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[Russalka]

Let's leave it. Everyone has a right for their very own opinion. The nature of homosexuality is off-topic as well.

[Inquisitor Recon]

ipgd wrote...
Not all opinions are created equal.

So I'm expected to respect your opinions but it's okay for you to disrespect mine? Yay for politically correct bass-ackwards culture.

[Black Raptor]

SarahAnne wrote...

thedaigakuinsei wrote...

Kabanya101 wrote...

I don't mind same sex romances, but lets keep the romances limited. In ME2, it seemed like everybody wanted a piece of Shep, even when you were just trying to be a nice guy. In ME3, lower the number of possibilities of romances, and make them more in depth, and meaningful like that of the first Mass Effect

Agreed.  Bioware is probably sensitive to both sides (inclusive without annoying straight guys who want to just play the game).  I have a feeling you'll have to go out of your way and actively pursue a s-s romance in ME3, and they'll probably make it painfully clear that YOU'RE ABOUT TO HIT ON A DUDE to strike a good balance of gamer desires/concerns.

Casey Hudson did say that the s/s romance will be available with how your Shepard acts around them within the game.  Which may indeed mean that your Shepard must actively pursue an s/s romance.  It would make sense.

That's been the case with all romances in ME. You have to choose them, not the other way around. 

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 19 mai 2011 - 11:59 .

[Black Raptor]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Not all opinions are created equal.

So I'm expected to respect your opinions but it's okay for you to disrespect mine? Yay for politically correct bass-ackwards culture.

Your "opinions" are akin to those who say other races are less equal. It's not a choice, so how can it be immoral?

[Erani]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
A "gay toggle" would be offensive in the same exact way to LGBT people/supporters.

And some people find homosexual acts offensive, or just don't like the idea of pre-existing characters being rewritten as bisexual. Saying "They're bigots" isn't a justification to avoid any sort of compromise like an option at the start of the game.

Some people claim to find interracial pairings offensive, or inter-species for that matter (alien-human).....Therefore, if a "race toggle" and "alien toggle" are implemented then why not a "gay toggle"? Sure, by all means.

[SarahAnne]

Black Raptor wrote...

SarahAnne wrote...

thedaigakuinsei wrote...

Kabanya101 wrote...

I don't mind same sex romances, but lets keep the romances limited. In ME2, it seemed like everybody wanted a piece of Shep, even when you were just trying to be a nice guy. In ME3, lower the number of possibilities of romances, and make them more in depth, and meaningful like that of the first Mass Effect

Agreed.  Bioware is probably sensitive to both sides (inclusive without annoying straight guys who want to just play the game).  I have a feeling you'll have to go out of your way and actively pursue a s-s romance in ME3, and they'll probably make it painfully clear that YOU'RE ABOUT TO HIT ON A DUDE to strike a good balance of gamer desires/concerns.

Casey Hudson did say that the s/s romance will be available with how your Shepard acts around them within the game.  Which may indeed mean that your Shepard must actively pursue an s/s romance.  It would make sense.

That's been the case with all romances in ME. You have to choose them, not the other way around. 

And I really liked that.  I wasn't particulary(sp?) fond of the fact that romances came too easily in the second game.  Especially Garrus'.  I would have really liked to work at getting the romance.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Black Raptor wrote...
Your "opinions" are akin to those who say other races are less equal. It's not a choice, so how can it be immoral?

Sexuality isn't even comparable to race. Pulling these comparisons out of your ass doesn't make it so. Not everybody even agrees it's not a choice and such a discussion is off limits anyway.

[ipgd]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
A "gay toggle" would be offensive in the same exact way to LGBT people/supporters.

And some people find homosexual acts offensive, or just don't like the idea of pre-existing characters being rewritten as bisexual. Saying "They're bigots" isn't a justification to avoid any sort of compromise like an option at the start of the game.

That's the problem. The compromise is inherently offensive. It legitimizes the concerns and opinions of people who find homosexuality to be objectional. It sends the message that "we think the opinion that homosexuality is offensive has value and is worth considering, and we are willing to accommodate those people".

The implementation of the toggle has so little affect on the game itself that its inclusion would be almost an entirely ideological one, hence the ideological objection. The current system works fine. If you don't want to have gay sex, don't.

[ipgd]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Not all opinions are created equal.

So I'm expected to respect your opinions but it's okay for you to disrespect mine? Yay for politically correct bass-ackwards culture.

No. You're free to disrespect my bad opinions, if I have any.

Some opinions are inherently ****ty. The opinion that homosexuality is wrong is one of them.

Modifié par ipgd, 19 mai 2011 - 11:35 .

[Black Raptor]

ReconTeam wrote...

Black Raptor wrote...
Your "opinions" are akin to those who say other races are less equal. It's not a choice, so how can it be immoral?

Sexuality isn't even comparable to race. Pulling these comparisons out of your ass doesn't make it so. Not everybody even agrees it's not a choice and such a discussion is off limits anyway.

Yes it is.
You don't choose your sexual orientation anymore than you choose your skin colour. It's genetic. It doesn't matter if someone disagrees with that fact due to some predetermined bias, it doesn't make it any less of a fact. 

[Russalka]

No person deserves to feel or called wrong due to something which he or she cannot help and isn't harmful to self or others.

Modifié par Russalka, 19 mai 2011 - 11:39 .

[Polliot]

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
*pic of my grandfather*

Why this assumption that every brothel has to be a run down dump? Where you think Wall Street CEOs go?

How about "home to their wives"? 

Seriously, if we're going to act all high and mighty about morals and how morally wrong this or that is, well, how about sex-for-money, infidelity, etc.? Doesn't seem like that moral outrage really extends to these areas. For what it's worth, I find those two things DEEPLY offensive in real life, and yet I'm not offended by the Blooming Rose or any other instance of brothels in video games that I've seen.

[MACharlie1]

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

The comparison was about  acceptance. I can apply the same to women. 

[Jademoon121]

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

Gay blacks may say otherwise....

[ipgd]

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?

why would someone who doesn't believe there's anything wrong with being gay think it's offensive to compare gay people to black people

[MACharlie1]

[quote]Siansonea II wrote...

[quote]ReconTeam wrote...

[quote]ipgd wrote...
*pic of my grandfather*
[/quote]

Why this assumption that every brothel has to be a run down dump? Where you think Wall Street CEOs go?
[/quote]
You'd be surprised at what Wall Street CEOs are into...

Not that I'd know or anything...

[JetsoverEverything]

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

yes i found it very insulting. why do they keep bringing my race into this discussion?

and since when was having a different sexual preference genetic???

[Russalka]

People are born gay.

[Black Raptor]

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

When did anyone ever say that? 
I mentioned the fact that being gay was due to genes, not choice. Just like skin colour, eye colour, gender etc

The list goes on. To decree that there is a right way to be born is unjustifiable. If any black person was insulted by my comment, then they probably deserved to be. 

[Erani]

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

WOW You just wrote a post that is offensive to people from both groups.

Stop with the off-topic. Let's discuss s/s in ME3, not if homosexuality is right or wrong or race or none of that. People got banned yesterday for the same crap.
Please, even if you disagree with another post, take the higher path and ignore them if their argument is off-topic.

[Black Raptor]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

yes i found it very insulting. why do they keep bringing my race into this discussion?

and since when was having a different sexual preference genetic???

Since forever... 

[MACharlie1]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

yes i found it very insulting. why do they keep bringing my race into this discussion?

and since when was having a different sexual preference genetic???

It's pretty much an accepted scientific fact that everyone's preference is biologically based. And there is ongoing research into it being genetic.

[Jademoon121]

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

yes i found it very insulting. why do they keep bringing my race into this discussion?

and since when was having a different sexual preference genetic???

Sexuality is innate, just like skin color. Gays can't make themselves like the opposite sex no matter how hard they try, just like how a "insert race here" can't change their skin color, hair type, etc.