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[ipgd]

paptschik wrote...

Because numerous times there has been the argument that "people change, they can become gay/bi"...how is one to think of that change?

That's not the argument. "Realizing they are gay/bi" is different from "becoming gay/bi". There are any number of reasons why someone might not realize, or want to accept, that they are gay/bi.

[thedaigakuinsei]

You really know what the "race/species/gender toggle is?" It's called the dialog wheel. The ability to romance Liara doesn't make Shepard a bi-speciosexualist.

[Siansonea]

If Gianna Parasini was the f/f option, should she be an m/f option also? What about somebody like Lizbeth Baynham?

[Jademoon121]

ReconTeam wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...
They already ARE accomodating the largest numbers of customers, or have you not played the last two games? And no one is going to be made bisexual, you're underestemating the power of quality writing.

Are you implying Bioware won't take the DA2 route, or that they will justify it with "they were bisexual the whole time"?

I don't know, I'm not Bioware. But if they want the Mass Effect series to go with a bang, they'll want a quality game. Romances included.

[Inquisitor Recon]

ipgd wrote...
It's up to Bioware to decide, but I know for a fact that this compromise would just offend the LGBT crowd and certainly not satisfy the anti-s/s  people, who will not be happy unless s/s entirely removed. So the change is pointless from a standpoint of ideological appeasement, since it would accomplish absolutely nothing for them other than to ****** pro-s/s people off, and from a functional standpoint, it's pointless as the possibility to turn down s/s romances already exists in the series as is.

We know nothing about how the s/s is going to be handled, so basing arguments on that is also pointless.

And here I am getting accused of generalizing all the time. <_<

[MACharlie1]

paptschik wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

JetsoverEverything wrote...

Polliot wrote...

Didn't you ever think that by comparing black people with gay people,you actually insult black people?
And I also think that sexuality is not comparable to race.

yes i found it very insulting. why do they keep bringing my race into this discussion?

and since when was having a different sexual preference genetic???

It's pretty much an accepted scientific fact that everyone's preference is biologically based. And there is ongoing research into it being genetic.

I'm so sorry for the off-topic, really, but I just want to know this now...how far does that go?
What I mean is, is the fact that I dig asians and bodypainting and funny skinned aliens and that I love Uma Thurman and what not....how much of that is biology?

For that matter, I love broccoli and hate tomatoes...is something like THAT genetic?

I'm no scientist - wrong person to ask. But there are plenty of other better replies. I believe someone else summed up the brain anatomy nicely where the sizes/hormonal whatchamagigs are different from heterosexual counterparts. I probably should stay away from anything involving medicine in my field of study. 

[ipgd]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
why would someone who doesn't believe there's anything wrong with being gay think it's offensive to compare gay people to black people

Many black individuals would find such a comparison offensive however. Guess they're all bigots too if they have moral objections to homosexuality, right?

Black individuals who have moral objections to homosexuality are also bigots, yes. Being part of a minority group does not exonerate you of being a bigot.

[The Uncanny]

Can we all avoid personal attacks and keep on topic about ME3 please everyone.

[Erani]

Siansonea II wrote...

 So, Centauri, how about that James Vega for m/m, sounds like he'll be hot stuff, amirite? 

I like that idea. My only issue would be that he doesn't have much history with Shepard compared to past squad members and I'm afraid the romance won't be as immersive but oh well...gotta trust BioWare.
I honestly think Joker would be a fine m/m option as well.

[PlumPaul93]

no offense to those who actually believe sexuality isn't a choice, but sexuality is a choice. I choose to be straight so I am. If I chose to be gay I would be.

[ipgd]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
It's up to Bioware to decide, but I know for a fact that this compromise would just offend the LGBT crowd and certainly not satisfy the anti-s/s  people, who will not be happy unless s/s entirely removed. So the change is pointless from a standpoint of ideological appeasement, since it would accomplish absolutely nothing for them other than to ****** pro-s/s people off, and from a functional standpoint, it's pointless as the possibility to turn down s/s romances already exists in the series as is.

We know nothing about how the s/s is going to be handled, so basing arguments on that is also pointless.

And here I am getting accused of generalizing all the time. <_<

Well, you wouldn't be. Let's not kid ourselves

[Jademoon121]

Erani wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

 So, Centauri, how about that James Vega for m/m, sounds like he'll be hot stuff, amirite? 

I like that idea. My only issue would be that he doesn't have much history with Shepard compared to past squad members and I'm afraid the romance won't be as immersive but oh well...gotta trust BioWare.
I honestly think Joker would be a fine m/m option as well.

Joker for sure. He has a beard.

[paptschik]

thatguy212 wrote...

I think something that most people here can agree on is that the same sex romance should be treated the same as any other romance, they shouldn't make a big deal about the fact that its two guy or two girls, its just two people that are attracted to each other just like the other romances

But that doesn't work. I mean...those that want this, make a big deal out of it. Logically. And since they do that, those that don't want it react, because it is made a big deal of. At the very least in this first for the series, there's no way to avoid the big-deal situation.

[Jademoon121]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

no offense to those who actually believe sexuality isn't a choice, but sexuality is a choice. I choose to be straight so I am. If I chose to be gay I would be.

Erm....I never chose to be bisexual, and I've never meet anyone in general who chose to be straight. Unless if you can get of  on m/m pr0n, you can't choose. Attractions are innate.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Black Raptor wrote...
The value of an opinion is supported by the strength of the argument supporting that viewpoint. Hence why your opinion is invalid. 

And the characters won't be bi. If you play as a male, then Miranda won't be having a relationship with a femshep. 

And I think your opinion is invalid for the same reasons. Such a discussion isn't even allowed.

Going along with this logic if you play as a male then is Kaiden or Garrus bisexual? If they are supposedly straight in a FemShep universe why can't they be straight in a MaleShep universe?

[paptschik]

Russalka wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Ignoring for the fact that I am in favor of s/s relationships in bioware games...which is it now?
Because numerous times there has been the argument that "people change, they can become gay/bi"...how is one to think of that change?
Are people born gay, but, for the lack of a better metaphor, it's like mutations in X-Men in that they're straight until one day BAM - they are gay?

This may sound silly and provocative, but, seriously...as someone that doesn't know gay people, I just don't know how this would work and would like to know.

I'll reply to this and the other post raising this question.

The "people change" argument was weak to me. But people can show other sexual tendencies later in life, which I guess has either been supressed by demands from the society or other factors. People are raised in the way some people think they are supposed to feel. But it can be anything, some people just haven't the proper sexual education to truly know what they want. Some people supress it without knowing. There are many possiblities.

Some turn out to be bisexual, others discover they have never been truly attracted to the opposite gender or even maybe same gender. Some are just asexual.

And the homosexuality curing some Christian groups are advocating do not work. They bring much grief to the people there and there are rather famous cases of prominent supporters turning out to be just pretending.

But this is off-topic. Sorru.

Thanks for the answer.

[MACharlie1]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

no offense to those who actually believe sexuality isn't a choice, but sexuality is a choice. I choose to be straight so I am. If I chose to be gay I would be.

Wow. A lot of homosexuals are envying you right now. 

[Black Raptor]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

no offense to those who actually believe sexuality isn't a choice, but sexuality is a choice. I choose to be straight so I am. If I chose to be gay I would be.

Wrong.
If it were a choice then why would people choose to be gay when it just means (or used to in some more forward thinking areas) that they get persecuted and discriminated against? 

It isn't a choice. You couldn't make yourself gay. You don't choose the gender you're attracted too. 

[Inquisitor Recon]

ipgd wrote...
Black individuals who have moral objections to homosexuality are also bigots, yes. Being part of a minority group does not exonerate you of being a bigot.

Wrong. Neither a black or white individual is a bigot for having moral objections to homosexuality. That is simply more insane "politically correct" BS which seeks to demonize everybody who isn't "accepting" enough.

[ipgd]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

no offense to those who actually believe sexuality isn't a choice, but sexuality is a choice. I choose to be straight so I am. If I chose to be gay I would be.

Honey, if you can choose to be attracted to men and have sex with men and like it, I have news for you.

[Black Raptor]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

no offense to those who actually believe sexuality isn't a choice, but sexuality is a choice. I choose to be straight so I am. If I chose to be gay I would be.

Wrong.
If it were a choice then why would people choose to be gay when it just means (or used to in some more forward thinking areas) that they get persecuted and discriminated against? 

It isn't a choice. You couldn't make yourself gay. You don't choose the gender you're attracted too. 

[Erani]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Erani wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

 So, Centauri, how about that James Vega for m/m, sounds like he'll be hot stuff, amirite? 

I like that idea. My only issue would be that he doesn't have much history with Shepard compared to past squad members and I'm afraid the romance won't be as immersive but oh well...gotta trust BioWare.
I honestly think Joker would be a fine m/m option as well.

Joker for sure. He has a beard.

As for Gianna, I feel like there's so many LIs from the two previous games that any new LIs should be made s/s only. I know it's a big hope, and that it takes resources to develop a romance, but there's plenty of straight only romances so having, let's say Gianna be f/f only or Joker be m/m only would be fair enough. I'm not talking about squad members, like maybe James Vega is bi instead of gay LI, I'm talking about minor characters as LIs with not as big a role in the game. Then, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to make then s/s only since they don't have as much content. 

[Centauri2002]

Siansonea II wrote...

 So, Centauri, how about that James Vega for m/m, sounds like he'll be hot stuff, amirite? 

Ahaha, if that's your kind of thing I'm sure he is! I'm rather curious as to what he'll look like though. Any ideas? 

[MACharlie1]

ReconTeam wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Black individuals who have moral objections to homosexuality are also bigots, yes. Being part of a minority group does not exonerate you of being a bigot.

Wrong. Neither a black or white individual is a bigot for having moral objections to homosexuality. That is simply more insane "politically correct" BS which seeks to demonize everybody who isn't "accepting" enough.

Still dying to know why it's morally wrong here. Just sayin...