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[TheMarshal]

Abispa wrote...

Has Bioware indicated if the Kelly "romance" will be recongized in ME3? I'm curious to see what happens when frustrated VS lovers who allowed themselves a fling are forced to face the consequences of their actions. Of course, I get the feeling that Kelly isn't one for monogamy anyway.

I'll admit I haven't been keeping my ear to the ground on this one, since I never did the 'Kelly-mance'.  I imagine they track it, at the very least.  Whether they'll use it or not is up in the air.  She hasn't even been confirmed to show up in ME3 at any rate.  Not to mention she might be dead...

Speaking of which...  Your ME2 LI could be dead in ME3.  How will 'cheating' Sheps be handled in that regard?  Some snark on Ashley/Kaidan's part about 'good riddance'?  Something a little more understanding?

[Lotto]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think at this point having the thread locked wouldn't be a bad thing. The pointless bickering is getting out of hand. Even those of you who I know are reasonable and nice people are involving yourselves in this. Please, just leave the real world opinions out of it. Let's concentrate on how we can foresee enjoying ME3 more instead.

Considering that we did actually get agreements on a better worded dialog wheel, possible coloured text highlights and that the writing be handled well whatever the final call is, that's been it for about coming up with concrete ideas for implimentation.

In the limited sane moments between the off-topic mayhem, we've concluded that most will be okay with same sex romances if there is no chance of ninjamancing. Also, the option of having colour coded dialogue is fairly well accepted as well. Dialogue definitely needs to be clear, yep. 

People seem fairly split on whether same sex romances should be limited to new characters or not. Although there has been no outright demands for existing characters to become availble but there are requests for it. I think we're also in agreement that the entire cast should not be bisexual.

From what I've seen, that's all that's been agreed upon.

This. I don't want them hitting on me unless I've hit on them. That makes it for no anders moment or romancing them on accident. It also keeps them acting the way they have always acted, and keeps my viewpoint of the character in tact.

No. Please god no. We don't need a flirt option like DA2 had.  

If you're really afraid you'll flirt by accident, just don't pick the blue dialogue.

[Erani]

TheMarshal wrote...

Erani wrote...

Yes. Also, it'd be cool if we could go to our best friend for advice, like Garrus or Tali, and they'd be like "Shepard, I agree with Liara on this one, how could you do that to her?" LOL

....and I want my straight/gay/bi romance to reside in my quarters permanently.

.....and smooth Vega, none of that creepy chest hair people. 

I can see the elevator rides now...

*silence*
Tali: Cheater says what?
Shepard: What?
Tali: That's right...
Shepard: Damnit Tali!

And yeah, LI being in the Captain's Quarters (or available to go to the Captain's Quarters at a moment's notice) would be nice.

:lol:

And if LIs can go to your quarters at night or whenever, I'd like to have the "make out" or "sleep" (as in closing eyes sleep) interaction instead of just "chillin'inbed"

[paptschik]

TheMarshal wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Shaved. EVERYWHERE, baby! Woooo!

Which is sexier?
1. Chest Hair
2. Chest Stubble

As a hairy man I have to say...stubble anywhere except the face is horrible. Even in the face it can be a bit annoying, but nothing like below that. I to shave my stomach and lower chest for a surgery recently and...god, no. It sucks sucks sucks. Also looks weird.

[Jademoon121]

paptschik wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Erani wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Chest hair on Vega.

Yes/no

Yes 

Light treasure trails. I don't want him looking like a bear personally. 

Bears 

Bears are sexy....but at a distance....like the distance from my tv to the bed or....off topic.

Anyways, I prefer my girls and boys w/o weird chest hair, so I'm gonna go ahead and say NO to C.H on Vega.

And I was hoping he'd look like Jack Black or something.....

Eddie Riggs for ME3!
EA, make it happen!

HELL YES!
Who needs the Mako when you've got a metal god to carry you around on a planet of hot lave shooting lighting at his enemies with a guitar solo?
.......
I am on my knees Bioware.

[paptschik]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Chest hair on Vega.

Yes/no

If we are going to have any sort of chest hair we might as well finally get our Varric-mance on!

Varric romances for ME3, damn the logic!

If we finally get some dwarf love, I want my Sigrun romance, damn it!

[Erani]

^ Eddie Riggs for m/m option! Woot!!!!

@Marshal, also, Shepard could be like "Well Kaidan, I was dead for 2 years, then I come back and you reject me on Horizon.....I felt alone and sad so, like I tried to move on you know?":unsure:

Modifié par Erani, 20 mai 2011 - 12:50 .

[Siansonea]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Can I ask you S/S fanatics this? Will you be appeased if 1-4 characters were made romanceable by the same sex or will you guys still whine like your being oppresed or not given enough options?

You mean the way the anti-gay people are whining because these options finally ARE being included? As a supporter of same-sex content, one could even say "fanatic", since, well, I'm posting HERE aren't I, I would say "any is better than none, more is always better than one". Others might not though. You'll probably get a different answer from each of us. But thanks for giving me something on-topic to respond to, even if your tone is...well, let's just say that I would use a phrase other than "you S/S fanatics" to describe the group that supports this inclusion.

No hostility in my question but infer what you will. Hopefully people will be happy with the options they will get, but like there is for everything I'm sure some will be mad at some things.

Just so you know, referring to people as "fanatics" can be construed as hostility. If that's not your intent, I would suggest avoiding that term. 

I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with the options, and I'm sure many will be disappointed that other options were included, but I'm pretty sure all of us are pleased simply to have options. For me personally, I like to play as many different character types as the game allows, and romance options are an easy way to differentiate my various characters. When I created my "canon" Shepards, I decided to play one of each class, with three males and three females. I wanted one of each gender to be really Paragon, and one of each gender to be really Renegade, with the other two being more neutral. I also wanted one of each gender to be gay or bisexual. I also wanted to give each of them a fun twist to their personality.

My Vanguard is my Boy Scout Paragon Busybody, who fixes everybody's problems and does everything by the book, but my Paragon female Adept is more of a "spirit of the law" type of person who will do a Renegade interrupt or two in the midst of combat (like shoot a LOKI mech through a scope, for crying out loud). They both romanced Liara, but their stories are very different.

My two Renegades are my female Soldier and my male Infiltrator, and I made her much more direct and abrasive, as befits a tank, and him more sneaky and manipulative. She is literally a psychopath, while he is merely a jerkwad. They both had m/f relationships in both games, and they both cheated on their ME1 LIs, Kaidan and Ashley, with Jacob and Jack (and Jacob later was KIA).

My two neutral characters are my female Engineer and my male Sentinel. My female Engineer is just a gearhead, she is kind of clueless about how to talk to people, and she almost never uses interrupts because such things require quick thinking—something she's not good at being so analytical. She romanced Kaidan, but didn't romance anyone in the second game because she was too focused on other things. My Sentinel is my gay Shepard, who is cordial with people, but holds himself back, doesn't let them get too close. He's a well-rounded guy, being a biotics and tech expert, and just tries to get the job done with as little fuss as possible. He didn't romance anybody, it didn't seem like anybody was interested. So he keeps to himself. So far, anyway...

I love that BioWare gave me the options to create such distinct characters, and I'm glad that now my Sentinel will have a romance option. I've really enjoyed the first two games and look forward to ME3 quite a bit.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 20 mai 2011 - 12:50 .

[M-Sinistrari]

Placeholder1 wrote...

SarahAnne wrote...

Davian1980 wrote...

It's weird though. I don't have anything against BW including same sex romance as long as it's a new character but I find the thought of them changing old characters for that a bit... meeh. And now for those of you saying "Just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they're not"... well just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they are.

And here's another thing. Why should I, who plays as a straight Shepard who will not ever swing that way, even have to see the option to start a same sex romance? I mean my Shepard's not like that so why should it even be a dialogue option for me?

I concur.  I always play a straight female Shepard and I didn't like the fact that I have to go out of my way avoid a romance with Liara in ME1.  And I didn't like the fact that some characters assumed that my female Shepard is into other women whenever she does something.  

I don't care that Bioware decided to have s/s relationships available, but there should be option to have those dialogue options removed.  

The way I see it Bioware has four options available ranked in order of personal preference

1. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game but leave older characters unchanged (most preferable)
2. Change some older characters in addition to adding new bisexual/homosexual love interests, but add flag or setting allowing older characters to remain unchanged but leaving newer characters romance enabled.
3. Same as option 2 except also disabling new character romances/changing them to straight
4. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game and alter some or all existing characters (least preferable) 

Most workable options I see without sending anyone ballistically through the roof are options 1 and 2.  The other ones would be an exploding powderkeg.

[Black Raptor]

Placeholder1 wrote...


The way I see it Bioware has four options available ranked in order of personal preference

1. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game but leave older characters unchanged (most preferable)
2. Change some older characters in addition to adding new bisexual/homosexual love interests, but add flag or setting allowing older characters to remain unchanged but leaving newer characters romance enabled.
3. Same as option 2 except also disabling new character romances/changing them to straight
4. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game and alter some or all existing characters (least preferable) 

I would've thought that 3 would be least preferable. 

Here is what I don't get though. If you are playing as a straight femshep, then no matter what you do, Kaiden can't be gay. 
If option 3 or 4 turns out to be true, then he is only gay if you initiat a romance with him as a male shep. I don't see how having that option would make him bi for a femshep or gay for someone who never tries to romance him. 
Your choices makes the story. Different choices, different story. 

[PlumPaul93]

Lotto wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

centauri2002 wrote...

I think at this point having the thread locked wouldn't be a bad thing. The pointless bickering is getting out of hand. Even those of you who I know are reasonable and nice people are involving yourselves in this. Please, just leave the real world opinions out of it. Let's concentrate on how we can foresee enjoying ME3 more instead.

Considering that we did actually get agreements on a better worded dialog wheel, possible coloured text highlights and that the writing be handled well whatever the final call is, that's been it for about coming up with concrete ideas for implimentation.

In the limited sane moments between the off-topic mayhem, we've concluded that most will be okay with same sex romances if there is no chance of ninjamancing. Also, the option of having colour coded dialogue is fairly well accepted as well. Dialogue definitely needs to be clear, yep. 

People seem fairly split on whether same sex romances should be limited to new characters or not. Although there has been no outright demands for existing characters to become availble but there are requests for it. I think we're also in agreement that the entire cast should not be bisexual.

From what I've seen, that's all that's been agreed upon.

This. I don't want them hitting on me unless I've hit on them. That makes it for no anders moment or romancing them on accident. It also keeps them acting the way they have always acted, and keeps my viewpoint of the character in tact.

No. Please god no. We don't need a flirt option like DA2 had.  

If you're really afraid you'll flirt by accident, just don't pick the blue dialogue.

being paragon though shouldn't make you start a romance straight or gay. At the very least you should be able to be a bro with for example garrus (picking paragon options), and not be afraid that you'll end up being in a romance.

[paptschik]

TheMarshal wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Hmm, that depends. Are we talking about Krogans, humans, or just Tali?

Oh my god...  Chest hair on Tali would make me laugh and cry SO HARD!

Please no hair on Tali!
Scales on the other hand....

Seriously though, I certainly wouldn't mind quarians to be 100% hairless, head to toe.

[Jademoon121]

paptschik wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Shaved. EVERYWHERE, baby! Woooo!

Which is sexier?
1. Chest Hair
2. Chest Stubble

As a hairy man I have to say...stubble anywhere except the face is horrible. Even in the face it can be a bit annoying, but nothing like below that. I to shave my stomach and lower chest for a surgery recently and...god, no. It sucks sucks sucks. Also looks weird.

That's why I don't shave, plus....

1) I have no bodyfat so I need as much insulation as possible.
2) A few days of smoothness turning into a week of itchyness isn't good or worth it...at all.
3) I believe in the carpet of virility.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 20 mai 2011 - 12:51 .

[Abispa]

ipgd wrote...

paptschik wrote...

But Zaeed already was in ME2.

Manlier than Zaeed.

I want them to feel their testicles shrinking when they look at him.

In ME3 we discover that Vido shot Zaeed TWICE! Once in the head and...

SHEPARD: You remained sexually functional after being shot in your junk?

ZAEED: Yeah. And YOU survived having sex with a plucked chicken with bucket on her head. A horny enough man can survive just about anything. Rage is a hell of an aphrodisiac.

Modifié par Abispa, 20 mai 2011 - 12:50 .

[Ryzaki]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Don't get me started on some Spanish cultures. I've had friends whose fathers who were angry that their sons hadn't lost their virginity yet....at like 8 years old.

 

O_o 

That's...kind of...wow. 

Jademoon121 wrote...
Nah, that's more of a national attitude of "Crying in public makes you a **** manlady." But I personally just don't like crying in public, even though the idea that crying=wimp makes no logical sense and does more harm than good.

I don't like crying in public because I always freeze when someone's crying. Don't know what to do or say and then this awkwardness just sets in. 

[Jademoon121]

Yeah, Shepherd should initiate the romance via flirting. No ninjamances please.

[paptschik]

ipgd wrote...

paptschik wrote...

But Zaeed already was in ME2.

Manlier than Zaeed.

I want them to feel their testicles shrinking when they look at him.

So Mike Haggar it is.

[Erani]

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Placeholder1 wrote...

SarahAnne wrote...

Davian1980 wrote...

It's weird though. I don't have anything against BW including same sex romance as long as it's a new character but I find the thought of them changing old characters for that a bit... meeh. And now for those of you saying "Just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they're not"... well just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they are.

And here's another thing. Why should I, who plays as a straight Shepard who will not ever swing that way, even have to see the option to start a same sex romance? I mean my Shepard's not like that so why should it even be a dialogue option for me?

I concur.  I always play a straight female Shepard and I didn't like the fact that I have to go out of my way avoid a romance with Liara in ME1.  And I didn't like the fact that some characters assumed that my female Shepard is into other women whenever she does something.  

I don't care that Bioware decided to have s/s relationships available, but there should be option to have those dialogue options removed.  

The way I see it Bioware has four options available ranked in order of personal preference

1. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game but leave older characters unchanged (most preferable)
2. Change some older characters in addition to adding new bisexual/homosexual love interests, but add flag or setting allowing older characters to remain unchanged but leaving newer characters romance enabled.
3. Same as option 2 except also disabling new character romances/changing them to straight
4. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game and alter some or all existing characters (least preferable) 

Most workable options I see without sending anyone ballistically through the roof are options 1 and 2.  The other ones would be an exploding powderkeg.

Yes, I agree with 1 and 2. I'd prefer #2.<3

[highcastle]

@lotto: Is it weird that when you said don't pick the blue dialogue, all I could think was don't eat the yellow snow?

That being said, I support flirt indicators in ME3. They worked perfectly in DA2. Gone were the days of accidentally romancing Leliana or Ashley just because I didn't want to be a jerk to them.

[Jademoon121]

Ryzaki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Don't get me started on some Spanish cultures. I've had friends whose fathers who were angry that their sons hadn't lost their virginity yet....at like 8 years old.

 

O_o 

That's...kind of...wow. 

Jademoon121 wrote...
Nah, that's more of a national attitude of "Crying in public makes you a **** manlady." But I personally just don't like crying in public, even though the idea that crying=wimp makes no logical sense and does more harm than good.

I don't like crying in public because I always freeze when someone's crying. Don't know what to do or say and then this awkwardness just sets in. 

Agreed. You want to do something, but you just go like stone. I wonder why.

[paptschik]

Abispa wrote...

Has Bioware indicated if the Kelly "romance" will be recongized in ME3? I'm curious to see what happens when frustrated VS lovers who allowed themselves a fling are forced to face the consequences of their actions. Of course, I get the feeling that Kelly isn't one for monogamy anyway.

To Bioware:
Fully developed Kelly romance, please, k, thanx.

[Jademoon121]

Erani wrote...

M-Sinistrari wrote...

Placeholder1 wrote...

SarahAnne wrote...

Davian1980 wrote...

It's weird though. I don't have anything against BW including same sex romance as long as it's a new character but I find the thought of them changing old characters for that a bit... meeh. And now for those of you saying "Just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they're not"... well just because they haven't mentioned it doesn't mean they are.

And here's another thing. Why should I, who plays as a straight Shepard who will not ever swing that way, even have to see the option to start a same sex romance? I mean my Shepard's not like that so why should it even be a dialogue option for me?

I concur.  I always play a straight female Shepard and I didn't like the fact that I have to go out of my way avoid a romance with Liara in ME1.  And I didn't like the fact that some characters assumed that my female Shepard is into other women whenever she does something.  

I don't care that Bioware decided to have s/s relationships available, but there should be option to have those dialogue options removed.  

The way I see it Bioware has four options available ranked in order of personal preference

1. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game but leave older characters unchanged (most preferable)
2. Change some older characters in addition to adding new bisexual/homosexual love interests, but add flag or setting allowing older characters to remain unchanged but leaving newer characters romance enabled.
3. Same as option 2 except also disabling new character romances/changing them to straight
4. Add new bisexual/homosexual love interests to the game and alter some or all existing characters (least preferable) 

Most workable options I see without sending anyone ballistically through the roof are options 1 and 2.  The other ones would be an exploding powderkeg.

Yes, I agree with 1 and 2. I'd prefer #2.<3

2 or 4.

[Black Raptor]

I hope the Kelly romance is just a secret fling otherwise I'm going to have to completely remake my cannon shep

[MACharlie1]

paptschik wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Has Bioware indicated if the Kelly "romance" will be recongized in ME3? I'm curious to see what happens when frustrated VS lovers who allowed themselves a fling are forced to face the consequences of their actions. Of course, I get the feeling that Kelly isn't one for monogamy anyway.

To Bioware:
Fully developed Kelly romance, please, k, thanx.

Cerberus Assassin....:innocent: