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[M-Sinistrari]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

this is still going on?

i havent been in here for a while what have missed?

We're back on the same curve of the thread spiral that we were on back around page 80 and page 30.

[AltitudeNYC]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

So at the end of the day I think it comes down to two things: accepting compromises even if we don't completely like them,and trusting BioWare to do the right thing.

This.

Bioware has no intrest in doing the right thing. Almost every decision they have made has been based on the conerstone of mass marketing to every thing that breaths under the sun. Of course it's a business and as such it has certain goals to meet, but there's no purity from these guys anymore, no love. They don't care about making a great story, they just care about whoring Shepard to every medium, animate and inanimate, that they can **** him to.

[TheMarshal]

ReconTeam wrote...

Money is what matters, not pointless sentimentalism. They are an entertainment company, not a bunch of rotten politicans pandering to their party for votes.

But they're a bunch of soulless shills who will do anything for money?  Bioware practically invented the create-your-own-hero-who-gets-to-romance-who-they-want RPG genre, and almost from the beginning they allowed homosexual romances.  You think they did that entirely for monetary purposes?

[MACharlie1]

ReconTeam wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...
Just as racially-prejudiced people would find a relationship between a white FemShep and Jacob (or even the presence of Jacob) deeply offensive. Should Bioware provide a toggle for them? No. Because they're awful people. 

Do the math.

First of all race and sexuality are not comparable. Awful people? Who the hell are you to make such a judgement? I have met many people over the years who weren't "a-okay" with homosexuality. They were better people than yourself for sure. Hard workers and fun people to be around.

This is why I brought up the pre-martial sex thing. 

[UltraBoy360]

SalsaDMA wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
In don't think it is insulting or unneccessary, especially if pre-existing characters do become bisexual. Not everybody thinks homosexual relationships are just fine, their opinions should matter as next as the next customer.

But not everyone thinks pre-martial sex is "just fine" either.  

uh-oh.... That's an entire other can of beans waiting to be opened, if people really wanted to, I guess

Not really. It's simply an extension of the logic that's been used in this thread. Many people find pre-marital sex offensive and in opposition to their beliefs. Should Bioware not have had any sex in their games to date because a proportion of their audience find it offensive? Would you have preferred it or would it have affected your enjoyment of the games?

[k8ee]

You know... If your hate-on last more than four hours you should seek immediate medical attention.

[Wereparrot]

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

But why change now? Two games? To me, and others, that is ridiculous.

Two games of straight Shepherd is all the reason I need to be miffed. Whether you call it evidence or not is up to you, but changing a character so radically seems like poor writing to me. It's not even that I don't respect your imagination-after all, I like to pretend my Shepherd is English-but I'm not going to start a campaign for a nationality selector. 

So, what are you objecting to, Gay Shepard, or Bisexual Kaidan/Jacob/Garrus/Thane?

And if your Shepard is Earthborn, there's no reason he can't be from England. Nothing in the game says he can't be. So why not?

Predominantly bi everyone, but as I've said, I would have all previous LIs to remain untouched if I must accept bi Shepherd.

If Shepherd had been bi from the start, then I wouldn't have a problem and neither would anyone else. I can't accept Liara.

I feel, though, that my Shepherd is more likely to be English or of English origin should he not be earthborn than Shepherd is to be gay, simply because of the options available at the time. There is nothing to suggest that Shepherd belongs to any nation apart from accent of the voice actor which is irrelevant really; but the prescence of two straight options plus plus Liara gives evidence that Shepherd as he was originally planned was either straight or...neither...maybe xenosexual? That seems a fair word to describe the Liara romance, and the most that humans can comprehend.  

[ipgd]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Bioware is not an unfeeling corportion staffed entirely by robots concerned only with money. If the humans who work there want to disregard your opinion on ideological grounds, they will. Judging by the fact Bioware as a whole has been very supportive of LGBT issues in the past, I'm sure that's exactly what they'll do.

Money is what matters, not pointless sentimentalism. They are an entertainment company, not a bunch of rotten politicans pandering to their party for votes.

Bioware would not be implementing this option if the backlash or potential loss of sales were more important than pointless progressive sentimentalism.

If Bioware were rotten politicians they would deliberately skirt around the issue and never address it, not repeatedly add and support it in their game series. Sorry, buddy, they like the homos more than you

[JetsoverEverything]

Zjarcal wrote...

Why do you guys even bother replying to ReconTeam? We all know he hates teh gayness and won't ever approve of it. Just ignore him I say.

your an idiot

[SalsaDMA]

centauri2002 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Considering the comment was aimed at behaviour some females show, then yes. That would actually be the case sinvce we would be talking about a female Shepard then.

I DO asume you actually read what I wrote when commenting on it

So it's only females who can flirt and sleep with the same sex and not be gay or bisexual? Hmm, I guess that's why some men don't take no for an answer when a lesbian turns them down. I'd always wondered...

More or less, yup.

In some cases, I guess you could actually extrapolate into the male domain as well when you take prisons and establisment of dominance into consideration as well. But since the interaction in such a place is quite different from what is supposedly to be trusted friends and squadmates on the Normandy it would be quite a stretch to pull that one into it I think.

[ipgd]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I don't see it as being anymore an evidence than if the encounter didn't exist at all. So in that venue, yes I disagree.

Had you been using Liara as an example of female to female relationship, I wouldn't bat an eye, though.

So you don't think it's possible for genuinely lesbian or bisexual women to have casual sex?

I wasn't using Liara because other people reject her as a discount lesbian.

[Stanley Woo]

Let's try to keep things game-related, please. It's far too easy to go overboard when talking about real life actions and attitudes.

[Inquisitor Recon]

TheMarshal wrote...
You think they did that entirely for monetary purposes?

Yes, plus the free press.

[Mr.House]

ipgd wrote...

Bioware would not be implementing this option if the backlash or potential loss of sales were more important than pointless progressive sentimentalism.

If Bioware were rotten politicians they would deliberately skirt around the issue and never address it, not repeatedly add and support it in their game series. Sorry, buddy, they like the homos more than you

I like being loved.

Modifié par Mr.House, 19 mai 2011 - 10:29 .

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

But why change now? Two games? To me, and others, that is ridiculous.

Two games of straight Shepherd is all the reason I need to be miffed. Whether you call it evidence or not is up to you, but changing a character so radically seems like poor writing to me. It's not even that I don't respect your imagination-after all, I like to pretend my Shepherd is English-but I'm not going to start a campaign for a nationality selector. 

So, what are you objecting to, Gay Shepard, or Bisexual Kaidan/Jacob/Garrus/Thane?

And if your Shepard is Earthborn, there's no reason he can't be from England. Nothing in the game says he can't be. So why not?

Predominantly bi everyone, but as I've said, I would have all previous LIs to remain untouched if I must accept bi Shepherd.

If Shepherd had been bi from the start, then I wouldn't have a problem and neither would anyone else. I can't accept Liara.

I feel, though, that my Shepherd is more likely to be English or of English origin should he not be earthborn than Shepherd is to be gay, simply because of the options available at the time. There is nothing to suggest that Shepherd belongs to any nation apart from accent of the voice actor which is irrelevant really; but the prescence of two straight options plus plus Liara gives evidence that Shepherd as he was originally planned was either straight or...neither...maybe xenosexual? That seems a fair word to describe the Liara romance, and the most that humans can comprehend.  

Shepard's LI options don't define Shepard until Shepard chooses them, so saying that the options exist defines Shepard is not logical. And I would say that passing up Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Jack, Tali, AND Kelly is much more defining than choosing any of them, wouldn't you?

[ipgd]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

your an idiot

I thank God every day for your/you're and the delicious hilarity their confusion brings me.

[SarahAnne]

I tried reading this entire thread, but got impatient so I skipped ahead to the end.

It's amazing how many people are either neutral, against, or support this whole s/s relationship that will be added into ME3.

Honestly, I'm one of those neutral people. I can live without it, but having it in the game isn't going to kill me either.

But after reading everything I have read so far before getting impatient(this thread is too long), we have to keep in mind that Bioware is trying to listening to everyone. Obviously, Bioware is listening to the fan who wanted s/s relationships, but they have to keep in mind of the fans who don't want the older characters 'rewritten'. Which is why ALL OF US must be willing to compromise. So we shouldn't worry about all of the old characters be rewritten as suddenly bi. There is the possibility that a few may be, but not all. That wouldn't make large group of the fans, myself included, very happy. And if only a few of the old characters are written as bi along with the new LI's who also maybe bi, will allow the other fans feel that they got the same amount of options as the rest of us did. So remember, compromise. This game isn't just made for one group of people, it was made for everyone to enjoy.

And if you're someone who doesn't want to compromise because you don't like to, then...tough! Quite being a monkey nut muncher and deal with it like a mature adult. It's not your game.

Also I am well aware that this was once discussed, but this is thread for me to add my input on the game.

[Centauri2002]

SalsaDMA wrote...
More or less, yup.

In some cases, I guess you could actually extrapolate into the male domain as well when you take prisons and establisment of dominance into consideration as well. But since the interaction in such a place is quite different from what is supposedly to be trusted friends and squadmates on the Normandy it would be quite a stretch to pull that one into it I think.

So I'm not actually a lesbian. Good to know... I guess? 

[Servo to the bitter end]

[quote]Mr.House wrote...

[quote]ipgd wrote...

Money is what matters, not pointless sentimentalism. They are an entertainment company, not a bunch of rotten politicans pandering to their party for votes.
[/quote]
Bioware would not be implementing this option if the backlash or potential loss of sales were more important than pointless progressive sentimentalism.

If Bioware were rotten politicians they would deliberately skirt around the issue and never address it, not repeatedly add and support it in their game series. Sorry, buddy, they like the homos more than you
[/quote]
I like being loved.



[/quote]

Heads up, House - you might want to edit that quote. ipgd didn't say that...

[Polliot]

Zjarcal wrote...

Why do you guys even bother replying to ReconTeam? We all know he hates teh gayness and won't ever approve of it. Just ignore him I say.

Why ignore him? Because he doesn't share your opinion?

[UltraBoy360]

ReconTeam wrote...


First of all race and sexuality are not comparable. Awful people? Who the hell are you to make such a judgement? I have met many people over the years who weren't "a-okay" with homosexuality. They were better people than yourself for sure. Hard workers and fun people to be around.

For sure.

Just because you're OK with one form of prejudice and not another does not mean they're not comparable. 

And yes I DO feel confident in making the judgement that aggressively prejudiced people are awful. Insanity!

[SilentNukee]

Nyoka wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Predominantly bi everyone, but as I've said, I would have all previous LIs to remain untouched if I must accept bi Shepherd.

If Shepherd had been bi from the start, then I wouldn't have a problem and neither would anyone else. I can't accept Liara.

Your Shepard wont' change in your game. In your game, Shepard won't change. There's nothing that will change in your Shepard. Your Shepard will find nothing has changed about him. There's in your Shepard nothing that will change. Change is something that won't be in your Shepard.

I love this so I'm quoting it again.
...Also, FemShep Talimancers FTW.

[TheMarshal]

ReconTeam wrote...

Yes, plus the free press.

That's a pretty craven attitude to take, but I'll bite.  Why wouldn't the same thing work now?  There would sure to be plenty of free press surrounding the inclusion of m/m romances in a franchise as popular as Mass Effect.

Though, I'm sorry, I can't actually remember which part of homosexual romances you object to: allowing them in the first place or having existing romances be available to s/s Shepards.