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[Clonedzero]

oh please, anders becoming bi wasnt even the worst retcon for his character.

they completely ruined Anders in DA2 by making absolutely NOTHING like his DA:O:A counterpart. he has a completely and i mean COMPLETELY different personality. his attitude is different. his perspective is different.

anders suddenly becoming bi is only a footnote in the long list of horrible retcons and bad choices they made when implementing him into DA2. his change in sexuality isnt even worth mentioning when talking about why anders as a character was ruined in DA2.

[Insom]

Really hope they announce soon that only the new squad members will be bi or gay, that way everyone can calm down and not see their favorite characters butchered.

[Burneye Is God]

javierabegazo wrote...

Same Sex Romances confirmed for ME3 by Casey Hudson, executive Producer of Mass Effect
http://twitter.com/#...833443067969536



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This is a thread for the discussion of Same Sex Romance, which was just confirmed to be supported in Mass Effect 3.

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Now, some starter questions.

Do you feel this opens up the Role Playing options available to players?

What new characters might we expect to be available for such romances?

[*]whilst i'd be for it, i thought there was no new love intersts in mass effect 3?

[Ryzaki]

Clonedzero wrote...

oh please, anders becoming bi wasnt even the worst retcon for his character.

they completely ruined Anders in DA2 by making absolutely NOTHING like his DA:O:A counterpart. he has a completely and i mean COMPLETELY different personality. his attitude is different. his perspective is different.

anders suddenly becoming bi is only a footnote in the long list of horrible retcons and bad choices they made when implementing him into DA2. his change in sexuality isnt even worth mentioning when talking about why anders as a character was ruined in DA2.

...I don't even know why I bother anymore *sighs*. 

Nothing in Awakening says Anders is fully straight .He's not even romanceble. He brushes off all the FWC's advances. 

But apparently while one is straight by default one has to jump around screaming with a "I'm bisexual!" sign.  Otherwise they're being retconned. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 02:46 .

[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Wait, really?

Yup.

So you're saying after playing this game for over a year, 12 Shepard's and 20+playthrough's I though that Jacob had a son and I actually misunderstood it and he's actually only child?

[bluuberg]

nelly21 wrote...

blue.o7 wrote...

*still hasn't seen any sort of sane reason as to why Garrus couldn't be a bi Love Interest*

Never showing any interest and past interest in females aren't sane enough for you?

He never showed any interest in femshep either till ME2 and if had been permitted by devs could have easily worked both ways for manshep too. And an interest in females does not mean he can't have an interest in males. This is how the whole bi thing works you know.

Also, in general, this whole "Bro" business is crap, some of the best relationships form from good friendships. Manshep has known Garrus for 2 games now, things are coming to a climax, tension is building. Confessions are there just waiting to be made.

But whatever, either way we are all wasting our words until who exactly is going to be involved in these S/S relationships is revealed.

[nelly21]

Ryzaki wrote...
 
No. See the above. 

A prequiste of being bisexual is being attracted to women. 

Liking women doesn't not always mean one only likes women. 

You're right. Except that a promiscuous person will not become introverted with a sex they are attracted to. Isabella is promiscuous and she is the same with both sexes.

Anders only shows interest in women throughout Awakening. All his comments are about women. In DA 2, all of a sudden, he's open about men too. I don't care if he's gay, bi or straight. I just want consistency in characters. I'm sorry, but his bisexuality came from the frikin upper deck of left field. 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
They are irrational.
Only thing that they can say for defending Garrus suddenly becoming bi in ME3 is that he never actually said that he wasn't.
But we know he was with a woman,can be with Fem Shep,but not with male one nor did he ever show the slightest interest in him and acts all bro-like and some of his lines strongly suggest that he is straight. Same goes for many other characters. So there is absolutely no reason to assume he is bisexual,but there are many reasons to assume he is straight. But that is not enough for them,and the best they can do is "since when are you expert on bisexual relationships?". Well I'm no expert but I can apply basic logics,unlike some people here.

Basic logic:

Point 1: Straight people have relationships with the opposite gender.
Point 2: Bisexual people have relationships with the opposite gender and the same gender.
Point 3: Garrus has had relationships with the opposite gender.
Point 4: Garrus potentially fits into both categories, as we have no real evidence of him not being interested in men.

You can assume all you want that not romancing ME2 dudeShep makes him straight, but that is entirely your own assumption.  Because Garrus doesn't show any interest in female Shepard either until you directly pursue his romance, and he didn't express any interest in anyone in ME1.

It's all very simple and logical.

[ElitePinecone]

Burneye Is God wrote...

[*]
[*]whilst i'd be for it, i thought there was no new love intersts in mass effect 3?

I'm explaining this for literally the fourth time tonight. I have no idea how the 'no new LIs' thing spread so damn quickly.

That interview was a month ago, before the decision to delay ME3/change the romances was made. So yes, there will be new LIs. Some of them may have s/s romances. There may also be s/s romances with old chararcters. We don't know. We don't even know if the romances are with squadmates. 

[Chewin]

Mesina2 wrote...
So you're saying after playing this game for over a year, 12 Shepard's and 20+playthrough's I though that Jacob had a son and I actually misunderstood it and he's actually only child?

Check my previous post. I edited it with a link.

[DaeJi]

Many great romances are about people discovering that they fell in love with someone without even realizing it. Not one love interest in the Mass Effect series is immune to that.Given BioWare's track record, any love story using either previous or new love interests should be good.

Modifié par DaeJi, 16 mai 2011 - 02:50 .

[HopHazzard]

BrandNewMan wrote...

1. Who's VS?
2. If you don't romance anyone in ME1, whats the start of ME2 like? Who comes up to you in the beginning?

VS=Virmire Survivor

If you don't romance anyone in ME1, the VS comes up to you at the beginning.

[Khayness]

Mesina2 wrote...

Oh did I ever mention that I HATE Anders bisexuality? It just came out of f*cking nowhere.

That's what you get if you are being politically correct for the sake of being politically correct, and not change things because you want the story to be told that way.

I fear this will be the case again. It's like the new Star Trek reboot episode will feature a bi Captain Kirk, because this is the new trend.

[Ryzaki]

nelly21 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
 
No. See the above. 

A prequiste of being bisexual is being attracted to women. 

Liking women doesn't not always mean one only likes women. 

You're right. Except that a promiscuous person will not become introverted with a sex they are attracted to. Isabella is promiscuous and she is the same with both sexes.

Anders only shows interest in women throughout Awakening. All his comments are about women. In DA 2, all of a sudden, he's open about men too. I don't care if he's gay, bi or straight. I just want consistency in characters. I'm sorry, but his bisexuality came from the frikin upper deck of left field. 

And how many males were there around that Anders could flirt with that wasn't the WC? Hm? Nate? There was that not when I'm naked comment. Justice? He's a rotting corpse. He and Oghren can't stand one another. 

Isabela is ridculously overt. 

Anders only shows interest in 2 women in Awakening (the elf that he knew for a long time and Velanna). His what? 4 or 5 lines about females being attractive? Yet again being attracted to women is a prequisite for bisexuality. And Anders isn't open about Hawke because he's a man. He's open about it to Hawke because he's vulnerable and is taking a risk and Hawke is being uber nice and understanding. (You'll notice if you're snarky/aggressive he will not hit on Hawke.) And truth be told there was no males there for him to flirt with other than Nathaniel and Nate wasn't the type. 

Bisexual men don't feel the need to hit on everyone they see. Neither does Isabela. Maybe...just maybe Nate wasn't Anders' type. 

So no his bisexuality didn't come out of nowhere. You just assumed he wasn't and was wrong. It happens. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 mai 2011 - 02:58 .

[Clonedzero]

Ryzaki wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

oh please, anders becoming bi wasnt even the worst retcon for his character.

they completely ruined Anders in DA2 by making absolutely NOTHING like his DA:O:A counterpart. he has a completely and i mean COMPLETELY different personality. his attitude is different. his perspective is different.

anders suddenly becoming bi is only a footnote in the long list of horrible retcons and bad choices they made when implementing him into DA2. his change in sexuality isnt even worth mentioning when talking about why anders as a character was ruined in DA2.

...I don't even know why I bother anymore *sighs*. 

Nothing in Awakening says Anders is fully straight .He's not even romanceble. He brushes off all the FWC's advances. 

But apparently while one is straight by default one has to jump around screaming with a "I'm bisexual!" sign.  Otherwise they're being retconned. 

wow way to completely ignore the entire point of my post rofl.

my point was that anders unsuspectingly ending up bi isnt the weirdest thing they did to his character. personally i dont see it as a big deal or care. everything else they did to COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY ruin his character is what bothers me about anders.

they took the funny, goofy, light-hearted anders and turned him into a creepy, brooding, socipathic, obsessive terrorist.

[TheChris92]

Mesina2 wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

1. Who's VS?
2. If you don't romance anyone in ME1, whats the start of ME2 like? Who comes up to you in the beginning?

1. Virmire Survivor
2. Whichever VS survived.

Or Liara. If you romanced her, that is.

Yes, but that wasn't his question.

[Ashira Shepard]

DaeJi wrote...

Many great romances are about people discovering that they fell in love with someone without even realizing it. Not one love interest in the Mass Effect series is immune to that.Given BioWare's track record, any love story using either previous or new love interests should be good.

You're just wonderful you know that? 

[Ryzaki]

Clonedzero wrote...
wow way to completely ignore the entire point of my post rofl.

my point was that anders unsuspectingly ending up bi isnt the weirdest thing they did to his character. personally i dont see it as a big deal or care. everything else they did to COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY ruin his character is what bothers me about anders.

they took the funny, goofy, light-hearted anders and turned him into a creepy, brooding, socipathic, obsessive terrorist.

I actually agree about the retconning. I just disagree with the THEY MADE HIM BISEXUAL! cries. 

He was always bisexual. People assuming he wasn't was just that. An wrong assumption. 

[Cootie]

nelly21 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
 
No. See the above. 

A prequiste of being bisexual is being attracted to women. 

Liking women doesn't not always mean one only likes women. 

You're right. Except that a promiscuous person will not become introverted with a sex they are attracted to. Isabella is promiscuous and she is the same with both sexes.

Anders only shows interest in women throughout Awakening. All his comments are about women. In DA 2, all of a sudden, he's open about men too. I don't care if he's gay, bi or straight. I just want consistency in characters. I'm sorry, but his bisexuality came from the frikin upper deck of left field. 

I, for one, am very curious as to why his sudden supposed switch in sexuality is an issue. It's hardly important, in my opinion, and something you should just go "Oh, I didn't know that, cool" at.
Not throw a fit akin to "AMAGAWD THEY EXPLAINED THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE I WASN'T TOLD AND I ONLY HAD MY 
HUNCHES TO GO ON THE CHARACTER IS RUINED!"

One would think the rest of the supposed alteration in character would attract the most attention, not his sexual preference. Besides, having another personality inside your head might influence, you know, personality traits.
I just think, personally, that a lot of these protests are childish and I am quite flabbergasted at how important sexual preferences are to your continued friendship with a fictional character.
It's a generalised You, by the by. Not You specifically.

Modifié par Cootie, 16 mai 2011 - 02:53 .

[ElitePinecone]

Khayness wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Oh did I ever mention that I HATE Anders bisexuality? It just came out of f*cking nowhere.

That's what you get if you are being politically correct for the sake of being politically correct, and not change things because you want the story to be told that way.

I fear this will be the case again. It's like the new Star Trek reboot episode will feature a bi Captain Kirk, because this is the new trend.

You're seriously doubting Bioware's commitment to good storytelling.

They don't do these things lightly. Why not try being positive and happy for the people who have more options?

Or are you seriously so personally affected by an optional romance in a 40-hour game, in a 120-hour arc, that you can ignore entirely? 

[Clonedzero]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
They are irrational.
Only thing that they can say for defending Garrus suddenly becoming bi in ME3 is that he never actually said that he wasn't.
But we know he was with a woman,can be with Fem Shep,but not with male one nor did he ever show the slightest interest in him and acts all bro-like and some of his lines strongly suggest that he is straight. Same goes for many other characters. So there is absolutely no reason to assume he is bisexual,but there are many reasons to assume he is straight. But that is not enough for them,and the best they can do is "since when are you expert on bisexual relationships?". Well I'm no expert but I can apply basic logics,unlike some people here.

Basic logic:

Point 1: Straight people have relationships with the opposite gender.
Point 2: Bisexual people have relationships with the opposite gender and the same gender.
Point 3: Garrus has had relationships with the opposite gender.
Point 4: Garrus potentially fits into both categories, as we have no real evidence of him not being interested in men.

You can assume all you want that not romancing ME2 dudeShep makes him straight, but that is entirely your own assumption.  Because Garrus doesn't show any interest in female Shepard either until you directly pursue his romance, and he didn't express any interest in anyone in ME1.

It's all very simple and logical.

again. my arguement isnt that its not possible.
its that it'd feel very forced, awkward, and would end up being poorly written and regarded as a bad romance by a vast majority of the fans.

it could happen sure. it'd just be really poorly written and absolutely feel like forced fanservice.

and i'd actually love some compelling reasons for a bi relationship to form OTHER than "well they never said they werent bi" because again. WORST REASON EVER.

[ElitePinecone]

@ClonedZero - I actually agree about Anders, but part of his character/perspective change was the influence of Justice and the lengths to which obsessiveness over the fate of mages had driven him. Part of the reason the drama worked so well was that we all knew Anders as a light-hearted, goofy companion, and suddenly he was transformed into a vengeful, brooding, take-no-prisoners ideologue. It only reinforced the seriousness of this conflict in Kirkwall and the human toll it was taking on the participants.

That's getting off-topic. I don't see his bisexuality as an issue, given its explanation in DA2. The implementation was a little off - some people didn't like being hit on - and that's a reasonable concern.

[Jebel Krong]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Maybe ME3 should start with a crew-wide orgy. Kelly can bring her pet varren. I'll be down in engineering trying to figure out how to set the Normandy to self-destruct.

If ME3 goes the way of DA2, where everyone is a bi-sexual and every second dialogue option has a heart next to it, I'll have considered Bioware to have jumped the shark. I wouldn't mind a couple love interests (s/s or hetero, I don't care) but having a dozen of them running around all hitting on you would make me want to kill off my crew at the earliest opportunity.

this. the floodgates have been opened and i see no-one being happy with whatever BW does from here on out w-romances. you'd think the game was a dating sim from threads like this.

[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
So you're saying after playing this game for over a year, 12 Shepard's and 20+playthrough's I though that Jacob had a son and I actually misunderstood it and he's actually only child?

Check my previous post. I edited it with a link.

Can someone put facepalm picture on my post?
I deserve even worse.