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[Clonedzero]

Nyoka wrote...

Clonedzero, oh, so you admit it's not impossible for a Garrus romance to be good, after all.

I'm of the opinion that we should see something first in order to judge it.

It's not that I want Garrus. I don't even play as Manshep. It's just that you are basing your judgments in your personal views on bi relationships and bi people, and those personal views may not be shared by the rest of the forum.

im not basing my judgements on my personal views of bi relationships/people. im basing it on the context of the existing story and character interaction already present in the existing games.

im basing it not on my personal views of bi people, im basing it solely on the nature of male shepards and garrus' established friendship, the lore of the game (turians being so incredably biologically incapatable with humans), and the complete lack of references (even subtle) of attraction or any sexual tension.

i just cant see any real way of having a m/m romance with garrus with it being well written. hell i think the m/f romance with garrus is really poorly done and just flat out dumb for a large number of reasons.

[NGC1300]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Saeran wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Then why weren't we able to do so in first two games?

I was. I roleplayed Shepard as gay. I turned down all romances because my Shepard isn't that way inclined. This just affirms the fact that Shepard can be gay without roleplaying him as such without proof.

So you imagine him to be gay.

Someone imagines him to be sick bastard who wants to rape Legion.

But you can't express that in game,it's all in your heads.

You've finally brought it out, heh? Gay hater

[Ryzaki]

Really though Kaidan's "losing you was like losing a limb..." line made my Shepard want to say this.  

[Jebel Krong]

Nyoka wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
well theres no indication at all, what-so-ever that garrus is bi. he has
absolutely no reason to hide this from shepard, its silly to think it
wouldnt have come up already.

He never thought about it that way. Same as the femshep romance. It happens to people.

not for 2+ years it doesn't, especially when a lot is spent in the close confines of a starship.

[ElitePinecone]

catabuca wrote...

Manveer Heir just tweeted: "I can't even explain how often same-sex relationships are requested, especially for male characters - really excited we're supporting this"

and so are we, so are we.



(http://twitter.com/#...120618477101056)

Excellent. 

My young-but-jaded-and-crusty heart just got a bit warmer.

Kudos, Bioware. Seriously. 

[Weltenschlange]

Damn, I missed the victory celebrations.

So let me just say that I'm very happy with this unexpected outcome and I'm curious to see what the actual implementation will look like.



The Earth is now an owl and the Moon is a cupcake.

[ElitePinecone]

I've read the last, oh, 20 pages or so of debate on this and it seems to be going in circles. A subset of people say no old characters should be open for romances because it breaks continuity, others say the continuity never existed in the first place.

How about we all wait and see what Bioware has planned, first?

I trust Bioware enough to write the characters well. Clearly, they think they're capable of writing credible s/s romances - whether or not they're with old or new characters, we don't know. They have some seriously smart and capable writers and character designers on that team. Trust in them.

Bioware would not have announced same-sex romances if they didn't think they could deliver them to the same high standards of storytelling that defined Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2.

[CheeseEnchilada]

From what I've seen, there seems to be one main argument here: either your sexuality is a part of you (a 'character trait', for lack of a better term) or it's not, and just a social label.

If this is the case, then it's simply a matter of opinion. I know my sexuality (or lack thereof) has had a huge impact on my life, and I consider it a trait just as much as I would consider my inability to post a decent...well, post. For my brother, he's never considered his sexuality as part of him, or associated himself with any term at all. He likes who he likes, and that's it.

If this isn't the case (which is likely, due to my over-analyzing) then I say this: human sexuality is ridiculously complicated. Let's not simplify it.

[Ryzaki]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

From what I've seen, there seems to be one main argument here: either your sexuality is a part of you (a 'character trait', for lack of a better term) or it's not, and just a social label.

If this is the case, then it's simply a matter of opinion. I know my sexuality (or lack thereof) has had a huge impact on my life, and I consider it a trait just as much as I would consider my inability to post a decent...well, post. For my brother, he's never considered his sexuality as part of him, or associated himself with any term at all. He likes who he likes, and that's it.

If this isn't the case (which is likely, due to my over-analyzing) then I say this: human sexuality is ridiculously complicated. Let's not simplify it.

Agreed x9000

[CroGamer002]

I don't have problem with gay Shepard.

But I do have problem that certain characters like Garrus, Tali or Ashley to be bisexual.
It's just kills immersion for me that EVERYONE is bisexual.


Personally I think there should be straight only LI, gay only LI and maybe bi LI.

Also how it would work for ME characters:

Ashley: straight only( she's religious and very family like)
Kaidan: straight only( had crush on some girl at Jump Zero and he is very open with ManShep while with FemShep little nervous)
Liara: bi( she's an Asari)
Garrus: straight only( we know he's into woman and he finds relationship with FemShep very nervous, how would that work with ManShep?)
Tali: straight only( she fell in love to Shepard for being like a knight that saved princes/her plus a lot of Shepard's heroic achievements, hard to see that with FemShep)
Jacob: straight only( he already has a child and he goes bro4life with ManShep)
Miranda: bi?( not sure, she doesn't have indication to be into woman but neither not to be)
Jack: bi( she outright tells she had sex with a woman, why isn't she bi in the first place?)
Thane: straight only( he was married with a woman and how would "Siha" go with ManShep?)
Samara: bi( she's an Asari)
Kelly: bi



James Vega is only one male that can be bi or only gay, but only because we know nothing about him.

Modifié par Mesina2, 16 mai 2011 - 02:27 .

[Clonedzero]

so....uhhh.

no one wants to comment on my idea of having a few specific s/s relationship options so t hey can be written with m/m and f/f specifically in mind so they can directly reference it and go alot deeper with the whole thing?

i REALLY hope they at least have unique dialogue for s/s romances. if its exactly the same just with shepard being the same gender it'd be really well lame.

[Chewin]

Mesina2 wrote...
Jacob: straight only( he already has a son and he goes bro4life with ManShep)

Jacob has a son?

[lazuli]

Chewin3 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Jacob: straight only( he already has a son and he goes bro4life with ManShep)

Jacob has a son?

This is news to me.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Clonedzero wrote...

so....uhhh.

no one wants to comment on my idea of having a few specific s/s relationship options so t hey can be written with m/m and f/f specifically in mind so they can directly reference it and go alot deeper with the whole thing?

i REALLY hope they at least have unique dialogue for s/s romances. if its exactly the same just with shepard being the same gender it'd be really well lame.

I love the idea of a purely s/s romance option, and I think it's sorely missing. Not everyone is heterosexual or bisexual, you know? I know it's unlikely due to resources, but I can dream.

[Inxentas]

1) Shep can do whatever he likes. Be straight, be gay, as long as this is up to the player, I'm fine with it. Only homophobes would disagree, normal players would just roleplay a straight man.

2) Sexuality is a part of someone's personality. It should be a static value (DA:O) instead of a dynamic one (DA2). Characters with a dynamic sexuality (changes based on player preference) are totally unbelievable.

[Saeran]

Mesina2 wrote...

I don't have problem with gay Shepard.

But I do have problem that certain characters like Garrus, Tali or Ashley to be bisexual.
It's just kills immersion for me that EVERYONE is bisexual.


Personally I think there should be straight only LI, gay only LI and maybe bi LI.

Also how it would work for ME characters:

Ashley: straight only( she's religious and very family like)
Kaidan: straight only( had crush on some girl at Jump Zero and he is very open with ManShep while with FemShep little nervous)
Liara: bi( she's an Asari)
Garrus: straight only( we know he's into woman and he finds relationship with FemShep very nervous, how would that work with ManShep?)
Tali: straight only( she fell in love to Shepard for being like a knight that saved princes/her plus a lot of Shepard's heroic achievements, hard to see that with FemShep)
Jacob: straight only( he already has a son and he goes bro4life with ManShep)
Miranda: bi?( not sure, she doesn't have indication to be into woman but neither not to be)
Jack: bi( she outright tells she had sex with a woman, why isn't she bi in the first place?)
Thane: straight only( he was married with a woman and how would "Siha" go with ManShep?)
Samara: bi( she's an Asari)
Kelly: bi



James Vega is only one male that can be bi or only gay, but only because we know nothing about him.

The bolded part kinda proves most peoples point. She has neither stated that she goes this way or that. You're simply choosing that everyone else has. When they also haven't. By your logic Miranda is straight because, well she hasn't mentioned it and can romance a male Shepard.. right?

[Khayness]

Mesina2 wrote...


Garrus: straight only (we know he's into woman and he finds relationship with FemShep very nervous, how would that work with ManShep?)

Yeah, Just like Anders "Pretty Girl Right here".

Anyways, there are news out there that there will be no new romance options, only old ones coming back, so another
contradictional statement.

I won't believe anything until I've seen it after release day.

[Terror330]

I don't understand why people don't think Ashley would be interested in a s/s relationship. Just because someone believes in god does not mean they take every single word in the Bible as gospel. That's like saying gay people can't believe in god. That's crazy. Ashley more or less says the William's sisters get into a relationship when they are ready. It seems to me as if she wasn't ready for a relationship with a female Shepard at that point in time.

Modifié par Terror330, 16 mai 2011 - 02:24 .

[Whatever42]

I just want an option now to turn off all romances. Having to creep carefully through dialogue options to avoid everyone trying to jump me is going to get old fast. I want an action-RPG, not a speed-dating sim.

[ElitePinecone]

Clonedzero wrote...

so....uhhh.

no one wants to comment on my idea of having a few specific s/s relationship options so t hey can be written with m/m and f/f specifically in mind so they can directly reference it and go alot deeper with the whole thing?

i REALLY hope they at least have unique dialogue for s/s romances. if its exactly the same just with shepard being the same gender it'd be really well lame.

I *completely* agree with you. This would be a wonderful idea, and solve everybody's problems.

Unfortunately it will probably never happen. By all accounts from Bioware developers - David Gaider in particular - the resources required to make a dedicated s/s romance for males and females would be too much to justify. At least, that's the reason he gave for their exclusion from the DA series. Perhaps the metrics are different now, but I just can't see it happening. 

In any regard, reasons of practicality and pragmatism dictate that s/s romances be expressed largely through bisexual characters. Given the situation, it's the best compromise we're ever going to get. People who want s/s can get it, if they choose, people who want to avoid it can avoid it.

Does it throw up messy questions? Probably. But a significant number of people want the content, so the content goes in. I'm not going to apologise if this is discomforting. 

Bioware have been pretty good at taking the pulse of the fanbase. Trust them to respond to the reasonable complaints everyone has raised in this thread and threads like it. It will, hopefully, be implemented both creatively and intelligently. 

[Clonedzero]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

so....uhhh.

no one wants to comment on my idea of having a few specific s/s relationship options so t hey can be written with m/m and f/f specifically in mind so they can directly reference it and go alot deeper with the whole thing?

i REALLY hope they at least have unique dialogue for s/s romances. if its exactly the same just with shepard being the same gender it'd be really well lame.

I love the idea of a purely s/s romance option, and I think it's sorely missing. Not everyone is heterosexual or bisexual, you know? I know it's unlikely due to resources, but I can dream.

well not even so much as that character is only romancable by the same sex, but that the actual same sex romance plays out differently and is completely unique

for examples sake, lets say Kaidan is bi and is one of the characters for this. female shepards can still have the continuation of the current romance with him while the s/s romance with male shepard would play out alot differently. giving insight on why the romance didnt happen earlier, give a better understanding of the attitude towards s/s relationships in the galaxy. actually have the rest of the crew acknowledge that shepard is bi/gay. lots of little things fully fleshing the entire thing out and giving it some real depth.

i will be EXTREMELY disappointed if the s/s relationships are just copy/pasted straight relationships but with shepard being a different gender. like if its the same dialogue, same sequence of events, no acknowledgement from the rest of the crew. ect.

[CroGamer002]

Khayness wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...


Garrus: straight only (we know he's into woman and he finds relationship with FemShep very nervous, how would that work with ManShep?)

Yeah, Just like Anders "Pretty Girl Right here".

Oh did I ever mention that I HATE Anders bisexuality? It just came out of f*cking nowhere.

[nelly21]

You know, they could just make two new gay characters and avoid the whole retcon thing. Gay romancers are happy, straight romancers are happy, and my Shep doesn't have to awkwardly turn down Garrus who has all of a sudden developed a man crush.

[bluuberg]

*still hasn't seen any sort of sane reason as to why Garrus couldn't be a bi Love Interest*

[nelly21]

Mesina2 wrote...

Oh did I ever mention that I HATE Anders bisexuality? It just came out of f*cking nowhere.

THIS. A BILLION TIMES THIS.