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[ipgd]

ReconTeam wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
You think they did that entirely for monetary purposes?

Yes, plus the free press.

If you believe that the addition of m/m romance is a boost to sales and Bioware only cares about money, doesn't that defeat your entire "my opinion matters" argument?

[SalsaDMA]

ipgd wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I don't see it as being anymore an evidence than if the encounter didn't exist at all. So in that venue, yes I disagree.

Had you been using Liara as an example of female to female relationship, I wouldn't bat an eye, though.

So you don't think it's possible for genuinely lesbian or bisexual women to have casual sex?

I wasn't using Liara because other people reject her as a discount lesbian.

That's not what I said (nor can I see what relevance the question even has on the binray value of an argument as a evidence), stop putting words in my mouth already.

It should be quite clear by now what I said, yet you keep trying to put words in my mouth to make an argument that isn't there.

[Polliot]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...


First of all race and sexuality are not comparable. Awful people? Who the hell are you to make such a judgement? I have met many people over the years who weren't "a-okay" with homosexuality. They were better people than yourself for sure. Hard workers and fun people to be around.

For sure.

Just because you're OK with one form of prejudice and not another does not mean they're not comparable. 

And yes I DO feel confident in making the judgement that aggressively prejudiced people are awful. Insanity!

You are most definitely wrong. Most of the people around me don't approve homosexuality,more than 70% of them I'd say. Some of them are great people,respected and loved in our community. 

[Justifire]

Personally, I look forward to a bi-Wrexual romance.

[JetsoverEverything]

ipgd wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

your an idiot

I thank God every day for your/you're and the delicious hilarity their confusion brings me.

your welcome

[UltraBoy360]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's try to keep things game-related, please. It's far too easy to go overboard when talking about real life actions and attitudes.

Apologies. Speaking of real-life. Off to play the so-far resolutely heterosexual LA Noire (while keeping my figures crossed for bisexual Kaidan - On Topic!)

[SalsaDMA]

centauri2002 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
More or less, yup.

In some cases, I guess you could actually extrapolate into the male domain as well when you take prisons and establisment of dominance into consideration as well. But since the interaction in such a place is quite different from what is supposedly to be trusted friends and squadmates on the Normandy it would be quite a stretch to pull that one into it I think.

So I'm not actually a lesbian. Good to know... I guess? 

Your sexuality is entirely how you yourself define it. Just like other peoples sexuality is how they define it.

[Polliot]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Let's try to keep things game-related, please. It's far too easy to go overboard when talking about real life actions and attitudes.

But thing is that in this case,real life atitudes have a large impact on what we want or don't want to see in ME3.

[Inquisitor Recon]

TheMarshal wrote...
That's a pretty craven attitude to take, but I'll bite.  Why wouldn't the same thing work now?  There would sure to be plenty of free press surrounding the inclusion of m/m romances in a franchise as popular as Mass Effect.

Though, I'm sorry, I can't actually remember which part of homosexual romances you object to: allowing them in the first place or having existing romances be available to s/s Shepards.

It is working. Look at this mess. Free articles on various gaming sites, etc.

I object to the addition of homosexual romances, pre-existing characters essientally being rewritten, and Bioware possibly showing favoritism.

[Servo to the bitter end]

Polliot wrote...

But thing is that in this case,real life atitudes have a large impact on what we want or don't want to see in ME3.

Thankfully, in a game like Mass Effect, choice is paramount. You can choose to play this content. You can choose not to.

I don't want to see a Thane romance. Guess what? I never have to.

Modifié par TommyServo, 19 mai 2011 - 10:39 .

[k8ee]

Justifire wrote...

Personally, I look forward to a bi-Wrexual romance.

Awesome.

But possibly painful, no?

I may have to start a MaleShep game after all.

[ipgd]

SalsaDMA wrote...

That's not what I said (nor can I see what relevance the question even has on the binray value of an argument as a evidence), stop putting words in my mouth already.

It should be quite clear by now what I said, yet you keep trying to put words in my mouth to make an argument that isn't there.

I'm asking you to clarify your own argument because I don't get it.

Answer this with a yes or no: do you think that the fact female Shepard is able to express interest and have homosexual sex with Kelly is evidence for the roleplaying possiblity (read: one option, not to the exclusion of the interpretation that some female Shepards could be straight WSW) that some female Shepards could be gay or bisexual?

[Centauri2002]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Your sexuality is entirely how you yourself define it. Just like other peoples sexuality is how they define it.

All right, then I'm a straight woman who is only attracted to and sleeps with women. And Shepard is a straight man (or woman) who sleeps with whoever the heck he wants. Now that that's cleared up..!

Modifié par centauri2002, 19 mai 2011 - 10:40 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

UltraBoy360 wrote...

Just because you're OK with one form of prejudice and not another does not mean they're not comparable. 

And yes I DO feel confident in making the judgement that aggressively prejudiced people are awful. Insanity!

The fact is that race and sexuality are nothing alike.

They didn't go around harming homosexuals, they didn't want the government to monitor what people do behind closed doors. They simply thought homosexuality was morally wrong and didn't like to see two guys going at it. Is that a crime? They were damn better people than you for sure.

[Servo to the bitter end]

ReconTeam wrote...

It is working. Look at this mess. Free articles on various gaming sites, etc.

I object to the addition of homosexual romances, pre-existing characters essientally being rewritten, and Bioware possibly showing favoritism.

They might not end up rewriting anyone. And really speaking, it's in keeping the example they've set in many of their past games. I see no favoritism, for sure. No more than when they unlocked Tali and Garrus, at any rate.

Just curious, Recon, did the inclusion of S/S romance in DA:O bother you also?

Modifié par TommyServo, 19 mai 2011 - 10:43 .

[MACharlie1]

ReconTeam wrote...

UltraBoy360 wrote...

Just because you're OK with one form of prejudice and not another does not mean they're not comparable. 

And yes I DO feel confident in making the judgement that aggressively prejudiced people are awful. Insanity!

The fact is that race and sexuality are nothing alike.

They didn't go around harming homosexuals, they didn't want the government to monitor what people do behind closed doors. They simply thought homosexuality was morally wrong and didn't like to see two guys going at it. Is that a crime? They were damn better people than you for sure.

Whoever "they" is probably also didn't like to see a heterosexual couple near dry humping each other. And again, bringing up how people didn't like a black man and white woman going at it. 

[JetsoverEverything]

ipgd wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

That's not what I said (nor can I see what relevance the question even has on the binray value of an argument as a evidence), stop putting words in my mouth already.

It should be quite clear by now what I said, yet you keep trying to put words in my mouth to make an argument that isn't there.

I'm asking you to clarify your own argument because I don't get it.

Answer this with a yes or no: do you think that the fact female Shepard is able to express interest and have homosexual sex with Kelly is evidence for the roleplaying possiblity (read: one option, not to the exclusion of the interpretation that some female Shepards could be straight WSW) that some female Shepards could be gay or bisexual?

you can sleep with kelly?? all she ever did for me was dance and cuddle on the bed(booooooooooring)

[Ruud333]

ReconTeam wrote...
I object to the addition of homosexual romances, pre-existing characters essientally being rewritten, and Bioware possibly showing favoritism.

I agree: they have shown favouritism towards straight males and lesbians for far too long.  Time for them to include a gay m/m roamance to even things up a bit.

That is what you meant right?

[M-Sinistrari]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

ipgd wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

That's not what I said (nor can I see what relevance the question even has on the binray value of an argument as a evidence), stop putting words in my mouth already.

It should be quite clear by now what I said, yet you keep trying to put words in my mouth to make an argument that isn't there.

I'm asking you to clarify your own argument because I don't get it.

Answer this with a yes or no: do you think that the fact female Shepard is able to express interest and have homosexual sex with Kelly is evidence for the roleplaying possiblity (read: one option, not to the exclusion of the interpretation that some female Shepards could be straight WSW) that some female Shepards could be gay or bisexual?

you can sleep with kelly?? all she ever did for me was dance and cuddle on the bed(booooooooooring)

I believe the euphemisim covering it was 'dinner and staying up late'.

[Erani]

ipgd wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...
You think they did that entirely for monetary purposes?

Yes, plus the free press.

If you believe that the addition of m/m romance is a boost to sales and Bioware only cares about money, doesn't that defeat your entire "my opinion matters" argument?

Hmmm, is the "BioWare is doing m/m in ME3 for $$$" argument pro-m/m or against?...because I mean, as an against-m/m it is not very effective. If there is such a huge demand for teh gay that lots of people are going to buy ME3 just to see some hot man-to-man action, then that defeats the "only a minority are pro-s/s content, who whined endlessly to BioWare" or the "the majority of fans outside the forums are against m/m in ME3" arguments that the such a vocal few have tried to make in this very thread.

[Blacklash93]

ReconTeam wrote...

The fact is that race and sexuality are nothing alike.

They didn't go around harming homosexuals, they didn't want the government to monitor what people do behind closed doors. They simply thought homosexuality was morally wrong and didn't like to see two guys going at it. Is that a crime? They were damn better people than you for sure.

Hate is hate. Whatever the reason.

And gay people have never faced terrible prejudice? People just thought it was wrong and did nothing more? I suggest you look up a few articles.

[SilentNukee]

- You roleplay your Shepard. Shepard can be female or male. S/he can be gay/straight/bisexual, paragon/renegade, etc...It's an RPG, and you can make anything of your Shepard. If you don't like it, go play something like COD. (A shooter minus the RPG aspects.)

- The existing squadmembers have not said their sexual preferences, and thus can be anything. Because you sleep with someone of the opposite-sex, does not mean you're straight. (Personal experience.) Sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with personality, they will remain the EXACT same person you love.

- You guys are all freaking out over nothing, if anything, you have to really dig to get into a s/s romance...And that probably takes all but 1min out of 40+ hour experience. Are you really going to be that ignorant?

- Tali and Garrus got added as romances into the game because of fanbase, did that destroy your game? I didn't think so, and you can COMPLETELY avoid it.

- Alien sex is more accepting than same-sex? Really? In the real world, that's pretty sick. In the ME universe, both should be fine.

- BioWare is known to add s/s romances in their games. ME was the one of the only ones left out, but it doesn't mean they didn't try. In fact, they did, but because of time constraints, they had to remove it. (Though the audio files can still be found.) BW is just THAT awesome, and everyone love their games. Chill.

Modifié par SilentNukee, 19 mai 2011 - 10:53 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

TommyServo wrote...
Just for the record, Recon, did the inclusion of S/S romance in DA:O bother you also?

It's not something I support but that didn't really bother me. It was only Zevran and Lelina. You could shoot Zevran down right away or not even recruit him if you found him really obnoxious. He did make some rather humerous comments however.

What was more bothersome was the way the brothel operated. I expect more class in my brothels, as in they shouldn't presume my male Warden is into men or the unusual random option that finds you waking up in chains next to a nug. Minor quirk I guess.