Shepard. I am particularly hoping for Miranda but we shall see I suppose. I do not understand what people's issues are though. Has the homosexual community not as much right to choice as the heterosexual community? I am thinking the majority of people here live in a place where it is acceptable to be gay. If you don't like homosexual actions, don't play them.

What if there was a pre-determined sexuality option within the Shepard creation screen? I suppose anti-gays would still find reason to moan though.

[Wereparrot]

javierabegazo wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone. All I'm saying is that the fanbase has not given it's collective opinion. I realise they can't listen to the fanbase at large since many may not be on this board or any other that the devs frequent, but even so, no one can claim that the fans have been listened to when there is considerable dissent, and as of yet no word of the obvious compromise.

It is correct to say the fanbase has been listened to. A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"

There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".

Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

What about people like me who never went in there because we wanted none of it? So I should've made my point in there. OK. Will Bioware listen to the concerns raised in this thread?

[Siansonea]

JediMB wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...


 A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"


There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".


Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

This thread already is over that mark within just a few days. Where does that place us? webkit-fake-url://5AF1505F-AE73-446F-B02D-74FB41775CEB/blushing.png

Well, the truth is that "Fight for the Love" was at page 370.


This thread's page count has risen so quickly because there's more arguing than on-topic discussion.

It should also be noted that the Fight For The Love forum thread has been restarted several times after being locked. And that the Fight For The Love Group has well over a thousand members.

[SalsaDMA]

k8ee wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

k8ee wrote...

This thread moves so fast I couldn't even see what that was in reference to.

Somebody made a gay innuendo involving the discussion of firearms, he didn't get it, I asked him of he got the "reach and flexibility" comment, he said that one flew over his head, too.

And then I lol'd.

lol, that was totally worth repeating for me. :happy:

Fan TASTIC. 

I guess we can assume he doesn't own the shirt either.

What shirt?

Now I'm feeling like there is a conversation about me I have no clue about

[MACharlie1]

Wereparrot wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone. All I'm saying is that the fanbase has not given it's collective opinion. I realise they can't listen to the fanbase at large since many may not be on this board or any other that the devs frequent, but even so, no one can claim that the fans have been listened to when there is considerable dissent, and as of yet no word of the obvious compromise.

It is correct to say the fanbase has been listened to. A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"

There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".

Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

What about people like me who never went in there because we wanted none of it? So I should've made my point in there. OK. Will Bioware listen to the concerns raised in this thread?

Just so everyone is on the same page; what exactly are the concerns? I want a clear and distinct list of the concerns implementing a s/s relationship. 

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

I'm not claiming to speak for anyone. All I'm saying is that the fanbase has not given it's collective opinion. I realise they can't listen to the fanbase at large since many may not be on this board or any other that the devs frequent, but even so, no one can claim that the fans have been listened to when there is considerable dissent, and as of yet no word of the obvious compromise.

It is correct to say the fanbase has been listened to. A year long thread with over 150+ pages of dedicated discussion about the exclusion of s/s LI dialog, and then the confirmation that ME3 is to feature such a hotly requested item, I would say is "listening to the fanbase"

There's a difference between "listening to" and "doing everything they ask".

Now whether or not they meant to implement it, but didn't feel the quality was finished enough to make it available, is another topic of discussion.

What about people like me who never went in there because we wanted none of it? So I should've made my point in there. OK. Will Bioware listen to the concerns raised in this thread?

Well, I'm sure the fact that you and six or seven other people are opposed to the inclusion of something that over a thousand other BSN members have signed on to actively support will be taken into account. Don't you worry.

[k8ee]

Erani wrote...

Anyway, before the discussion got all weird, some people were discussing using the <3 or color to indicate romance lines. I like this idea a lot.

Makes sense. So what's got everyone so worked up? (I've totally been avoiding this thread because of the angry vibe was I getting from it.) Isn't the ideal rpg universe one were all paths are possible?